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  • S Spencer - 2 years ago
    The Kingdom of God "In our midst"

    Part 1 of ?

    We know there are many prophesies in the old testament of Jesus reigning and sitting on David's Throne.

    Today I want to discuss a great misrepresentation of this truth starting with two of many scriptures in the old testament then we'll go into the New Testament.

    1) "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

    Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this. Is 9:6-7.'

    2) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

    Malachi 4:5.

    Here's the same promise given to Mary in Luke 1:32-33.

    In those days When a king would go out to another country to seize it, or peacefully he would send ahead his messenger/fore runner. They didn't come by surprise. ( They came with observation ) "Keep that in mind "

    John the baptist was Jesus fore runner.

    Mark 1:2-3.

    Matthew 11:13-14.

    Israel was expecting a forerunner and king that was to come and rid them of the Romans and sit on David's Throne.

    John the baptist was sent ahead to announce The King, Jesus was bringing in a heavenly kingdom not one you can observe, It wasn't going to be a March to battle. That's why Jesus said it come without observation in. They rejected their King due to blindness under the mosaic system.

    Please see part 2.
  • Alex N - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Spencer Isaiah 11 is using Jesse David and Solomon as symbolic language for a kingdom coming in the last days...When God was gonna set his hand a 2 nd time to recover the remnant of his ppl... Isaiah 11 : 7...But just think a minute Isaiah lived approx. 300 yrs AFTER Jesse David and Solomon but Isaiah is still using these 3 men as symbolic language for a kingdom coming in the last days...Which speaks volumes of the trinity being Father son and GRANSON...Solomon was the Granson that God wanted to build the great temply not David the Son...Ya see that ?....It was in the heart of David to build the temple...But God wd not let David the son build the temple...Why am i saying this...simply b/c Jesus is not gonna build the temple in our hearts...Its gonna be the H.G. that heavenly Solomon..That special son that came out of Davids loins is just prophetic of a special son that is gonna come out of Christ loins...When he breathe on them they received the H.G. The H.G. IS that child OF Promise that Greater then Solomon that is here Jesus mentions...As our bodies are the temple of the H.G.....OK I JUST WANTED TO MENTION THAT...I believe this JESSE DAVID SOLOMON RELATIONSHIP IS JUST PROPHETIC OF THE Father Son and the H.G....Which was liturally Father Son and Granson....As Solomon was the Granson....Remember Jesus said that it is expedient for you that I go away if i go not away the Comforter will not come....David had to die that Solomon wd be King....Jesus had to go away that the kingdom wd come...But Jesus said whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth ME..GOD...ok
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    The Kingdom of God.

    Part 2of ?

    Here's an article.

    In Luke 17:20-21, Jesus says, "The kingdom of God does not come with observation; nor will they say, 'See here!' or 'See there!' For indeed, the kingdom of God is within you"

    The context of Jesus' statement is a question put to Him by His Pharisee detractors who had asked when the kingdom of God would come (verse 20).

    Jesus' answer was that the kingdom of God was not coming in the manner the Pharisees were expecting. The kingdom would not be inaugurated with spectacle or splendor; there would be no great and magnificent leader who staked out a geographical claim and routed the Romans; rather, the kingdom would come silently and unseen, much as leaven works in a batch of dough (see Matthew 13:33). In fact, Jesus says, the kingdom had already begun, right under the Pharisees' noses. God was ruling in the hearts of some people, and the King Himself was standing among them, although the Pharisees were oblivious to that fact.

    Various translations render the Greek of Luke 17:21 various ways. The phrase translated "within you" in the KJV and NKJV is translated as "in your midst" in the NIV, NASB, and NET; "among you" in the NLT and HCSB; and "in the midst of you" in the ESV. Earlier versions of the NIV had "within you" with a marginal note suggesting "among you." There is obviously a difference between saying "the kingdom of God is within you" and "the kingdom of God is among you."

    Within you" comes off as an unfavorable translation, seeing that Jesus was speaking to the Pharisees at the time. Jesus was surely not saying that the kingdom of God resided within the Pharisees' hearts. The Pharisees opposed Jesus and had no relationship with God. Jesus in other places denounced them as "whitewashed tombs" and "hypocrites" ( Matthew 23:27).

    See Part 3.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    The Kingdom of God.

    Part 3.

    "WITHIN YOU."

    The better translation would be "in your midst" or "among you." Jesus was telling the Pharisees that He brought the kingdom of God to earth. Jesus' presence in their midst gave them a taste of the kingdom life, as attested by the miracles that Jesus performed. Elsewhere, Jesus mentions His miracles as definitive proof of the kingdom: "If I drive out demons by the finger of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you" ( Luke 11:20).

    There are three popular interpretations of Jesus' words in Luke 17:21 that the kingdom of God is within you (or among you): 1) the kingdom of God is essentially inward, within man's heart; 2) the kingdom is within your reach if you make the right choices; and 3) the kingdom of God is in your midst in the person and presence of Jesus. The best of these interpretations, it seems, is the third: Jesus was inaugurating the kingdom as He changed the hearts of men, one at a time.

    For the time being, Christ's kingdom is not of this world ( John 18:36). One day, however, the kingdom of God will be manifest on the earth ( Isaiah 35:1), and Jesus Christ will rule a physical kingdom.

    Jesus told his desciples to pray for the Kingdom.

    Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

    Mat. 6:10.

    Some say the Kingdom started in Jesus ministry.

    There's several problems with that view.

    1) Davids throne no longer existed then. "It still don't.

    2) Revelation 20. refutes that notion. "The devil is still at large, look around.

    The Millennial Kingdom is a one-thousand-year literal and visible reign of Christ upon the earth during which Satan is bound, Israel as a people is restored, and the Jewish Temple rebuilt.

    Isaiah 2:1-4.

    Isaiah 11:1-10.

    Isaiah 65:18-25

    I like this one!!

    Isaiah 11:11. God will gather Israel a SECOND TIME and all this will happen.

    This is being fulfilled before our very eyes! He just haven't poured his spirit on that nation yet.

    God bless.



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