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There is no place in the bible that speaks of that is Titled trinity, it is a Diversion from the truth there is one lord mark 12:22-29 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all? 29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord: mark 12:32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he: So to your question about trinity spelled out, yes but in the way of telling us that it ( doesn't ) Exist The term (Trinity) was invented by the council of Nicaea AD 325. it is Not in the bible. KJV So to truthfully answer, No the bible doesn't spell out the trinity. I would suggest to read the entire Bible yourself and you will see for yourself it's not there.
Hello, this is a commonly used argument, but many consider it invalid because it relies on wordplay and misdirection. One can use the same argument to say: the Bible doesn't have the word "Bible" in it anywhere, therefore it must not be one? You can look through every letter of the scriptures and you will never find it say "Bible" ever. So, this is supposed to be a compelling a argument. People often assume an omission means more than it means. For instance, does the Bible say anywhere that Jesus coughed, sneezed, laughed, took a bath, or went to the restroom? Does that automatically mean he never did any of these things in his whole life?
There's nothing magical about the word trinity and I don't know if the origins stated are true or not, but either way I will use the word because people know what it means. The word is used as a convenience to describe what the Bible already says. It already says the 3 are one, already uses the word "Godhead," and already uses the plural word "we" to describe God. There are numerous verses about this concept and those who don't like a particular word don't have to use it, but if they start denying scripture then that is something they will have to work out between them and God. Some deny the word "rapture" too, but the Bible says "caught up." If God's Word says people will be caught up then people will be caught up. Some of the wordplay fallacies can be distractions from the truth of God's Word.
HELLO! After reading your comment, I had to reply. You said " a commonly used argument, but many consider it invalid because it relies on wordplay and misdirection " so if what you believe about the trinity to be true Then I ask what word play is used in these scriptures. Matthew 1:18 "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the ( Holy Ghost." ) Matthew 1:20 "But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: ( for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost." ) If the theory of the trinity is true and there are three distinct PERSONS, Then where is the Father, please try to explain this to me. And as Always I write this in the hope of Gods Will,That no man should be lost. And in the Love of God
That's right Adam, well said, I agree with you. Now as far as the word "Godhead" is concerned, if we talk about the scripture in Romans 1:20 the word "Theiotis" in the Greek text is actually translated in English as "Divinity" not Godhead. But still words like Godhead (maybe Godhood or even Deity?) can be successfully used to describe God as well. My opinion...
Do you think that verse is a bad or incorrect translation then? If so, do you believe there's other verses in the KJV that are incorrect translations?
My belief is that its already translated and correct and the translators did mostly word for word translations but also took into consideration the intended meaning and in this case they apparently concluded that Godhead was the best English word for it. I believe it was all done far more carefully and prayerfully then us taking a few seconds to look it up and draw our own false conclusions.
The same trick can be done in English too, where you could translate my comment for example to another language and its not a perfect 1:1 ratio of words, so some words will be missing some added to make it correct. But when its translated and means the same as what I wrote, one can easily cherrypick one word, look it up, and say aha!, what it REALLY means is something else. Consider words like run, set, take, go, place, right. All have multiple meanings depending on context, so someone can easily discredit anything they want by choosing one word and retranslating it into another word, possibly missing the meaning in context, while 'proving' to themselves that it was incorrectly translated. Maybe you are already aware of this fallacy, but if not I hope it is helpful. God bless.
My native language is not English but Greek. And my English is not that good as you have surely noticed
As I see it, the KJV translation is a very good translation. Obviously there are some mistranslations and mistakes since translating from one language to another sometimes, few times not always, can not give the right or the very precise interpretation or impression.
But lets talk specifically about the word Godhead. Question. Godhead means Head of God? A somehow group of persons that are Divine?
Anyway the actual greek word in Romans 1:20 is THEIOTIS. It means DIVINITY, and this is how it is written in modern Greek as well. In all versions of the Gospel in Greek, ancient and modern, it is the same, I have never read/heard anything different. Now there is another word in Greek, the word THEOTIS. It is almost the same, the only difference is the letter "I" between letters "E" and "O". But that changes the meaning of the word completely, from Divinity to Godhead. But they are different things, not the same.
Now in my opinion, what Paul is trying to say in the specific verse? "V20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"
Change the word Godhead with the word Divinity. It makes more sence, doesn't it? It means that the power of God and His Divine nature are shown to people through His creation. This is how I have always read it, tought it, heard of it so far back here in Greece.
Now for the rest you write in your post dear brother I am sorry I can not really answer I can only give you an answer for the specific word. But maybe I am wrong, maybe I dont understand the meaning of the word Godhead as it really is. Anyway one can search that on internet or in encyclopedias or christian books. It would be interesting to see how it is translated in other languages like French, Spanish, German etc
There's nothing magical about the word trinity and I don't know if the origins stated are true or not, but either way I will use the word because people know what it means. The word is used as a convenience to describe what the Bible already says. It already says the 3 are one, already uses the word "Godhead," and already uses the plural word "we" to describe God. There are numerous verses about this concept and those who don't like a particular word don't have to use it, but if they start denying scripture then that is something they will have to work out between them and God. Some deny the word "rapture" too, but the Bible says "caught up." If God's Word says people will be caught up then people will be caught up. Some of the wordplay fallacies can be distractions from the truth of God's Word.
God bless.
Do you think that verse is a bad or incorrect translation then? If so, do you believe there's other verses in the KJV that are incorrect translations?
My belief is that its already translated and correct and the translators did mostly word for word translations but also took into consideration the intended meaning and in this case they apparently concluded that Godhead was the best English word for it. I believe it was all done far more carefully and prayerfully then us taking a few seconds to look it up and draw our own false conclusions.
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The same trick can be done in English too, where you could translate my comment for example to another language and its not a perfect 1:1 ratio of words, so some words will be missing some added to make it correct. But when its translated and means the same as what I wrote, one can easily cherrypick one word, look it up, and say aha!, what it REALLY means is something else. Consider words like run, set, take, go, place, right. All have multiple meanings depending on context, so someone can easily discredit anything they want by choosing one word and retranslating it into another word, possibly missing the meaning in context, while 'proving' to themselves that it was incorrectly translated. Maybe you are already aware of this fallacy, but if not I hope it is helpful. God bless.
My native language is not English but Greek. And my English is not that good as you have surely noticed
As I see it, the KJV translation is a very good translation. Obviously there are some mistranslations and mistakes since translating from one language to another sometimes, few times not always, can not give the right or the very precise interpretation or impression.
But lets talk specifically about the word Godhead. Question. Godhead means Head of God? A somehow group of persons that are Divine?
Anyway the actual greek word in Romans 1:20 is THEIOTIS. It means DIVINITY, and this is how it is written in modern Greek as well. In all versions of the Gospel in Greek, ancient and modern, it is the same, I have never read/heard anything different. Now there is another word in Greek, the word THEOTIS. It is almost the same, the only difference is the letter "I" between letters "E" and "O". But that changes the meaning of the word completely, from Divinity to Godhead. But they are different things, not the same.
Now in my opinion, what Paul is trying to say in the specific verse? "V20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse"
Change the word Godhead with the word Divinity. It makes more sence, doesn't it? It means that the power of God and His Divine nature are shown to people through His creation. This is how I have always read it, tought it, heard of it so far back here in Greece.
Now for the rest you write in your post dear brother I am sorry I can not really answer I can only give you an answer for the specific word. But maybe I am wrong, maybe I dont understand the meaning of the word Godhead as it really is. Anyway one can search that on internet or in encyclopedias or christian books. It would be interesting to see how it is translated in other languages like French, Spanish, German etc
God Bless You
You can Google that and read the history of the word Trinity. (and Triune)
The KJV Bible calls the 3 Persons (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) The Godhead in Romans 1
Here are some verses to get you started. God bless.
Colossians 2:9
Acts 17:29
Romans 1:20
John 1:1
1 John 5:7-8
Genesis 1:26
Genesis 11:6-7
John 10:30
John 8:19
Philippians 2:5-8
2 Corinthians 5:19
John 1:3
Matthew 28:19
1 Peter 1:2
2 Corinthians 13:14
Deuteronomy 6:4
John 14:10
John 20:28
1 John 2:22-24
Isaiah 7:14
Matthew 1:23-25
Hebrews 1:8
Isaiah 44:6
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