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Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of this book .....
What happens to those whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the Book of Life?
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.
Acts 22:1 And it shall COME TO PASS, that whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be save.
S Steven GBU But you keep saying that we preach there is no damnable Consequences....What do you think that lake of fire does FOR us....It destroys our old adamic nature which is Satans seat that is our carnal minds his enemy...Steven do you not understand that God wants to make his enemy his footstool which is our carnal minds, our Old adamic nature is his enemy thats y we must go thru that lake of fire to destroy his enemy Satans Seat our carnal minds ....
....Thats y the Kingdom has to be with in us, it has to be internal not external...An external kingdom wd be no threat to Satan simply b/c Satans seat is with in us...our carnal minds is Satans seat...According to Rev. 2 : 13....The Kingdom cannot be in our midst it has to be with in us, Internal not external....As Jesus said i dwell with you ( in their midst ) but shall be with in you.. John 14 : 17 kjv
Steven the most Damnable Consequence IS ETERNAL DEATH..b/c of our sin nature...But we can escape death by the new birth being born again of an incorruptible seed...His blood etc....(Which is his baptism of the H.G. AND FIRE )....That refiners fire and fullers soap is the H.G. and FIRE...Which is his judgement and love....That resulted from the Cross...His blood etc....If i be lifted up I will draw all men unto me...Do you not see the blood of the lamb. is for everybody.
There's Judgment for sinners and There's chastening for believers.
Ether way I don't wish this on no one!
Hebrews 10:26-31.
That's one reason why we preach the cross Continuously! There's blessings and on the other hand There's consequences therefore we preach repentance.
If there's no damnable consequences why preach?
We've been given an urge to preach God's grace. OUR MESSAGE HAS VIRTUE! IT IS SALVATION!!
It has eternal security for the believer! and it has the ONLY escape from Hell. It brings those out of darkness.
If there is another Gospel out there that don't have repentance, Holiness, no wrath of God and no hell. THEN IT CAN'T HAVE SALVATION. " What are you saved from? And if all go to heaven no matter what. Why do you preach and stand in the way of THE Gospel that we preach? It shouldn't bother you unless we have opposing spirits.
Here's what that heresy looks like .
They treat wrath as if it's reward. This is a errored teaching against the effects of the cross.
It speaks in this manner, "Forget the cross, We needs God's wrath!
Forget Holllyness, do evil so we can be thrown in the lake of fire and be purified.
It says Jesus died in vain!
It says God Love on display when Christ died on the cross was pointless.
Thet look at John 3:16. and
John 15:13, They don't say thank you Lord, They say it was unnecessary.
There's no preaching forgiveness for sins to those who trust In Christ, It says hell and the punishment reserved for Satan and his Angels is what you need.
Here's a direct quote from one just a few days ago "
.....Every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire....thank you Jesus that is what we ALL NEED....His baptism of the HG and Fire.
That's their Goodnews/Gospel.
They say this is from God but they can't take that to their local Church. But they come on the site to attack the truth.
There's Judgment for sinners and There's chastening for believers.
Ether way I don't wish this on no one!
Hebrews 10:26-31.
That's one reason why we preach the cross Continuously! There's blessings and on the other hand There's consequences therefore we preach repentance.
If there's no damnable consequences why preach?
We've been given an urge to preach God's grace. OUR MESSAGE HAS VIRTUE! IT IS SALVATION!!
It has eternal security for the believer! and it has the ONLY escape from Hell. It brings those out of darkness.
If there is another Gospel out there that don't have repentance, Holiness, no wrath of God and no hell. THEN IT CAN'T HAVE SALVATION. " What are you saved from? And if all go to heaven no matter what. Why do you preach and stand in the way of THE Gospel that we preach? It shouldn't bother you unless we have opposing spirits.
Here's what that heresy looks like .
They treat wrath as if it's reward. This is a errored teaching against the effects of the cross.
It speaks in this manner, "Forget the cross, We needs God's wrath!
Forget Holllyness, do evil so we can be thrown in the lake of fire and be purified.
It says Jesus died in vain!
It says God Love on display when Christ died on the cross was pointless.
Thet look at John 3:16. and
John 15:13, They don't say thank you Lord, They say it was unnecessary.
There's no preaching forgiveness for sins to those who trust In Christ, It says hell and the punishment reserved for Satan and his Angels is what you need.
Here's a direct quote from one just a few days ago "
.....Every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire....thank you Jesus that is what we ALL NEED....His baptism of the HG and
Fire.
That's their Goodnews/Gospel.
They say this is from God but they can't take that to their local Church. But they come on the site to attack the truth.
"What happens to those whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the Book of Life?
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world." End quote.
Earl that's not the Lord being worshipped here.
Here's a few previous verses to get the context.
Revelation 13:4-8. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: AND THEY WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6) And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7) And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
The next important question is who is I, is it the writer, who wrote the words, or is it Christ who spoke the words.
This study is going to take a while, because it take lots of references from outer scriptures to come to TRUTH.
Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns seven crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard .....
Hosea 13:7 Therefore I will be to them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them.
Jeremiah 5:6 Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay them, and a wolf of the evening shall spoil them, and a leopard shall watch over their cities: each one that goeth out thence shall be torn to pieces, because their transgressions are many, and their blackslidings are increased.
Who is the City that the leopard is watching over?
Revelation 3:12 ....and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God ....
Revelation 13:2 .....and his feet as the feet of a bear .......
Hosea 13:8 And I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and I will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild BEAST shall tear them.
Amos 5:19 And if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear meet him, or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall and a serpent bite him.
This BEAST is Christ.
Make your rebuttal, I'm out of characters, and we will try to come to truth of these first one and a half verses, then proceed on.
I am trying to figure out what message you are sharing here. You answered your first question using Revelation 20:15, so I get that one. In Revelation 13:8, who is being worshipped? I ask because you capitalized Him. Are you saying that it is Christ who is the one they are worshipping in that verse? Maybe I am just misunderstanding because Verse 7 gives us the answer. Also, I am not sure how Acts 22:1 ties into all this. Can you please clarify for me? Thanks for your time!
Revelation 13:5 And there was give him (man) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him for forty two months.
One thousand two hundred ninety days. Forty two months. Three and a half years. Christ ministry on earth.
Daniel 12:11 And from the time daily sacrifice shall be taken away (old covenant) and the abomination THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP, there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days.
Revelation 11:15 The seventh angel sounded (Christ's resurrection), ....saying, the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for the age of the age.
John 19:30 .....It is finished ......
Hebrews 2:8 ....we see NOT YET all things put under him.
You commented the other day that just because we don't believe, doesn't make it not so.
Christ said he speaks as if all things are done.
We should look at his words as if all things are done.
Hebrews 4:3 For we which believed (his words) do enter into rest ......the works were finished before the foundation of the world.
Philippians 2:11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Romans 14:11 For it is written, AS I live saith the Lord, Every knee shall bow, and every tongues shall confess
to God.
It's this lake of fire (for our God is a consuming fire) that CAUSES Confession to salvation.
I'm out of characters, give your rebuttal and I will respond.
I have no rebuttal because I'm still not understanding your message. I'm a little slow sometimes. I was just trying to understand what you were trying to say in your original post. I'm still unsure but that's okay. I do not recall saying "that just because we don't believe, doesn't make it not so." Can you please refer me to the post where I said that so I can see why I might have said that?
In a nut shell: All the WORDS were spoken, and the WORKS were finished before the foundation of the world.
Hebrews 4:10 For he that has entered into his rest, hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Hebrews 4:3 ....the works WERE FINISHED from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 13:8 .....slain BEFORE the foundation of the world.
Everyone has been given the gift of being a heir to God.
All this is being played out in God's appointed time.
I AM the beginning and the end.
I AM the FIRST (born) and the LAST (born).
All preordained to be conformed to the IMAGE OF HIS SON.
The WHOLE world is in TRAVAIL, as a Woman getting ready to GIVE BIRTH.
You must be BORN AGAIN, into the likeness of Christ.
You are a FINISHED WORK, you are just being brought to TRUTH.
My people perish for lack of knowledge.
This is the GOSPEL, all the works of God. GRACE
Man has no part in these works; man is the HEIR of the works of GRACE.
John 4:23 Now the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and TRUTH, for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
If Christ DIED for the WORLD, and RECONCILED all things TO HIM.
To say different, that it's up to man, is not worshipping the Father in spirit and truth.
Amen Bro. ELB....You are so right...Our God is a consuming fire...that is gonna CONSUME mans evil adamic nature...Thats y Jesus said EVERY SINNER WILL HAVE THEIR PART IN THE LAKE OF FIRE....Without this lake of fire ( our God ) we cannot be made clean.
...... Mal. 3 : 2...Who shall abide the day of his coming...Who shall stand when he appears...( 2 nd coming )...For he shall be as a refiners FIRE and FULLERS SOAP...And his words are the fire as Jeremiah said in chap 5....ok gbu
.....Every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire....thank you Jesus that is what we ALL NEED....His baptism of the HG and
Fire.....Even in the natural Gold has to be tried in the fire and God tells us we are gonna be made more precious then the golden wedge of OPhir....ok gotta go
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of this book .....
What happens to those whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the Book of Life?
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world.
Acts 22:1 And it shall COME TO PASS, that whosoever calls upon the name of the Lord shall be save.
God Bless YOU!
....Thats y the Kingdom has to be with in us, it has to be internal not external...An external kingdom wd be no threat to Satan simply b/c Satans seat is with in us...our carnal minds is Satans seat...According to Rev. 2 : 13....The Kingdom cannot be in our midst it has to be with in us, Internal not external....As Jesus said i dwell with you ( in their midst ) but shall be with in you.. John 14 : 17 kjv
Steven the most Damnable Consequence IS ETERNAL DEATH..b/c of our sin nature...But we can escape death by the new birth being born again of an incorruptible seed...His blood etc....(Which is his baptism of the H.G. AND FIRE )....That refiners fire and fullers soap is the H.G. and FIRE...Which is his judgement and love....That resulted from the Cross...His blood etc....If i be lifted up I will draw all men unto me...Do you not see the blood of the lamb. is for everybody.
Ether way I don't wish this on no one!
Hebrews 10:26-31.
That's one reason why we preach the cross Continuously! There's blessings and on the other hand There's consequences therefore we preach repentance.
If there's no damnable consequences why preach?
We've been given an urge to preach God's grace. OUR MESSAGE HAS VIRTUE! IT IS SALVATION!!
It has eternal security for the believer! and it has the ONLY escape from Hell. It brings those out of darkness.
If there is another Gospel out there that don't have repentance, Holiness, no wrath of God and no hell. THEN IT CAN'T HAVE SALVATION. " What are you saved from? And if all go to heaven no matter what. Why do you preach and stand in the way of THE Gospel that we preach? It shouldn't bother you unless we have opposing spirits.
Here's what that heresy looks like .
They treat wrath as if it's reward. This is a errored teaching against the effects of the cross.
It speaks in this manner, "Forget the cross, We needs God's wrath!
Forget Holllyness, do evil so we can be thrown in the lake of fire and be purified.
It says Jesus died in vain!
It says God Love on display when Christ died on the cross was pointless.
Thet look at John 3:16. and
John 15:13, They don't say thank you Lord, They say it was unnecessary.
There's no preaching forgiveness for sins to those who trust In Christ, It says hell and the punishment reserved for Satan and his Angels is what you need.
Here's a direct quote from one just a few days ago "
.....Every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire....thank you Jesus that is what we ALL NEED....His baptism of the HG and Fire.
That's their Goodnews/Gospel.
They say this is from God but they can't take that to their local Church. But they come on the site to attack the truth.
Romans 10:15.
Mark 16:15.
God bless.
Ether way I don't wish this on no one!
Hebrews 10:26-31.
That's one reason why we preach the cross Continuously! There's blessings and on the other hand There's consequences therefore we preach repentance.
If there's no damnable consequences why preach?
We've been given an urge to preach God's grace. OUR MESSAGE HAS VIRTUE! IT IS SALVATION!!
It has eternal security for the believer! and it has the ONLY escape from Hell. It brings those out of darkness.
If there is another Gospel out there that don't have repentance, Holiness, no wrath of God and no hell. THEN IT CAN'T HAVE SALVATION. " What are you saved from? And if all go to heaven no matter what. Why do you preach and stand in the way of THE Gospel that we preach? It shouldn't bother you unless we have opposing spirits.
Here's what that heresy looks like .
They treat wrath as if it's reward. This is a errored teaching against the effects of the cross.
It speaks in this manner, "Forget the cross, We needs God's wrath!
Forget Holllyness, do evil so we can be thrown in the lake of fire and be purified.
It says Jesus died in vain!
It says God Love on display when Christ died on the cross was pointless.
Thet look at John 3:16. and
John 15:13, They don't say thank you Lord, They say it was unnecessary.
There's no preaching forgiveness for sins to those who trust In Christ, It says hell and the punishment reserved for Satan and his Angels is what you need.
Here's a direct quote from one just a few days ago "
.....Every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire....thank you Jesus that is what we ALL NEED....His baptism of the HG and
Fire.
That's their Goodnews/Gospel.
They say this is from God but they can't take that to their local Church. But they come on the site to attack the truth.
Romans 10:15.
Mark 16:15.
God bless.
Here's a portion of your quote.
"What happens to those whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the Book of Life?
Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Revelation 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth SHALL WORSHIP HIM, whose names ARE NOT WRITTEN in the book of life of the Lamb, slain from the foundation of the world." End quote.
Earl that's not the Lord being worshipped here.
Here's a few previous verses to get the context.
Revelation 13:4-8. And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: AND THEY WORSHIPPED THE BEAST, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5) And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6) And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7) And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
God bless you Earl.
Who is the BEAST?
The next important question is who is I, is it the writer, who wrote the words, or is it Christ who spoke the words.
This study is going to take a while, because it take lots of references from outer scriptures to come to TRUTH.
Revelation 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns seven crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard .....
Hosea 13:7 Therefore I will be to them as a lion: as a leopard by the way will I observe them.
Jeremiah 5:6 Wherefore a lion out of the forest shall slay them, and a wolf of the evening shall spoil them, and a leopard shall watch over their cities: each one that goeth out thence shall be torn to pieces, because their transgressions are many, and their blackslidings are increased.
Who is the City that the leopard is watching over?
Revelation 3:12 ....and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God ....
Revelation 13:2 .....and his feet as the feet of a bear .......
Hosea 13:8 And I will meet them as a bear that is bereaved of her whelps, and I will rend the caul of their heart, and there will I devour them like a lion: the wild BEAST shall tear them.
Amos 5:19 And if a man did flee from a lion, and a bear meet him, or went into the house, and leaned his hand on the wall and a serpent bite him.
This BEAST is Christ.
Make your rebuttal, I'm out of characters, and we will try to come to truth of these first one and a half verses, then proceed on.
Cod Bless YOU!
With all due respect, Christ is not the beast of Revelation Chapter 13.
Honestly, Here's as far as I read from your last post.
Your quote.
This study is going to take a while, because it take lots of references from outer scriptures to come to TRUTH. End quote.
I haven't seen you quote a scripture that was satisfying.
There's no virtue here.
Thanks but no thanks.
I want be carrying this any further with YOU.
But I will have much to say to those who trust and believe what's written.
God bless.
I am trying to figure out what message you are sharing here. You answered your first question using Revelation 20:15, so I get that one. In Revelation 13:8, who is being worshipped? I ask because you capitalized Him. Are you saying that it is Christ who is the one they are worshipping in that verse? Maybe I am just misunderstanding because Verse 7 gives us the answer. Also, I am not sure how Acts 22:1 ties into all this. Can you please clarify for me? Thanks for your time!
Revelation 13:5 And there was give him (man) a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him for forty two months.
One thousand two hundred ninety days. Forty two months. Three and a half years. Christ ministry on earth.
Daniel 12:11 And from the time daily sacrifice shall be taken away (old covenant) and the abomination THAT MAKETH DESOLATE SET UP, there shall be a thousand two hundred ninety days.
Revelation 11:15 The seventh angel sounded (Christ's resurrection), ....saying, the kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ: and he shall reign for the age of the age.
John 19:30 .....It is finished ......
Hebrews 2:8 ....we see NOT YET all things put under him.
You commented the other day that just because we don't believe, doesn't make it not so.
Christ said he speaks as if all things are done.
We should look at his words as if all things are done.
Hebrews 4:3 For we which believed (his words) do enter into rest ......the works were finished before the foundation of the world.
Philippians 2:11 and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Romans 14:11 For it is written, AS I live saith the Lord, Every knee shall bow, and every tongues shall confess
to God.
It's this lake of fire (for our God is a consuming fire) that CAUSES Confession to salvation.
I'm out of characters, give your rebuttal and I will respond.
God Bless YOU!
I have no rebuttal because I'm still not understanding your message. I'm a little slow sometimes. I was just trying to understand what you were trying to say in your original post. I'm still unsure but that's okay. I do not recall saying "that just because we don't believe, doesn't make it not so." Can you please refer me to the post where I said that so I can see why I might have said that?
Have a great day Earl.
In a nut shell: All the WORDS were spoken, and the WORKS were finished before the foundation of the world.
Hebrews 4:10 For he that has entered into his rest, hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Hebrews 4:3 ....the works WERE FINISHED from the foundation of the world.
Revelation 13:8 .....slain BEFORE the foundation of the world.
Everyone has been given the gift of being a heir to God.
All this is being played out in God's appointed time.
I AM the beginning and the end.
I AM the FIRST (born) and the LAST (born).
All preordained to be conformed to the IMAGE OF HIS SON.
The WHOLE world is in TRAVAIL, as a Woman getting ready to GIVE BIRTH.
You must be BORN AGAIN, into the likeness of Christ.
You are a FINISHED WORK, you are just being brought to TRUTH.
My people perish for lack of knowledge.
This is the GOSPEL, all the works of God. GRACE
Man has no part in these works; man is the HEIR of the works of GRACE.
John 4:23 Now the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and TRUTH, for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
If Christ DIED for the WORLD, and RECONCILED all things TO HIM.
To say different, that it's up to man, is not worshipping the Father in spirit and truth.
God Bless YOU!
...... Mal. 3 : 2...Who shall abide the day of his coming...Who shall stand when he appears...( 2 nd coming )...For he shall be as a refiners FIRE and FULLERS SOAP...And his words are the fire as Jeremiah said in chap 5....ok gbu
.....Every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire....thank you Jesus that is what we ALL NEED....His baptism of the HG and
Fire.....Even in the natural Gold has to be tried in the fire and God tells us we are gonna be made more precious then the golden wedge of OPhir....ok gotta go
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