Bible Discussion Thread

Dear fellow christians.

I was always trying to think a respective to God's Trinity in the physical world but couldn't find any. One day I thought of jewels. A jewel is made of gold. Not pure gold. A part of it is gold, another part is silver and a third part is usually copper. When one melts and mixes all three of them together they become a new metal consisting of the original three. But they are not just three metals mixed or glued together, actually all 3 of them are placed inside each other. It is a brand new metal that combines the properties of the initial 3 metals. One metal, not three. It is called an alloy but it is still a new metal. One can separate them by using electrochemical mehods and get back the original 3 metals. So three become and one becomes three.

God is one God but at the same time three persons.That is three separate personalities. Identical but still three. They have the same nature, the same power, everything is the same but They are still three separate personalities. But when come together they are one God. To understand this just think of our Lord Jesus Christ on the cross. Jesus suffered, He felt the nails in His Hands and Feet. He suffered as a man and God simultaneously since He is man and God simultaneously. But at the same time Father God and Holly Spirit did not suffer, did not feel any nails in "their Hands and Feet". Because they are other persons. But when They go one inside the other they become one God. It is confusing, isn't it? Anyway maybe my thoughts are wrong. Has anybody else got some idea about God's Trinity?

The Trinity is so simply that a 5 yrs old cd understand it...Abraham Issac and Jacob are the trinity...Father Son and Granson A picture of the Kingdom...Just as Abraham offered up his only Son Issac so God Almighty offered up his only son Jesus...That Ram caught in the thicket by his horns was symbolic of Christ and his crown of thorns...Just as natural Israel was multiplied as the sands of the seas...The heavenly Trinity which is Father son and H.G. is gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven, thats y the sower of the good seed wants to sow his seed in our hearts that the H.G. the Child of Promise will be born in us sinners...Just as Issac came out of the loins of Abraham. The H.G. which is the Child of promise that comes out of the loins of Christ Jesus...He breathe on them and they were impregnated by his words which are his seeds his breath...The Child is the H.G. the Child of Promise thats y he has to know us...They don't call him the bridegroom for nothin he has a seed to sow in humanity...As the field is the world...She brought forth aman Child that is gona rule all nations...And her Chilld was caught up to God and to his throne...Jesus said unless you receive the kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...When he said b/c i have spoken these words unto you Sorrows have filled your hearts but when a woman in in travail she has Sorrows b/c her hour is come...But after the Child comes her sorrows are turned into joy....Our Child is the H.G. that Child of Promise that results from our heavenly Birth and his seed the words of the book...Thus Christ is truly the Father of the Child the H.G...Thus the H.G is the GRANSON IN RANK WITH JACOB..That great promise was multiplication of Christ JESUS in humanity...Thats y we refer to the H.g. as the Promise...he is the multiplication of Christ in us via his seed the word.

...My lil Children of whom i travail in birth till Christ is formed in you..Thats y the sower wants to sow his seed in us..

I met a man today begging on a street corner , we got into a discussion about God , He said we are all God because we are in Gods image .

I tried to explain that an image is a likeness , not the actual thing . He said he had catholic training and knew the Bible .

He could not understand or refused to , it ended our conversation . He was getting angry .

If i take a photo of you its an image of you and a likeness of you it does not show all of you but its easy to see its an image of you only . But its not you in real life its less than you , but it is an image .

So the image never can be more than an image . There are many in the image of God yet only One God . Thats what Jesus meant when he said to the pharisee that ye are gods , because they are made in the image of God , not actually God only ONE GOD. Father of all ....

Circular arguments on this topic remind me of an Abbott and Costello "who's on first" skit. In case anyone isn't aware, here are some scriptures describing one God with three components: father, son, and holy spirit. We likely will never 100% comprehend God nor should we expect to, but the fact is the Bible describes God as a triune Godhead, uses plural terms, says the three are "one", and I will trust God's Word over man's word. Christians will keep sharing the truth of the scriptures everytime someone tries to challenge God's word.

Godhead:

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:29

Romans 1:20

John 1:1

1 John 5:7-8

Genesis 1:26

Genesis 11:6-7

John 10:30

John 8:19

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 2:22-24

Matthew 1:23-25

Isaiah 7:14 - Jesus is called Immanuel which means "God with us"

Dear Adam,

Thank you for listing all of these Scriptures for people to reference concerning the triunity of the Godhead. Some just will not believe these verses because their minds are set. But hopefully there may be some who will read them and understand this Scriptural truth and believe it.

We keep up the good fight!

Hello Brother, I concur that we are in the image of God in some way, but not gods. Our God has the only divine nature, as there is only One who created all things before creation, Only one God existed. We are creatures and our nature is human, not divine. We will never be a nature other than human, but in the resurrection, we will be glorified humans, like the humanity of Jesus, but we will not be Jesus, just akin to Him in that we will both have glorified humanity.

Jesus alone is both wholly and eternally divine and fully human, having his humanity born and matured, suffered, died, buried, and raised. He ascended to heaven, and sits at the right hand of the Father. He alone was God who came from heaven to earth incarnated in human flesh, lived, died, raised, and then ascended back to heaven. We will be brought to heaven by Jesus, but we cannot resurrect ourselves nor can we ascend to heaven ourselves as Jesus did, because He is God the Son. We are not.

Sometimes people blur the lines between God and creature, which diminishes our view of God and elevates our view of man. But God has clearly revealed that He is elevated, far above everything created and we are lowly in view of His greatness, in need of Him. But He does not need anything. being children of God by adoption is such a privilege. We do not deserve that.

I am not intimating that you have blurred the lines. No, I think you clarified this matter. Thank You.

Dear Mishael.

Thanks for your reply.

I know the verses you mentioned. I wasn't trying to understand the nature of God, just trying to find an analogy of the Trinity in the physical world. So I came up with the jewel..

Now, let's talk about the word Trinity. Why do I think that your dislike for the word Trinity is not due to the word itself but due to its use by the RCatholic church, isn't that true? But the term Trinity was not invented by the RCatholics but by the ancient church in its struggle against the first heresies appeared from inside the church itself, like Arianism and others that described Jesus as only man or as only God, or teaching that God is one person that appears sometimes as Father, other times as Son or Holly Spirit. There is 17-18 centuaries history behind that word. So finally the ancient church came up with the term "Agia Trias' which is Greek for "Holly Trinity" as a term to say that God is one but 3 persons at the same time.

Then it was translated in Latin and later on in other languages. In Greece it is used extensively by all denominations, reborn christians as well.

Personally I don't stick to it although to be honest I like it, I may use any other word that describes the nature of God accurately. I dont mind using the word Godhead or anything else. Never heard of the word Godhead before since it is the first time I joined an English speaking christian forum here. Anyway thanks for replying.

Have a nice day. God Bless You

When i think about the GODHEAD the trinity i always think about Abraham Issac and Jacob...I think thats y God told Moses my name is Abraham Issac and Jacob....They were Father Son and GRANSON...And without this Granson Jacob there cd neva been the 12 tribes...and that Promise that Abraham wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven cd not happen without this Abrahamic trinity...And God Almighty swore by his very self that Christ was gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven....Thus there is gonna be an ISRAEL OF GOD...Impling that God himself was gona be multiplied as the stars of heaven...As Jesus said to whom the Word came it made them Gods...When Jesus said that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit thats the H.G. the Child of Promise which is God as only God is spirit...As Isaiah speaks of a heavenly Jacob coming in the last days...The sun does not lite on them or any heat simply b/c they are Spirits...The H.G. plural as the stars of heaven in multitudes...ok lemme go someone at the DOOR...The dogs are barking

I heard someone say that they "hated" the analogy of the egg. But I love it! But then who am I ?

I like it too dear Donna. But the problem with the egg is that each part of it is not inside the other, they are separate, so I tried to find another analogy and came back with the jewel. GBU

Luke 9:28-36. Mount of Transfiguration

Jesus was talking to Moses and Elijah

Peter and John saw this taking place and were thinking they should build churches; instead of just "being in the moment."

Then Father God tells them, this is my beloved Son__Hear Him!

The Scriptures about the Godhead. Sometimes called "Let Us..." in some passages. These scriptures are evidence of all 3 persons of the Godhead speaking to each other.

Genesis 1:26, 3:22, 11:7

Isaiah 6:8

* Romans 1:20*

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:27-30

1 John 5:7

John 10:30

"For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and GODHEAD so that they are without excuse:"

Genesis 1:1

The Father purposes

The Word (Jesus) speaks. ( John 1:1)

The Spirit (Holy Spirit) executes the spoken word. Action.

I do not want to offend you, but the word "Trinity". It is a word that the Catholic Church uses. The word used in the Bible approved by most all Churches is Godhead.

The word Triune simply means three.

When Chris returns, if you see him in here ask him about the Council of Churches; history,

I think you'll see what I mean if you look up those scriptures.

Blessings, Mishael

Hiya Mishael...But the Godhead is simply three...All the way back to the Ark of the Covenant The Father dwelt between the 2 Cherubim of GLORY Thus there were 3 in the most Holy Place...And Moses didn't build the ARK OF THE COVENANT BY any man made plans...God told Moses see that you build the ark from what was shown you on the Mount when he was with God for 40 days...So this precious Godhead ( the trinity ) has absolutely nothin to do with the Catholic Church...Only in the minds of some folks that hate the Godhead the trinity say this...When God told Moses that his name was Abraham Issac and Jacob and my memorial to all generations..Just as Abraham offered up his only son Issac God Almighty offered up his only Son Christ Jesus..And just as Abraham was multiplied as the sands of the seas, God Almighty is gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Thats y Jesus is saying that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit which is the H.G. The Children of Promise..THAT ISRAEL OF GOD which are spirits the H.G. PLURAL..As the stars of heaven which is the contents of the Book in the Father right hand..And that is y we must be born from above...Just as there was a natural Israel there has to be an Israel of God which is the H.G. That heavenly Jacob in Isaiah 49.

...When Jesus said whosoever receiveth one such Child in my name receiveth me...Thats the H.G the child of PROMISE THE ISRAEL OF GOD...They don't refer to Jesus as the bridegoom for nothin...He is gonna sire an Israel of God in humanity...As the field is the world..When God changed Jacobs name to Israel it was prophetic the H.G. TH 3 RD PERSON WD BE ISRAEL of GOD.

....Not only does God want a new covenant he wants a new ISRAEL MADE UP OF ALL PPL BY THE SEED OF Christ sown in their hearts...a new innerman which is spirit the H.G. PLURAL that is gona be as the stars of heaven in multitudes...As i will pour out my Spirit on all flesh which is the H.G the Children of PROMISE....An Israel of God via the seed of Christ Jesus

Alex, I do appreciate your knowledge and willingness to teach everyone that enter these rooms with questions.

Tedious as it was, I made myself read through history that began a line of Churches called, Catholic. My question was, why not just Christian?

I dated someone who was Catholic. We eventually broke up because I was not going to convert to that faith. To my Baptist perception, that Church was a lot of ritual and I was banned from communion even though I was born again. We separated as friends because of this. There was no compromise.

Years later, as a street preacher, I often saw Catholic teenagers drive by their Catholic Church shouting the priests name and waving their beer bottles at the Church.

Rather than take "the offense", I chose to give this matter to Jesus to carry for me; so I could be available to everyone I met on a sidewalk. Judge not.

That has been my stance for 36 years. I can't preach Christ and Him crucified and get dragged into divisions and controversy. The Bible teaches against that.

All I can say about this, is the words: "Trinity and Triune" are not in the King James Bible. According to Revelation 22, I cannot ADD or SUBTRACT any words from this Bible. I must let the Lord himself, sort this out.

The one question I ask myself when issues arise, "what does this have to do with a person being born again?"

Dear Mishael.

It is sad that the ancient church broke down in tenths of branches with different teachings. But lets do some history to get to know some things better The first church was called by itself as Catholic and Apostolic. Maybe in English these words don't mean anything but in Greek Catholic means Universal and Apostolic because it has a mission (Apostole in Greek means mission). We can agree I think that there is nothing wrong with these words. When politics and ambitions came into that Church it was separated into two branches, the Roman Catholic Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church. That was done rouhly 1000 years after Christ. By that time the Church had gone miles away from the early church in terms of beliefs, teachings, way of life, etc. The R/Catholics included the term Catholic in their name to show that they represent the universal church but Orthodoxes never accepted that nor Pope as a their spiritual leader. Then from the R/Catholics Luther separated himself and the Protestant branch of Christianity started to form. Protestantism was not unified and eventually broke down in a big number of congregations with similar, but not the same, beliefs. And here we are now. I think it is not so important to quarrel about words. I do understand that reborn christians suffered a lot by the R/Catholics in the West. The same happened in the East, but by Orthodoxes this time. Those churches can not accept that have eventually failed in their mission to preach God's salvation. They stay in their traditions and history but offer nothing to people any more But we can use them as examples for what happens to a church when it doesn't stick to the teachings of Gospel and goes the world's way. I've read a lot about you of what you have posted so far. You have done a great work in your life. Surely there is a big wage for you in Heaven. Don't be sad about people that don't believe. You couldn't do anything more. You've been working your talent well.

God Bless You.

The word "Bible" isn't in the Bible either.

LOL. You are a joy to me :)

Good Evening, Mishael.

It is true that the word Trinity is not a word in the Bible, but Godhead is used to identify the triunity of God.

The word 'Rapture' is not in the Bible either, but it describes what happens to believers when Jesus comes back for them.

The word Trinity is used by many denominations other than the Catholic Chruch. It is misleading to imply that it is only a "Catholic" term.

For me, I use the term Trinity and Godhead interchangeably. I understand that some who do not believe that the Godhead is three distinct Persons but only one God may object to the term. Or others, who have a distaste for anything that appears to be Catholic may object to it. I understand that. But i do think we need to speak as objectively as we can when discussing terms.

But, if you prefer to use the word Godhead instead of Trinity, that is great! But those who use the word Trinity should be given respect as most on here know that it refers to the word Godhead of the Scriptures that say "Godhead".

Mishael, you so often have many good things to say on this forum. I am grateful for all you contribute.

In the Search Box on this website, I look up words to verify if they are in the King James Bible. Whatever is the written word is what I go with.

I've tried other Bibles, like the DAKES, NIV, ESV and I cannot study in them. I'm really sensitive to how the Holy Spirit leads me in a lot of things. If my spirit feels Him cringe, I repent right then. It's been like that 36 years. I'm used to His leading. I'm not able to stray off like a cat if I wanted to. His love so envelopes my being. It feels like Song of Solomon in some ways. My soul craves His presence.

I've become an alien to this world. Confusing things make me flip to WHO is the author of chaos and confusion? It's a default setting.

I see my Bible on the table and I think, Come and Taste the Goodness of the Lord.

I gave the Godhead Scriptures. One being my favorite, Isaiah 6:1-5. GiGi, I'm not delusional. I saw the Lord the day I was saved. I'm trying to get people into the kingdom. That's it. Faith has to grow. It hurts me when they get hung up on a nail by non-words. Non as in, not in the KJV Bible. Those other words are not in it. Forgive me.

I'm not a scholar. I knew at 4 yrs old, someone was with me. Maybe an Angel? I was almost killed (on the farm) many times. I remember everything. When I think how often Jesus rescued me, I am filled with aching Love for my beloved.

In this room, we should all be who God chose us to be. Believe me, he has granted strength in us that defies explanation. I really admire Chris and Alex and others with the skills I don't have. The Body of Christ. I'm feet.

I hope you are feeling stronger day to day. You are so blessed to have a mate to share things with. Children to pray for. Mothers prayers are like cruise missiles.

Oh Mishael. I do not think that you are delusional at all. I have found in my interactions with you that you are very level-headed. I enjoy dialoguing with you. It blesses me. Thank you for your regards towards me. I am improving quickly. I was able to get out of my slippers and into rain boots today to go to my friends house to do gardening today. So, wearing double cushioning socks allowed the boots to be comfortable as they are a size of so too bug for me. Yeah!

Have a good night, Mishael. Talk to you tomorrow.