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In Daniel's Book ( Daniel 2:31-45) the last kingdom in earth's history that will rule on earth is described:
V40 - And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
V41 - And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
V42 - And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
V43 - And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Assuming that we live at the very end of this world, what do you think, which modern nation/country looks like that kingdom?
My opinion, as well as many christians' over here, is that it looks like the European Union, what do you think about it?
You bring up a great question. You ask: Assuming that we live at the very end of this world, what do you think, which modern nation/country looks like that kingdom?
Currently, I believe the country referred in your scripture is the US! It has been seen by most people in the world, as the strongest nation militarily, for many years. Recently, this mind set has begun to change, with many in favor of Russia or China as the possible new superpower. Russia is showing that it is really "NOT" a superpower as evidenced by their current failings in Ukraine, this is very revealing to the world, how weak they really are. Currently, that only leaves China now, as the only possible competitor with the US. The US has the proven record over many years of fighting modern warfare, as the strongest in that arena. Can this pivot to China, that is a high unknown. Russia has failed, China may be learning something from Russia's enormous mistake.
I also believe, the verse's that you quote in Daniel speak to the current weakening within the US. (And also shows the "falling away" of the entire world.) I view Christian's as "the iron"; the "clay" is everyone else - non believers. For some time now, the weak clay (non believers) has been mixing in with the iron, and weakening the strength of the US from within.
Isaiah 5:20
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
As far as being close to the end times, know one knows but the Father, per Jesus. Looking all around, we seem to certainly getting closer. Isaiah below, speaks directly to what is currently happening all around us today!
Isaiah 5:20
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
I think it looks like America today, before the return of Christ. The EU has undergone it's triumph of one money, but it didn't fully succeed. In America today, discussing Christianity is turning from "the way," to those who more openly oppose faith. Many of the Churches are too quiet, and many Christians are accepting non-scriptural things as Scriptural. For example, many people are accepting and defending trans-sexuality, when the Word clearly tells us there are only two genders and that it's an abomination for a man to dress as a woman and a woman to dress as a man.
Hi dear "A Wife", now i see that you are referring to scriptures found in the Old Testament. For clothes do not matter, we know that now. For we are talking about the Holy Spirit. There is only one who knows the hearts. It's God. We should be careful about is judging people who look like men or if they are women, who knows, who knows them? Do i, No. They can be like us Jesus saved and converted. Repent and be baptized. Believe fully and firmly in the Lord Jesus. If we share the world as you do now, we will see more exits. Example:
Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
A few decades ago, people believed that the UN was the antichrist.
Today in the eurozone, 19 out of a total of 27 member states have the euro. It is a good result as it is over half. It's not bad. But still, it is the US dollar that really has something to say in times of trouble :)
Anti-Christian thoughts fill the one who does not have Jesus in his heart. And spread such thoughts / words. But he who fills himself with the Word from Him. John 7:38 There is something there! Then we will not fear but rejoice in the Lord we who know it. It's the same all over the globe. And those who have Jesus in their hearts, purify themselves and resist such thoughts, do you agree?
Since this is found all over the globe. Is it probably the battle of good and or evil we are talking about here, friends!
I wish you all the best in the Lord Jesus. Read John 7 and 8 chapter. Jesus loves u and yours, i in Christ.
The situation in Europe is worse than the US, especially in central and northern Europe. The vast magority of Europeans are completely atheists. They hardly know anything about God and Jesus Christ. They never go to church. Real Christians are considered as old minded extremists/fanatics/outcasts. Europeans adore believing that their grandpa was a chimp, their grand grandpa a sponge and their 3Xgrandpa a nothing. This is what they get tought in schools from the very begining of their school lives. A complete nonsense. People claim they know a lot and are wise but believe in nonsense. How true is nowadays what apostle Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 3:19-20 & 1 Corinthians 1:18-21. Same where I live, people although labeled christians, know almost nothing about what is written in the Gospel and their lives are completely irrelevant to God's way. There aren't many real christians and a lot of them are drifted towards world's beliefs, especially the young generations. Nothing can break this chain unless God shows His power. This is our prayer during these times here. We pray and ask God to give His children the Gifts the First Church had been given. To rise people like Paul, Peter, Philip and the rest who performed miracles, even Paul's shadow performed miracles, and preach God's Word with authority. And we have promises from the Lord that the miracles that the ancient church saw will be repeated before the end. But we have to be in the right position for God to trust and use us. God Bless You sister.
In Daniel's Book ( Daniel 2:31-45) the last kingdom in earth's history that will rule on earth is described:
V40 - And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
V41 - And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
V42 - And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
V43 - And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Assuming that we live at the very end of this world, what do you think, which modern nation/country looks like that kingdom?
My opinion, as well as many christians' over here, is that it looks like the European Union, what do you think about it?
You bring up a great question. You ask: Assuming that we live at the very end of this world, what do you think, which modern nation/country looks like that kingdom?
Currently, I believe the country referred in your scripture is the US! It has been seen by most people in the world, as the strongest nation militarily, for many years. Recently, this mind set has begun to change, with many in favor of Russia or China as the possible new superpower. Russia is showing that it is really "NOT" a superpower as evidenced by their current failings in Ukraine, this is very revealing to the world, how weak they really are. Currently, that only leaves China now, as the only possible competitor with the US. The US has the proven record over many years of fighting modern warfare, as the strongest in that arena. Can this pivot to China, that is a high unknown. Russia has failed, China may be learning something from Russia's enormous mistake.
I also believe, the verse's that you quote in Daniel speak to the current weakening within the US. (And also shows the "falling away" of the entire world.) I view Christian's as "the iron"; the "clay" is everyone else - non believers. For some time now, the weak clay (non believers) has been mixing in with the iron, and weakening the strength of the US from within.
Isaiah 5:20
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
As far as being close to the end times, know one knows but the Father, per Jesus. Looking all around, we seem to certainly getting closer. Isaiah below, speaks directly to what is currently happening all around us today!
Isaiah 5:20
"Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"
God Bless.
Isaiah 61:10 I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.
A few decades ago, people believed that the UN was the antichrist.
Today in the eurozone, 19 out of a total of 27 member states have the euro. It is a good result as it is over half. It's not bad. But still, it is the US dollar that really has something to say in times of trouble :)
Anti-Christian thoughts fill the one who does not have Jesus in his heart. And spread such thoughts / words. But he who fills himself with the Word from Him. John 7:38 There is something there! Then we will not fear but rejoice in the Lord we who know it. It's the same all over the globe. And those who have Jesus in their hearts, purify themselves and resist such thoughts, do you agree?
Since this is found all over the globe. Is it probably the battle of good and or evil we are talking about here, friends!
I wish you all the best in the Lord Jesus. Read John 7 and 8 chapter. Jesus loves u and yours, i in Christ.
The U.S. 9and Europe for that matter0 has gone for the ways of the world rather than the Word. It is sad for me as one who lived
during the late 50's/60's and how our society cared more for God's way. But all the people I grew up with are the ones who turned
the tide and taught it to their children and now grandchildren. So, the slippery slope got slipperier as the decades rolled
over.
But I do believe that God knows and has a plan. He is sovereign and will bring glory to Himself no matter what man does.
I admire the believers in countries like China, who are under Communist or dictator rule. It is difficult and dangerous for them to
practice their faith and win converts. Those in Arab countries are definitely persecuted and martyred. I want to have faith to
endure to the end and not be swayed by the pressures of society or government.
The situation in Europe is worse than the US, especially in central and northern Europe. The vast magority of Europeans are completely atheists. They hardly know anything about God and Jesus Christ. They never go to church. Real Christians are considered as old minded extremists/fanatics/outcasts. Europeans adore believing that their grandpa was a chimp, their grand grandpa a sponge and their 3Xgrandpa a nothing. This is what they get tought in schools from the very begining of their school lives. A complete nonsense. People claim they know a lot and are wise but believe in nonsense. How true is nowadays what apostle Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 3:19-20 & 1 Corinthians 1:18-21. Same where I live, people although labeled christians, know almost nothing about what is written in the Gospel and their lives are completely irrelevant to God's way. There aren't many real christians and a lot of them are drifted towards world's beliefs, especially the young generations. Nothing can break this chain unless God shows His power. This is our prayer during these times here. We pray and ask God to give His children the Gifts the First Church had been given. To rise people like Paul, Peter, Philip and the rest who performed miracles, even Paul's shadow performed miracles, and preach God's Word with authority. And we have promises from the Lord that the miracles that the ancient church saw will be repeated before the end. But we have to be in the right position for God to trust and use us. God Bless You sister.
Luke 16:6 The law and prophets were until John, since that time the kingdom of God is preached....
The four kingdoms seen by the prophet Daniel:
#1 Babylon
#2 Medes and Persians
#3 Grecia
# 4 Kingdom of God
Man's doctrine teaches the seven years of anti-christ; God's word doesn't teach that.
Most misapply Revelations and Daniel, you have to put lots if other verses together to come to truth.
Like the puzzle you spoke of.
Matthew 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach ...for the kingdom of heaven is AT HAND (HERE NOW).
According to man's teaching anti-christ is still future.
Revelation 22:10 ..the time is at hand.
Daniel spoke of FOUR kingdoms: Christ said the forth came when John began preaching.
This nullifies the anti-christ as the fourth kingdom; Daniel would have had to seen five kingdoms.
God Bless You!
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