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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 192913

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  • Linda Wilson Whitmire on Psalms 2 - 2 years ago
    I am Native American, and I am unhappy that these verses were used by Cotton Mather to lend credibility to the massacre of Native American women, children and old men. What do you have to say about this?
  • Kay - In Reply on Psalms 2 - 2 years ago
    I have to say with Adam who also replied that I am not aware of the incident with Cotton Mather.

    I hope I can offer some encouragement, though, Linda.

    First of all, be at peace knowing that all judgment has been given by God the Father to His Holy, Righteous Son, Jesus Christ, the Messiah. Each one of us will appear before Him; and Cotton Mather will give an account of his deeds, and will be judged accordingly. God is good and wise, and He will do the right thing by all parties concerned.

    Secondly, Jesus was very clear on several things. He tells us that hatred in the heart is murder. If you are angry and hateful over what seems to be injustices done in the past, then you, dear Linda, are no better than Cotton Mather was. We see so clearly the mote in others' eyes, and fail to see the beam in our own eye. Hatred is 'heart murder', i.e., we'd murder someone if we could get away with it.

    Jesus also told us to love our enemies, to pray for those who despitefully use us, because God Himself gives blessings to those who serve Him and to those who do not. By doing so, we conform ourselves to God, instead of conforming ourselves to the devil, 'the god of this world."

    Jesus told us to pray to the Father, 'forgive us our trespasses AS WE FORGIVE those who trespass against us", further explaining that if we do not forgive, neither will the Father forgive us! THAT is scary, Linda! Is it worth your eternal soul, to harbor grudges against others, and risk leaving this earth unforgiven yourself? What FREEDOM you would experience if you forgive and FORGET, because FORGETTING what 'they' did to me/us is a huge part of forgiving! How wonderful you will feel! If you can't do this on your own (and none of us can!), ask Jesus to help you!

    You are heaven-laden with all of the resentments for the past, yet Jesus invites you to cast your burdens on Him; release these cares to Jesus, and pick up your cross and follow Him.

    Grace to you, Linda...
  • John anonymous - In Reply on Psalms 2 - 2 years ago
    Peace to you.

    For what it may be worth:

    "Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man." Genesis 9:3-6

    "...blood it defileth the land: and the land cannot be cleansed of the blood that is shed therein, but by the blood of him that shed it." Numbers 35:33

    According to John Chapter 9, sinners can be born in the flesh again (and their blood can be shed so the land can be cleansed).
  • K. TICE - In Reply on Psalms 2 - 2 years ago
    Abraham Lincoln also freed slaves while he had slaves. As a native myself I hold no grudges or hate for anyone who did wrong hundreds of years ago or yesterday. Christ sat with the man who was to betray Him and Christ loved him. The Bible wasn't written by only one man but a handful over a 1500 yr time span, in 3 languages and on 3 continents. It's time to learn and grow from the past, not keep repeating it and holding onto hate for what happened
  • Our Future Was Written in the Bible - In Reply on Psalms 2 - 2 years ago
    gilderlehrmanDOTorg. skip down to the pdf files

    I know how hurtful this is for you. We need to remember why Europeans migrated to THE NEW WORLD. To get away from oppression, however some brought it here with them. Not everybody shunned their lust to cleanse the new world of its former inhabitants.

    In a way similar to what the Jews experience in Israel today. Everyone trying to drive them out of land that God made a covenant to give to them.

    It was evil what Europeans did to the people of Native America. They didn't understand your religion; and you were pushed off of your native lands.

    My ancestors, Cajuns, immigrated to Canada, and moved south all the way to Bogalusa Louisiana. No one wanted us either. But we became Christians and tried to live in peace.

    All of us are taught the history of how Native Americans were driven further away from the Europeans settlements. Similar to how the Jews would be driven away from their land. Almost eradicated by Hitler. They hid as Catholics. Now all those people who hid in other lands are returning to their homeland in Israel.

    The harm done in the past cannot be fixed until we all join in belief of God, and His son Jesus. Jesus Submitted to be crucified by unbelievers so he could save us and take us to heaven. Away from systems and beliefs of earth, those that don't follow His Provision of Salvation.

    At the end of 1000 years we will return to a restored Earth. Like it was in the beginning. He's the only one who can heal us from 6000 years of mistreatment and being homeless at times. We will live as one body in heaven. No separation. All equal. We will all have the same Father.

    If we can trust Him, this can be reality. He adopts us, and we adopt Him. Will you ask Him into your heart today? Trust Him to right the wrongs, and erase the memories. To give you the right to be His beloved child, forever. I pray the Holy Spirit to help you trust.

    Mishael
  • Adam - In Reply on Psalms 2 - 2 years ago
    Hi Linda,

    I don't know anything about the person or event you are referring to, but it's a common smear tactic to find someone who committed evil and to blame something that person may have associated with at one point of time in their life. But when someone chooses to commit evil and violate the Bible's teachings how is that the fault of anyone other than the one who chose evil?

    God bless...



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