Bible Discussion Thread

Why is Cain not listed under Adam's lineage?

There were many sons and daughters of Adam whose names are not given.

Gen. 5

4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begat sons and daughters:

I understand that Adam had many other sons and daughters, but Cain is mentioned specifically as the, supposed, 1st born, and then he murders his brother Abel? Out of what, jealousy! Then Cain is marked; what is this mark? It makes me think of the 'mark of the beast'. He is then sent out into the world. Then I notice Cain's lineage is actually listed prior to Adam's ( Gen 4:17-24), and there is a lot of similarity in the names of Cain's offspring as Adam's. Gen 4:16 says Cain went to the "land of Nod" and took a wife; so there were other people on the earth of child bearing age when Cain was sent away? This seems quite confusing.

Now this makes me go back to reexamine the actual sin in the garden. Where in the scriptures does it say anything about an 'apple'? I have been searching and cannot find it. Is this something that 'man' has added to God's word? I do notice that Adam and Eve covered themselves with fig leaves ( Gen 3:7), so did they actually eat a fig as the 'forbidden' fruit? And why would that make them realize they were naked and cause them to cover themselves with "aprons", again Gen 3:7?

Did something more sinister actually go on in the garden than what we are being taught? Isn't satan referred to as a serpent? Is he the serpent in the garden who "beguiled" Eve, Gen 3:13? Could Cain actually be of the serpent's (satan's) seed?

I think the apple thing is something man-made that does not reflect the truth of the Bible. I don't think the fig was the forbidden fruit but if it was we do not have any reference to it as having some Garden of Eden significance anywhere in the Bible.

I do not believe Cain was born of sex between Eve and the devil. That is nonsense.

So what was the forbidden fruit? And why did 'man' decide to call it an apple? Why would this be a secret? Luke 8:17 says nothing shall remain secret or hidden. This seems very important to me. Was not the Tree of Life in the garden, as well as the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Why would it not be revealed what the 'fruit' of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is?

In Matt 12:33 and Luke 6:44 it speaks to a tree being known by his fruit.

And then there is I John 3:12 where it says Cain "was of that wicked one"?

I have no idea what the forbidden fruit was but I do know Adam and Eve left it behind in the Garden when they were banned.

Luke 8:17 tells us that our secret sins will be revealed someday but it does not tell us that we will know every secret thing of God today. This is the verse that applies to the secret things of the Lord.

Deuteronomy 29:29

The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

Sinners born in sin are physical sons of Adam, not physical sons of the devil. Sinners who reject the light of the Gospel revealed to them by the Holy Spirit are referred to as spiritual children of the devil, not physical children of the devil.

1 John 3:12

Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous.

John 8:44

Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Angels don't have sex.

Matthew 22:30

For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

Gen 6:4 There were giants in the earth in those day; and also after that , when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

So in Gen 3:15 when God is talking to the serpent He says, "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her Seed;." In the concordance the word 'seed' means child. So it is saying the serpent has a child. Then God goes on to tell the woman He is going to "multiply thy conception". I think we all know what conception is. Doesn't God's punishment always fit the crime?

Cain and Abel came of age at the same time in Gen 4:3-4, which speaks to them being born at the same time, fraternal twins, one evil and one good.

The fallen angels came down and had sex with women and had children, why is it "nonsense" that satan did the same with Eve? After all, he is their leader.

Regarding Luke 8:17 I don't know what secret sins you are speaking of, because my understanding is we are forgiven our sins when we sincerely ask for forgiveness, and God knows all, so we have no secrets from him.

Deut 29:29 unfortunately has a bad translation. If you go back to the Hebrew text this should read, "The secret things, even the revealed things [belong] to us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law."

I John 3:12 and John 8:44, well what more can I say about these as they both speak to Cain being of satan.

Okay so what was the "mark" put on Cain? And who did he go off and marry in "the land of Nod"? And why are his offspring named so similar to Adam's?