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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 192124

Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • S Spencer - 2 years ago
    FOR IT IS WRITTEN!!

    A number of times during His earthly ministry, Jesus responded to questions with, "It is written" (7 times in Matthew, 4 times in Mark, 5 times in Luke, 1 time in John). In the Bible, we also read of many time when Jesus quoted the truths of God from the Hebrew Scriptures.

    Satan doesn't dispute whether it was written or not. He tries to redefine the word of God.

    as seen here.

    Genesis 3:4-5. and

    Matthew 4:3-7, 10.

    Notice every rebuke came from Jesus was by the written scripture.

    3) And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.

    4) But he answered and said, IT IS WRITTEN, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. ( Deuteronomy 8:3.)

    5) Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,

    6) And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone. ( Psalms 91:11-12.)

    7) Jesus said unto him, IT IS WRITTEN again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.

    ( Deuteronomy 6:16.)

    10) Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for IT IS WRITTEN, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. ( Deuteronomy 6:13. Deuteronomy 10:20.)

    it's interesting The Lord and Satan goes back and forward over what is written.

    They both took the scripture literally! The issue is how to apply it.

    With Eve the Devil tactic was to misinform.

    With the Lord the Devil tried to misapply scripture.

    When the enemy can't remove the scripture he set tares amongst us to distort the ministry in every way possible.

    NOTE:

    The notion that there is no Hell and there is no Satan comes from the same Evil source that told Eve she shall not surely die.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    The ministry of reconciliation is given to believers.

    Notice who's addressed.

    Ephesians 1:1.

    Colossians 1:2.

    Also here.

    2 Corinthians 5:10-21. For WE must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

    For we commend not ourselves again unto you, but give you occasion to glory on our behalf, that ye may have somewhat to answer them which glory in appearance, and not in heart.

    For whether we be beside ourselves, it is to God: or whether we be sober, it is for your cause.

    For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead:

    And that he died for all, that THEY which live should not henceforth live unto THEMSELVES, BUT UNTO HIM WHICH DIED FOR THEM, and rose again.

    Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more.

    Therefore "IF" ANY MAN BE IN CHRIST, HE IS A NEW CREATURE: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

    And all things are of God, who hath reconciled US to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to US THE MINISTRY OF RECONCILIATION;

    To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto US the word of reconciliation.

    Now then WE are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

    For he hath made him to be sin for US, who knew no sin; that WE might be made the righteousness of God in him.

    Notice this continues on to the next chapter.

    2 Corinthians 6:1-13.

    Here's a contrast in

    Ephesians 2:1.

    Colossians 3:5-6.

    2 Corinthians 6:14-18.

    2 groups, saved and unsaved.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Love.

    John 15:13. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

    John 3:16. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

    Redemption.

    To fully appreciate this Love, one would have to believe we've been Redeemed from something!! There would have to be consequences for the opposition.

    We've been bought with the blood of Christ!

    John 3:35-36. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.

    He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: AND HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT THE SON SHALL NOT SEE LIFE; BUT THE WRATH OF GOD abideth on him.

    The narrow gate.

    The only way to the father is by the son. John 14:6.

    However not many will find it.

    Matthew 7:13-14. Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

    Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

    Here we see two groups with separate destinations.

    Matthew 25:41, 46. Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, DEPART FROM ME, YE CURSED, INTO EVERLASTING FIRE, PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS:

    And these shall go away into EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT: BUT THE RIGHTEOUS INTO LIFE ETERNAL.

    Note.

    Everlasting punishment is not a refining fire. It's EVERLASTING PUNISHMENT.

    These verses have to be taken literal, that's the only way that Love is displayed.

    God bless.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    More examples how the men of God took the written word of God literal on most occasions.

    Daniel 9:2-3. In the first year of his reign I Daniel UNDERSTOOD BY BOOKS THE NUMBER OF THE YEARS, WHEREOF THE WORD OF THE LORD CAME TO JEREMIAH THE PROPHET, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

    And I set my face unto the Lord God, to seek by prayer and supplications, with fasting, and sackcloth, and ashes:

    "Here Daniel responds with prayer to what he found in scripture and took literal."

    Daniel 9:25-26. we have a prophesy of the coming of Lord "as King"fulfilled to the day and the death of the Messiah and destruction of Jerusalem. "Literal "

    They, ( the Jews ) was held accountable for not knowing the "TIME" of his visitation.

    See here.

    Luke 19:42-44 (KJV) Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.

    For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,

    And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; BECAUSE THOU KNEWEST NOT THE TIME OF THY VISITATION.

    Daniels prophecy and estimation was to be taken literal.

    Please keep in mind this thread is to refute the notion that the whole Bible is a parable as one mentioned.

    God bless
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Amen Kay!

    What was the purpose of Jesus coming into this world and suffering the way he did if there's no damnable outcome for those who reject Christ!

    John 3:18. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. This speaks against the notion everyone will be saved!

    Luke 19:10. For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost. Saved from what?

    Was all the Apostles killed for nothing?

    Those who say there's no Hell or Satan preaches against the cross.

    The big question for those who present this doctrine is

    What is the purpose and virtue of their message? Why bother?

    It tells the sinner, "You shall not surely die!" That's not the Gospel!

    God bless.
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother S Spencer:

    In your conversation with Kay, you said:

    Those who say there is no Hell or Satan preach against the cross.

    Ephesians 2:5 Having abolished in his flesh the emnity (heart of Satan at war with the heart of God), ...... for to make in himself of twain, one new man ....

    Ephesians 2:6 That he might RECONCILE both unto God in ONE BODY by the CROSS having SLAIN the EMNITY thereby.

    Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace, through the Blood of his cross, by him to RECONCILE all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

    This says that that emnity WAS SLAIN and all things RECONCILE to him by the blood of HIS CROSS.

    The says that there is a hell; preaches against the cross. Abolishing, THAT ALL by the blood of his cross WERE (finished) reconciled to him.

    Are all things reconciled to him, or is it up to MAN?

    God BLESS YOU!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Earl.

    It's funny you have given scriptures to be examined literally!

    However.

    You have given 6 scriptures and added or taken away from each and misapplied them! What you seem to often put in parentheses is errored!

    When confronted you hide behind spiritualation.

    I'm not going to deal with all of them but here is an example of your errors.

    You say "Job said Satan came in "WITH MAN" to present himself to God."

    When has man ever been able to go to and fro the Earth?

    When has man ever been able to present himself to God?

    Answer. Never!

    John 1:18.

    John 6:46.

    Here's that account in scripture.

    Job 1:6. Now there was a day when the SONS OF GOD came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.

    Sons of God in this passage are Angels.

    Your view is that Satan is mans flesh. "He doesn't exist"

    So who's responsible for Jobs losses? And who is God interacting with in Job 1. ?

    I'm sorry but I can't entertain that.

    My point is taken in your reply!

    If there is no Satan, No hell, and no consequences for sin, There's no Gospel/Good news in your message

    why do you passionately bother?

    according to you whether we receive or not we suffer the same fate. Why was Christ crucified?

    That is not a message from God.

    No response needed

    God bless.
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother S Spencer:

    In you post to GiGi you said:

    Sometime we lose sight that the Gospel was preached to Abraham 430 years before this point: being the giving of the law.

    Hebrews 4:2 For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as UNTO THEM .....

    Those that fell in the wilderness.

    John the Baptist came preaching the gospel.

    After John was put in prison, Jesus came preaching the gospel.

    Paul says my gospel.

    What is this GOSPEL.

    It CANNOT BE heaven and hell, else you would see the PROPHETS screaming this at the top of their lungs.

    Amos 3:2 Surely the Lord God WILL DO NOTHING, but he REVEALETH HIS SECRETS unto his servants the PROPHETS.

    The Book of Job is a PROPHESY.

    Job 1:6 Now there was a day (future) when the Sons of God (the Called and Chosen) came to present themselves before the Lord (as a living sacrifice) and Satan (a deceitful and WICKED HEART living inside the called and chosen) came in WITH THEM.

    2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then shall that WICKED be revealed ...

    2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him (the called and chosen), whose coming is after the working of Satan (a heart of stone, lies, deception, falsehoods and wickedness) ....

    Ezekiel 11:9 And I will GIVE THEM (GRACE) ONE heart, and I will put a new spirit in you, and take the STONEY HEART (after the workings of Satan) out of their flesh, and GIVE THEM (GRACE) a heart of flesh (after the workings of Christ, LIFE and TRUTH).

    2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then shall that WICKED (SATANIC HEART) be revealed, whom the Lord shall CONSUME (for our God is a consuming fire) with the spirit of his mouth (his words of TRUTH), and shall DESTROY (that Satanic heart) with the brightness OF HIS COMING.

    Matthew 12:28 But if I CAST OUT DEVILS (a STONY HEART) by the SPIRIT of God then the Kingdom of God is come unto YOU (Christ's Heart, Life and truth, REPLACING Satin's heart, lies, wickedness, a heart of antichrist).

    All this is GOD'S WORK, man is just HEIR of these work's.

    God Bless YOU!
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Earl.

    Again you drawn from a lot of scripture and misapplied ALL those scriptures by what you put in parentheses.

    You say the book of Job is a Prophesy but James doesn't indicate that.

    James 5:11. Behold, we count them happy which endure. YE HAVE HEARD OF THE PATIENCE OF JOB, and have SEEN the end of the Lord; that the Lord is very pitiful, and of tender mercy.

    James seems to take the text literal.

    As I said before you can spiritualize the text and claim it says anything.

    You've proven my point!

    We will have to do what we have always done and that's agree to disagree. You know you're not going to convince me and I'm not trying to convince you.

    I'm moving on,

    Back to declaring the importance in proper hermeneutics.

    God bless those who believes in what is written.
  • ELB - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Brother S Spencer:

    I know that you and I disagree, but I also know this is of God.

    Christ said I will set brother against brother, etc.

    This has a PURPOSE.

    NOTE: The notion that there is no Hell and no Satan comes from the same Evil source that told Eve she shall not surely die.

    What was that source?

    Who is this Satan?

    In Genesis it says he is the most subtil of all the beast of the field.

    Psalms says man differs not, than a beast of the field.

    Man is the most SUBTIL, of the BEAST.

    Job said Satan came in with man to present himself to God.

    God ask Satan where he had been?

    Satan said walking to and fro on the earth.

    Satan is not a spirit, Satan is flesh.

    Jeremiah 17:9 The heart is deceitful (Satan the great deceiver) above all things, and desperately WICKED ...

    2 Thessalonians 2:8 Then shall that WICKED be revealed ......and destroyed by God's words and God's coming, the indwelling of the Holy Ghost.

    Revelation 12:8 And the earth helped the woman, and open her mouth (the Grave) and swallowed up the dragon ...

    Revelation 20:1-2 Satan was bound in the GRAVE (pit) ...

    Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expire (the age of grace) Satan shall be loosed out of his PRISON (the grave, the second resurrection). To deceive once more: these resurrected still have a heart of stone, the WICKED and deceived.

    Then Judgement, and creation given a heart of flesh.

    Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth (being raised back up) shall worship him, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF THE LIFE of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.

    God Bless YOU!
  • Kay - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Amen, and bless God for His truth!!!

    Grace and peace in Jesus, Spencer!
  • Phyllis - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Love:. For it is Written!

    Especially the emphasis thereof!

    It's impossible to go wrong when we rely on the Written Word/Truth - when rightfully divided, according to Scriptures:

    2 Timothy 2:15

    King James Version

    15 Study to shew thyself approved unto GOD, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of Truth.
  • S Spencer - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hi Phyllis.

    Thanks for adding 2 Timothy 2:15.

    That's a fitting verse for the thread.

    God bless.



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