Bible Discussion Thread

Where is the verse that says " No man hath seen God at any time "



The disciples all saw Jesus many times and yet they say this ?

Any time ?

Jesus said if you have seen me you have seen the father , would mean they are the same , but still no man has actually seen the father , and we know He sits on His throne .

Jesus said the pure in heart shall see God , that must be future so take heart and keep it pure !

Here is a verse that gives light

3Johnv11

Dear "Somefair", see that you have received many nice answers, i hope u have not been confused. Many also think differently.

Jesus was without sin but in a human body, BORN of a woman with flesh, muscles and bones. At least it's safe! He ate and then everything will come out naturally, right. Our Savior was and walked the earth like us! But after His death, Mary recognized His tone/soul;

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.



What was His intention with that? And say do not touch Me. Clearly He understood that she would then have been completely confused. For others there they did not recognize Him, but she did. There was nothing to feel. He was a Spirit!

He really had a lot to do in those 40 days he was in this spirit world. He freed the prisoners who had gone before.

For afterwards, when the disciples had not yet received the Holy Spirit, they did not know Him either. They did not even dare to ask Him if He was the Lord! So in the last chapter of John we read about this. So here on Earth, Jesus was before the Son of Man, then He became Spirit. Then at Pentecost He give away the Holy Spirit. So we must not think that we will no longer have a body that needs food and the necessity of emptying afterwards. All the food we then get is from Jesus.

So then we may see the Face of God. But in Earth life we can not. Then we must die. God knows how to hide. Now we are hidden in Jesus Christ.

Hope to see you all a in a different form, and that we can recognize each other in the special way a soul has. God bless us in Jesus Name, love u in Christ.

Here are 3 verses

1 John 4.12

John 1.8

John 6.46

Maybe I can't answer your questions but I will share the following truth.

In 2016 I was hit head-on, on my motorcycle. Ejected into windshield and landed about 60 feet away. Shortly after, at some point, left my body. Went to the light. The feelings there were unlike anything flesh can imagine. Unfathomable love, peace and joy. Just as I began to approach the threshold a voice coming from every direction, from inside of me and that seemed to be everything in existence stopped me. This voice was commanding yet calm and loving. I was given an instruction to which I responded, "I don't want to." Immediately, through(in front of) the light He appeared draped in white. Yet, he was the light. He showed Himself to me but I was not allowed to see Him directly or to see His face. But I will tell you, with certainty, that there was NO doubt who this was. He was that visible. He said 5 words to me and everything that happened to take me there, now went backward. Or in reverse. I woke in a hospital bed paralyzed with tubes coming from my body. A nurse was standing at the foot of my bed and asked "who were you talking to." My response was "to the man standing beside me." He was 1 foot from my bed rails but I could only see his white raiment. Nothing more. She said "honey noone is there." I looked and He was gone. I told noone about this for years. Possibly a decade.

Take this for what you will. It is truth. It happened.

I was an undeserving, prideful and sinful man full of blasphemy, hatred and immoral actions. I now spend every day of my life praising and serving the Father.

I am brought to tears by the Holy Spirit almost daily at the most random times. Still proclaiming my unworthiness.

Lazarus was pulled from the grave.

May God Bless all of you.

Somefair:

Ephesians 4:4 There is ONE BODY, and ONE SPIRIT ......

Ephesians 4:6 ONE GOD and FATHER OF ALL ......

God is Spirit, Spirit is God, no one can see Spirit, therefore no one can see God.

God (Spirit) is all things that can't be seen: life, faith, love, truth, wisdom, counsel, understanding, mercy, obedience, light (not physical light), ETC.

God wanted all these things to be seen, so he created a BODY, and he placed the FULLNESS of himself in that BODY.

That BODY is CHRIST; that holds the FULLNESS of SPIRIT (God), all of GOD, life, love, faith, truth, ETC. can be seen in Christ. Christ said if you have seen me you have seen my Father.

Christ, is ONLY THE BODY, for he said, the words you hear are not my words, but my Father's words, the work's you see are not my work's but my Father's works, of MYSELF I (the body) can do NOTHING.

We were given that same BODY at Christ resurrection; therefore we must say the same thing as Christ, its not my words you hear but my Father's words, it's not my works you see but my Father's works; of myself I (the body) can DO NOTHING.

Philippians 2:12 For it is God (Spirit) that worketh IN YOU both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.

He does the same thing in Christ. It's just that Christ knows this TRUTH, therefore he was without sin.

Ezekiel 36:27 And I (Spirit) will put my Spirit IN YOU (Christ), and cause you (Christ) to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgements and DO THEM.

Through TRUTH we are being created in to the exactness of Christ, (A BODY) that holds the FULLNES OF SPIRIT.

GBU

Amen Bro Earl Gbu well said....

Dear Somefair

People have seen the human body of Jesus Christ, also His spiritual body after His Resurrection. But His divine body no man has ever seen It. Nor has ever seen Father and Holly Spirit. For if smd sees God he will die ( Exodus 33;20). People have only seen similarities of God both in OT and NT.

But afrer our resurrection we will get our new spiritual bodies similar to Jesus' body and we will see God's Face and live with Him/Them for ever ( 1 John 3:1-3).

GBU

DEAR Giannis,

it seems to me that you are implying that Jesus was resurrected in a spiritual body.

I think that Scriptures say that He was bodily resurrected and that in His appearances to His disciples, He was in His physical

body. He ate with them and He had Thomas put his hands in His wounds, He said (when the disciples thought He w as a spirit)

that a spirit does not have flesh and bones like He did ( Luke 24:39). Jesus ascended bodily to heaven and the angels told the

disciples that He would return in the same manner-bodily. my understanding is that Jesus remains in heaven in this physical

body, though glorified, and that in the resurrection, our physical bodies will be glorified like Jesus' but still physical bodies, since

our salvation involves our whole selves, spirit, mind, soul, and body.

We will always be human, even in heaven, as when God made man in the beginning, He made him as an embodied person.

Having a body is essential to our nature, so I do not think Jesus or humans will become a spiritual being. Conversely, those who

are judged to hell experience physical torment not just spiritual.

Perhaps you could explain your thoughts on this more for me to better understand.

Dear Gigi

I would also like to commend about whether the descriptions in the Gospel for hell and fire are true or metaphores.

There is a dispute betwwen christians about whether the discriptions in the Gospel about hell have metaphorical or litteral meaning. That is, whether hell is a real fire or whether the abscence of God from people will cause pain in the soul.

Lets go to Luke 16:19-31. Jesus talks about the rich man and poor Lazarus.This story takes place in the times of the Old testament. The rich man and Lazarus are in Hell (although the greek text says Ades instead of hell which is a different thing). Do they have bodies? No, they are souls because ressurection hasn't happen yet. So how come the rich man suffers in a real fire? How come he feels thisty? When the rich man calls for Abraham's help he says that he is tormented in this flame (verse 24). But the Greek text uses the word 'odynomai" for tormented which actually tends to mean psycological pain than material pain.

Now which theory is true? As far as i am concerned i am not sure which one is right, i have both in mind till with the help of God i have a better understanding.

FBU

Dear Gigi

You are right about Jesus Christ when He showd Himself to the apostles after His ressurection and said that He is not a spirit for a spirit does not have flesh and bones like He did ( Luke 24:39) But what Jesus probably meant?

Lets leave that for now and go to 1 Corinthians 15:35-54. Pay attention to all verses written especially to verses 44,45,46,50. Here apostle Paul talks about our ressurection. In verse 50 he says {Now this I say, brethren, that FLESS AND BLOOD cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption}. I think we can agree that he talks about us ressurecting in spiritual bodies.

Lord Jesus Christ ressurected as a human being. He took the spiritual body that all christians will aquire when ressurected or tranformed.

So what Jesus probably meant in Luke 24:35? My opinion is that he tried to point out that He was not a spirit. There is a difference between spirit and spiritual boby. A spirit is a spirit like God, angels ... A spiritual body is smt diffrent though. It is still a body but of a diffrent material of a different nature (spiritual). I can not say any more because anything else would be a guess and gusses sometimes are wrong. Paul in to 1 Corinthians 12:12 says in simple words that we have a lack in knowledge about the celestial world.

GBU

Thanks Giannis, In reading your explanation, I don't think we are far apart on our thinking. I understand that flesh and blood cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. And we do not know if Jesus' fleshly body was change after He ascended. But I do believe that He has a body fit for heaven, as we will have in the resurrection. One that is immortal and incorruptible. My point i in my post is that

1) Jesus resurrected in a physical body that could be touched. it was not a spirit. And His body could eat.

2) Our redemption includes ALL of what makes us human. We have a body, soul, and spirit. 1 Cor. 15:44 says "it is sown a natural (flesh and blood) body, and it is raised a spiritual body." The natural body is subject to mortality, corruption, sickness, decay. But our heavenly body will not have these aspect. But, we will still have a recognizable body. not be disembodied souls or spirits

Dear Gigi

I think i completely agree with your second comment. We have yet many to learn about our Lord and God and that will be going on forever and i think we will never get to know Him completely.

God Bless You.

Giannis,

Yes, we will spend eternity discovering more and more the blessedness and glory of God, as far as our finite selves can embrace and understand the Infinite God.

In my opinion its because Jesus was temporarily put into the limited form of a man, so in that state it wasn't exactly the same as looking at God in the spirit form with all God's glory and power. This happened before, actually, when Jacob wrestled with a figure God took a physical form and wrestled with Jacob: Genesis 32:30. I think if people looked directly at God in spiritual form they would normally die, because its too intense to handle. Exodus 33:20. Moses saw the back of God as He passed, but again, wasn't the same as a full on experience. Ex. 33:19-23

Somefair.

Here's a scripture that to add to what Gigi has said.

Philippians 2:5-7. Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:

WHO, BEING IN THE FORM OF God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

God bless.

Hello Somefair,

I think the verse you are seeking is 1 Timothy 6:16.

This verse is speaking of the Father, who lives in approachable light which no one has seen or can see.

Jesus, although God in the flesh, is the express image of the Father. But the two are not the same Persons. The Godhead

of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit who possess the one divine nature. That is why we say that God is three Persons in One God.

Those who saw Jesus saw God the Son who took upon Himself human flesh. Prior to this, He was pure Spirit as the Father and

Holy Spirit are.

Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and God are all God, but Jesus laid aside His heavenly role when He took upon Himself the form of a man and was made in the likeness of men. No man has seen God the Father or the Holy Spirit in heaven but men did see God manifest in the flesh as Jesus.

Dear "Somefair" you have right the pure of heart shall see God. Matthew 5:8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.

Exodus 33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

(Here we are reminded of God's Holiness again).

Colossians 3:3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. Think what Jesus has done for us? Jesus loves us all, and i love u all in Christ.

Genesis 19:9And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest.

(We should always think about what is best for our neighbor).

Romans 12:10 Be kindly affectioned one to another with brotherly love; in honour preferring one another;

Proverbs 4:23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life. Amen

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