Bible Discussion Thread

I donot believe that we should demonize folks that are spritually minded as some in this forum is doing...Are we gonna demonize the H.G. for making folks speak in tongues that very few can understand?...If we walk in the Spirit we cannot but help speaking tongues in the SPIRIT... Matthew 16 : 17...Even our lord told Peter that flesh and blood has not revealed it unto you but my father in heaven meaning in the spirit as God is spirit ...Flesh and blood is mans carnal mind like the Pharisees that knew the word literally but not the Spirit of the WORD.

.....1 st Cor. 2 : 15 Not mans wisdom but what the H.G. Teaches even the mystery of the Kingdon of God. As these things are hid from the wise and prudent...But revealed unto babes and sucklings...Them that are born of the spirit are spirit which is the H.G our new innerman....

.....What they are saying is akin to demonizing the H.G. and folks that are possesed with the H.G. that are over spirtualizing the bible in their minds...We do not walk after the flesh but after the spirit...But the spritual things of God are foolishness to them that walk in the flesh, The Carnal man....( some folks in this forum that cannot understand spritual things )..as the H.G. teaches us...So they demonize folks that do understand spiritul things...Its just as Jesus said them that are born of the flesh always persecutes them that are born of the spirit...It goes all the way back to Ishmael and Issac.

.....But what does the bible say cast out the bondwoman and her son...Which are them that persecutes them that are born of the spirit...( them that understand the mystery of the Kingdom of God ) which is Christ in you via the seed of Christ....The H.G.

....They are in essence saying the H.G. and folks possessed with the H.G. are of the devil...Who needs them we can understand the bible without the H.G. and folks that are speaking in the spirit.

.....They are in essence saying we can just go to a bible school and know everything...How stupid.

Dear Alex;

Your post, interestingly enough does exactly what you are accuses others who do not share your way of interpreting Scripture, judging that we do not have the Holy Spirit dwelling in us and are not guided by Him. You have judged us as not being of those of the Promise (being in Christ) but of those that are of flesh. No one is persecuting you or anyone else who spiritualizes and allegorizes the Scripture to the point of altering its intended meaning. We are just criticizing this approach as being unsound. We are speaking to the ideas that are put forth from this way of interpreting Scripture. We are not judging you as whether such people as not having the Spirit or not being in Christ as your post implies about those of us who disagree with such an approach to Scriptural interpretation.

Alex, I know that you and others truly love the Lord as those of us who do not share your viewpoint do. You post your views regularly on this forum. Most of the time, no one refutes your interpretations, even though we find them problematic most of the time in regards to rightly dividing the Word. The occasional times one of use does address your viewpoint, we do so to promote dialogue concerning the Scriptures that reflect a more sensible and accurate interpretation of verses within the context of the passage. Addressing what you post is not a personal attack or persecution, as you have stated.

It is very common on this forum for people to dialogue back and forth in disagreement, both presenting their views from a Scriptural perspective without accusing the other of not being Spirit filled or led. We love and care for you and others on this forum that differ in the way we interpret the Word. But, this does not mean that we don't speak our minds about views that seem to us to be "off" in their interpretation of Scriptural truths. We speak up because we love the truth and wish to defend it when God's Word is presented in a way that does not reflect His truth.

It's not your place to assume that anyone on here finds Alex's interpretations problematic , maybe you do but you do not speak for any one on here other than yourself . You definately don't speak for me . Your assumptions betray your arrogance . I'm sorry to say that to you but I can't bear the thought that you assume you are speaking for others . Your words and feelings are all yours .

Suze, this will be my last post to you on this thread, but I would like to direct you to read the posts by S. Spencer and Chris's replies on this topic that started this thread response to S.Spencer's post here. Please read what Chris has responded to me on this thread. I did not assume anything as you stated. I also have not spoken to you or Alex the rude way you have spoken to me on this thread. But it is what it is and I will move on from this discussion with you or Alex. I hope you have a good night. I continue to pray for your Mom and step-father and you who care so much for them. God bless you.

Thank you for your reply to me , I'm sorry to say that I don't read S Spenser or Chris . So I won't be doing that . I have genuine respect and affection for you but I also have the same for Alex . He has asked you more than once to just leave him alone . For all of our sakes on here , who don't want to read posts from people who don't agree with each other and can't just agree to disagree and leave each other in peace . Please . Much love in Christ .

Amen suze well said...

Suze,

I know that you and some others share Alex's views. I also know for a fact that there are others that think as I do. I am not thinking or speaking for others nor am I assuming things I do not know. I believe that your chastisement of me is unwarranted. But I do respect your privilege to do so and to disagree with me.

Dear Gigi , you might be surprised to learn that I don't agree with or understand all of Alex's posts . I do enjoy reading them because he provokes me to think more deeply about things and inspires me to study harder . I also respect his right to exist on here without being harangued , as I respect everyone's right on here to speak their hearts and minds , in line with God's commandments about respecting other Christians , if we keep our hearts and minds open we can learn from each other , that doesn't mean we have to agree with everything everyone says . I am very sensitive to the possibility that some one is being singled out for negative responses , there are plenty of people on here that say things I don't agree with but I have no desire to embarrass or belittle these people by correcting them . I hope we can , finally , move away from this pointless exercise and get on with trying to be useful and helpful to every one on here instead of distressing ourselves and others by bickering amongst ourselves . Much love in Christ .

John Ch 4 V 23+24 .

Amen GiGi. Well presented. As one side refutes the comments of so-called non-spiritually-minded folk, so the other side have equal warrant to present their view, lest a public forum as this becomes lop-sided, with what I see as perpetuating error. The only way around this is for meaningful expository exchanges, but that is unlikely to happen as I've noticed when expository fundamentals are not adhered to. I've often been told that 'I'm in grave error or I don't write according to the Spirit, or speak as a Pharisee', which of course, I take on board - for that's what I expect. Likewise, errors found within other submissions, need to be exposed & refuted from the Word. If one chooses not to pursue a discussion on it, as I often see, then where is the opportunity to get a proper grasp of Truth?

Gi Gi I do not bring a long railing accusation against you...I love you in the Lord...But i do rebuke you in the name of the lord...You cannot demonize folks that are in the spirit...Get thee behind me Satan...You are of the same SPIRIT of them that stoned Steven...For telling the truth...Do you not remember that Israel stoned every prophet that God sent them.

......Jesus asked which of the Prophets has not your fathers stoned....And here you are trying to stone me and others ...For telling the truth.

......GI Gi I rebuke you in the name of the lord...They found Steven that man of God to be PROBLEMATIC ...He was interpreting the bible in way that was "OFF."..to them ...But he was just telling the truth.

.....Gi Gi you have been persecuting me for over a yr....And you continue to make derogatory remarks about my Posts....Its time that you are put in your place....Get over your self....i have warned you several times if you wana dialogue with me do it a kindly manner...I have even begged you several times do not address me....But you continue to harass me for well over a yr...I went thru this same thing several yrs ago with a JEHOVEH WITNESS in another chat room...But after I rebuked him in the name of the LORD he left me alone....I was just telling him that Jesus was God the son...He said that was Problematic...nite Gi Gi

Dear Alex, you have just proved my point in my last point.

By the way, I have only been on this forum since November. Perhaps your dating is off or maybe stating that i have been persecuting you for a year is hyperbole. Again, I say, I am not persecuting you. Nor am I demonizing you nor am I harassing you.

I have taken to heart your request that I not respond to your posts, yet you have responded to mine. I think it goes both ways, Alex. And in most cases I do not respond to your posts. But this is an open forum and just as I expect and accept that people are free to respond to what I post, others should have the same attitude. I try to give a reasoned response to others, including you. I do think that you continue to repeatedly post ideas that are contrary to the intended meaning of the many Scriptures you cite. And I know I am not alone in my concern here.

Alex, I do love you and care for your feelings on here. I am not intending to insult you or aggravate you. I do not question the validity of your faith in Christ nor your standing before God, as you have done of me and others who object to your way of interpreting Scripture. I do not question whether you have the Holy Spirit in you, like you have done to me and others who have refuted your views and Scriptural interpretation methods. And I have not referred to you as Satan, as you have done in this post to me.

Alex, I can see that your feelings are hurt by the post that S.Spencer wrote about the way you and others interpret Scripture or you would not have responded to his post as you did. And your feelings are hurt that I responded to your post about this topic. This is a free forum and all on here are free to respond to any post that is submitted here. I don't think that picking and choosing who can respond to our posts and eliminating those we do not wish to do so reflects the spirit of this open forum.

Even so, I am glad to know how you feel on this matter however I will still exercise my freedom here.

Thank you GiGi; gracious as always. Universalism is a teaching that needs to be exposed & refuted at every level. The servants of the Lord should make no apology for calling it out.

oops, Sorry, it was Alex who told me to get over myself, not Suze. Sorry Suze. Just want to keep it honest.

Thank you Chris,

As Suze on this thread has chastened me for saying that others on this forum find the type of Scriptural interpretation we see in Alex's, ELB's, and others' posts troublesome as being arrogant, that I should get over myself, and that I should not speak for others.

You and S. Spencer have stated on more than one occasion that these types of interpretations are problematic and in many cases erroneous. I do stand in agreement with you and S.Spencer and any others who would also take offense at the many posts made on here by a few that interpret Scripture in the way S. Spencer has stated in the original posts he submitted that elicited a response from Alex.

I appreciate your clear posts and reasoned responses. I try to do the same. interesting that when we do this we get spoken to as I have been on these posts from Alex and Suze. They speak to me in a way I, you, or others have spoken to them, yet they accuse us of doing exactly what they have done to us. So, I am determined to keep praying about these exchanges and for the people who engage in them with me.

I am not trying to bring you into this spat. I plan to exit it and not respond further to Alex or Suze on this thread. But I do welcome and value your responses to them or me. This forum is very blessed to have you on here sharing your wisdom that comes from the work of the Holy Spirit in you as you have disciplined yourself to read and know the Word so well.

Thank you for your kind words GiGi; we all do our best to bring out God's Word as given, and in the spirit of teaching & being taught, we can believe that growth in spirit & the Word will be our blessing. I too share your thoughts of avoiding specific folk, not for any character-based reason (I believe each one is truly genuine & loves the Lord), except that it seems the only common ground we have is that we use the same Bible. After that, any discussion on it seems to take us into areas of confusion of thought & departure of any possible meaningful exchange. I have tried to sustain a discussion several times, but unfortunately not many are prepared, or unable, to take it to the next level. With all that said, be encouraged dear sister & please continue to bring us those gems you learn from God's Word.

Alex , stay cool my brother , John Ch 4 V 23+24 . The Bible will talk for u .

Grae thanks for that beautiful Scripture... John 4 : 23 n 24 ...But the hr. cometh and now is when the true worshippers wilL worship the Father in Spirit and in truth for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

......GOD IS SPIRIT and them that worship him must worship him in SPIRIT AND TRUTH...Amen Grae...GBU

GBU Grae....Thank you so much for your encouraging words....I will stay cool amen....You are so right the bible really does speak for US...GBU IN Jesus Name.

Good night to you Alex , much love in Christ .