Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Deb burrington - 2 years ago
    Did Enoch and Elijah die an Earthly death?
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    These Scriptures show what happened to these men: For Enoch, Genesis 5:24 and then Hebrews 11:5. For Elijah, 2 Kings 2:1,11.
  • Roman - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Deb,

    Yes. Hebrews 9:27 was written for a reason. Elijah and Enoch were both men, and like men they were subject to death. "and God took them. Does it mean they were "raptured", Haha, whatever fits in your temple. The fact is their souls went back to God in heaven. Ezekiel 18:4

    They are not equivalent or comparable to Christ in any way shape or form; they sleep. Any other explanation is contrary to the Bible's teachings. The writer romanticized their deaths, made them bigger than life; scripture proves this. It was a huge mistake to fantasize them, because God knows people can't differentiate fact from fiction, regardless of the law. These two prophets mortality wasn't any different than any other men of any time.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Short answer-no. Elisha had the unfortunate task of satisfying the curiousity of those who thought he was dropped someplace on a mountain after God took Elijah up. ( 2 Kings 2:16-18). Enoch was also taken up as he pleased God.

    There is some controversy as to the identity of the 2 prophets in Revelation; although Elijah was stated to return according to Malachi before the great and dreadful Day of the Lord. Hebrews 9:27 states that man is destined to die once then face the judgment. Since the 2 prophets die at the hands of Antichrist someday; it certainly could be those two the only ones raptured as it were.

    Christ began the resurrection of those during the "church age." He was the first of the "firstfruits"; followed by "many who rose from their graves" after the Resurrection of Christ ( Matthew 27:52-53). Some according to 1 Cor. 15:51-52will not "sleep" or die physically either. What is hard to explain is how in still mortal bodies these saints can be in God's presence. Perhaps they are as those saints in Revelation; under the throne or removed from being so close to God that they would perish. If this theory is wrong in regard to Enoch then perhaps he will undergo some transformation into a new body. It would seem though that it took Christ's resurrection removing those in hades (who used to be in a pleasant part such as Lazarus) ( Luke 16:22). Post Resurrection; to be "absent from the body is to be present with the Lord." ( 2 Cor. 5:8).

    There are many interesting analogies with Elijah and Elisha in terms of those today who are ready for the Rapture. Elisha didn't want to talk of the event. ( 2 Kings 2:3). We should seek to be as those taken (such as Noah) FROM trouble in the Rapture rather than those who narrowly escaped (typified by Lot). If we are like Lot's wife; we may be swept up in destruction.

    It is nice to know that if we are removed from our earthly tabernacle before the Rapture we will be in His presencce ( 2 Cor. 5:1).
  • Marke - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Not yet but I believe they will die during the tribulation, according to Rev. 11

    3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

    4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

    5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

    6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

    7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

    9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.

    10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

    11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

    12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
  • Roman - In Reply - 2 years ago
    The 2 witnesses are the 144,000 from Israel and Judah, the first fruits. In Rev 7:1-8 they are sealed. In Rev 7:9-15 they are standing in heaven, resurrected. It is not Elijah and Moses or Elisha or anyone else, but the 144,000. The witnesses, the 144,000 go the distance to the 7th trumpet, when they are taken up to heaven.

    Elijah, Mal 4:5, is described in Rev 10. He comes to prepare us for the day of the Lord, before the 6th trumpet.

    The witnesses, and Elijah have 2 separate and distinct tasks, and they are not the same. I bid you to prove them as one and the same, because you can't. I've told you this before, what else can I do? Let me help you:

    Who are the 2 olive trees and 2 lampstands before God? The house of Israel and the house of Judah are the 144,000.

    It is a great example of following feelings over scripture, and then you add in the other prophet, Elisha, to really confuse things. The scripture you quote identifies the saints, and no on else. You need to put some thought into this to bring about understanding.
  • T. Levis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Genesis 5:21-24, 2Kings 2:11, 2Kings 2, Matthew 17:1-7, Mark 9:1-7,



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