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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 194885

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  • Dora L Dunn on Luke 9 - 2 years ago
    I am having great difficulty trying to understand this verse....

    27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

    Can you explain/expound please?
  • Timothy B Blaco - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Obviously, Peter, James and John see the kingdom coming at the Mt of Transfiguration. John especially, the Book of Revelation.

    Compare all 3 passages of Matthew 17:1-9, Mark 9:1-9 and Luke 9:26-36.

    Remember, Moses had died and God had buried him. Michael the archangel goes to get his body Jude 1:9

    Elias (Elijah) was picked up by a chariot of fire 2 Kings 2:11-12.

    They are returned by and re-enter a "cloud" where the voice of the Father is heard, Luke 9:34-35. Note the Father must have been in that cloud / chariot.

    The clouds and chariots connection is found in Psalm 104:3 The clouds typify the chariots of the LORD which number 20,000 Psalm 68:17.. notice they are "as in Sinai", Moses time in Exodus. Of course the Cloud in Exodus performed as an aircraft / spacecraft as it came down from heaven and then did many aerial maneuvers.

    When the second coming happens it is referred to many times as a "day of clouds" and in Isaiah 66:15 it involves "his chariots",

    which is a fleet of at least 20,000 - Psalms 68:17.

    Moses and Elias represent the Law and the Prophets, which is what Jesus came to fulfill - Luke 24:44 and they "spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem" - Luke 9:31

    So then, Jesus makes the statement that there be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the kingdom of God... refers to the event of The Mt of Transfiguration event.
  • Timothy B Blaco - In Reply on Luke 9 - 2 years ago
    Obviously, Peter, James and John see the kingdom coming at the Mt of Transfiguration. John especially, the Book of Revelation.

    Compare all 3 passages of Matthew 17:1-9, Mark 9:1-9 and Luke 9:26-36.

    Remember, Moses had died and God had buried him. Michael the archangel goes to get his body Jude 1:9

    Elias (Elijah) was picked up by a chariot of fire 2 Kings 2:11-12.

    They are returned by and re-enter a "cloud" where the voice of the Father is heard, Luke 9:34-35. Note the Father must have been in that cloud / chariot.

    The clouds and chariots connection is found in Psalm 104:3 The clouds typify the chariots of the LORD which number 20,000 Psalm 68:17.. notice they are "as in Sinai", Moses time in Exodus. Of course the Cloud in Exodus performed as an aircraft / spacecraft as it came down from heaven and then did many aerial maneuvers.

    When the second coming happens it is referred to many times as a "day of clouds" and in Isaiah 66:15 it involves "his chariots",

    which is a fleet of at least 20,000 - Psalms 68:17.

    Moses and Elias represent the Law and the Prophets, which is what Jesus came to fulfill - Luke 24:44 and they "spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem" - Luke 9:31

    So then, Jesus makes the statement that there be some standing here which shall not taste of death till they see the kingdom of God... refers to the event of The Mt of Transfiguration event.
  • Giannis - In Reply on Luke 9 - 2 years ago
    My opinion is the following dear Dora.

    The verse has to do with what Jesus was talking about. Lets see what he was saying :

    Luke 9:23-27

    23 And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

    24 For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it.

    25nFor what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away?

    26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father's, and of the holy angels.

    27 But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

    Jesus was talking about those who wanted to follow Him. He warned them that one has to deny everything, even his own life, and suffer persecutions to be able to follow Him.

    The reward for those that believe in Him and follow him all the way through all harsh circumstances met in life is been accepted in the Kingdom of God. So He said there are people standing there that either

    1) will not die the (spiritual) death untill this Kingdom arrives on earth .He talks about tthe litteral Kindom of God arriving at the very end of this world

    or 2) He may have implied that there were people standing there that will not die the physical death untill His Kingdom arrives (He means His ressurection when the saved ones were transferred from Ades to Heaven.

    But since Jesus talks about coming with glory and angels the former explanation seems to the right one, though the latter may not be wrong either.

    GBU
  • S Spencer - In Reply on Luke 9 - 2 years ago
    Hi Dora.

    On Luke 9:27.

    The previous verse gives the period of time in which this takes place. Luke 9:26. For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, WHEN HE SHALL COME IN HIS OWN GLORY, AND IN HIS FATHER'S, AND OF THE HOLY ANGELS.

    In the preceding verses

    Luke 9:28-35. we see a GLIMPSE of Christ in his glory that is mentioned. Also Peter makes mention of this event in 2 Peter 1:16-18. For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

    For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

    And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.

    I believe this takes place at his second coming. Look at Matthew's account.

    Matthew 16:27. For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; AND THEN HE SHALL REWARD EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS WORKS.

    Revelation 22:12. And, behold, I come quickly; AND MY REWARD IS WITH ME, TO GIVE EVERY MAN ACCORDING AS HIS WORK SHALL BE.

    I hope this helps,

    God bless.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 2 years ago
    A hotly contested verse; but the alternate explanation needs to be given of the Transfiguration when 3 disciples saw Christ and 2 saints in a glorified state. This could have been literally a time travel into the future; it certainly revealed Christ in a different manner. Since these scriptures immediately come after this account that is the most likely explanation.

    Another thing not mentioned is those O.T. saints that came out of their graves at the Resurrection. They would have seen Christ after Resurrected but not necessarily as He would return in His glory as the first example also seems to be lacking.

    The events of AD 70 are argued by FULL Preterists as indicating the fulfillment of that prophecy in His generation. There are too many other clear scriptures that invalidate this; not the least of which are in John's account in Revelation. In AD 70 there were said to be many supernatural manifestations including that of visions of God and His glory. Still He didn't return physically back to earth at that time.

    We could also examine us as believers that have gone from death to life spiritually. ( 1 John 3:14). Our spirit man will be present with the Lord after we die so we in a sense will still be alive (as Moses and Elijah were taking with Christ-Elijah of course was translated and never died physically). Of course we will not die once He comes back either; a lot depends on what "tasting death" means. Since the verse says "some of you" it clearly does not indicate the final fulfillment when every eye shall see Him.

    If only the disciples heard it being said then the Transfiguration is a likely explanation; the cloud imagery could in some way relate to His second coming.

    Ultimately this is a tough verse; but as with anything else we cannot let it stand alone. We cannot accept that Christ has physically returned to earth yet; or those who think He has returned in some mystical way. ( Matthew 24:26-etc). There is no mistaking that event.
  • Alex N - In Reply on Luke 9 - 2 years ago
    Hiya Dora GBU....Yes I can explain that easily....When the Kingdom comes folks are gona be doing the works Jesus did and GREATER and the world is gonna see this and be DRAWN to Christs Kingdom wanting to forsake all and follow him...I WILL DRAW ALL MEN unto Me..meaning they are gona taste of DEATH impling selling everything and forsaking even their families....Remember Peter said we have forsaken all to follow you...Even the early Church sold everything and followed Jesus...And divided all their goods to everybody and anybody which is Death to their carnal minds that loves materialistic things and This life and wife and Children...The H.G. is gonna Regenerate himself in humanity...causing folks to DIE to the things of this world...Scripture says the slain of the Lord will be many....Outta of his mouth goes a Sharp Sword and he will smite the nations.

    .....Jesus said he that loveth wife or Children more then me is not worthy of me....or MY kingdom...We will ALL taste of death and enjoy it...The manchild is the H.G. The Kingdom that is gonna be born in everybody and rule all this world... Joel 2 :28 I will pour out of my Spirit on ALL flesh...Your sons and daughterS are gonna prophesy....Even our Children are gona be DRAWN UNTO HIM...The whole family is gona be saved....If i be lifted up I will draw all men unto me...Thus all men will gladly taste of death for his KINGDOM.

    .....Jesus said if a man forsake not all that he has he cannot be my disciple which is death to our carnal minds that loves materialistic things this life and family...homes etc...Money in the bank etc...Remember what Paul said I have suffered the LOSS OF ALL THINGS AND COUNT THEM BUT DUNG THAT I MIGHT WIN CHRIST ETC...Paul had died to the Flesh

    .....Don't worry whats impossible with mans is possible with God.
  • Josh Robinson - In Reply on Luke 9 - 2 years ago
    Good day, Jesus after this event gave a glimpse of the future and the kingdom to John before he died which is the book of Revelation. There exists also the apocalypse of Peter which is not part of the 66 books, nor the Apocrypha.

    Also to note the following verses have Jesus taking Peter, 1/2 brother James, and John on a sojourn to pray where they SAW Moses and Elijah and Heard a voice from heaven as our Lord was transfigured.

    Respectfully,
  • Suze - In Reply on Luke 9 - 2 years ago
    There be some standing here , those words are key , Jesus was talking about some one who was stood nearby listening to him . When you read the book of Acts and the account is Stephens death , you will see that this incident exactly fits with what Jesus says . This is why it's important to read the whole Bible , Old and New , any questions you have , the answers will be in there some where , you have to be patient and persistent in your reading and read the words carefully . Often the simplest answer is the correct one , enjoy it as it all unfolds for you , much love in Christ .
  • Suze - In Reply on Luke 9 - 2 years ago
    Hi Dora , I believe that this verse refers to Stephen in the book of Acts . Read the account of his death and you will see why I think that . Every question that the Bible poses it answers , you just have to keep reading .
  • Doug - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Considering the context it could be referring to those who think they are one of Christ's (alive),but only realize they spiritually dead when Christ returns. Other scriptures to support this thought. Matthew 7:22,23 "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity". Matthew 25:11,12 "Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not". In both scriptures they thought he was their Lord. Interesting that one of the verses he said he "never knew them". It wasn't that they knew him and then fell away.
  • Adam - In Reply on Luke 9 - 2 years ago
    Hi Dora,

    Good question. I can offer an opinion on this topic.

    I think it means that when Jesus returns or otherwise at the end of the world those who are alive will not taste death, because they're still alive and haven't died yet, and then the Christ followers will see the kingdom of God.

    The phrase some standing here could mean people in the future may be standing in that same spot when Jesus returns. I saw that the basic English Bible interprets it as some who were standing there with Jesus (back then) wouldn't die before they see the kingdom of God. I think the former interpretation makes more sense.

    There's a similar verse 1 Thessalonians 4:14-17 that refers to the dead as those asleep. It says the dead in Christ will rise first, then those who are alive will then be caught up in the air with Jesus. Some call this event a rapture.

    Matthew 24:36-42 is another passage describing these end time events. God bless...



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