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  • Fabian TAIMABRI on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    Genesis !: 27 , God creates man in his image

    Genesis 2: 7 God formed man from dust and breath life into man.

    In Genesis 1, man appears to be collective for both male and female.

    In Genesis 2, man appears to be male and the female was then formed from the man.

    Please enlighten me on these two sets of people?

    Thank you.
  • Adolphus Greer - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    I know all of that. I was just making a general idea in my mind that that helps my understanding, God willing.
  • EmethAlethia - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    Read 1 Co. 11:3-8 first. Then come back....

    Man, not man and women, was created first. Woman was created from the man, for the man.

    There is no man/woman single being hermaphrodite in Scripture. They are completely seperate. In creation, purpose, goals/reason for existence.

    I believe you are confused because the Genesis account jumps from a general description of Gods creation of everything including "mankind" ( both man, Adam, and eve, woman, to the specifics of their seperate creation, and the fall.
  • Adolphus Greer - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    Gee whiz give me a chance I am just in the first chapter of Genesis. I think I understand what you are saying. One can generalize man and woman by just Man.
  • T. Levis - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    Hello Fabian TAIMABRI,

    Genesis 1:27, notice: Genesis 1:26,28,29,

    Genesis 2:7, interestingly here "formed, breathed life" is this symbolic of the Church the body of Christ to come? John 12:25, Genesis 3:22, John 5:26, John 5:24, John 3:36, John 6:48,54, Titus 1:2, Romans 8:6, John 5:39,

    Is chapter 2, symbolic of the stewardship of GOD's Church? Genesis 2:15, Matthew 20:8, Luke 12:42, Mark 12,

    Back to Genesis 1, "man appears to be collective for both" yes in name like human, humanity, humankind "man"

    see even more interesting = Genesis 5:2,

    GOD says distinctly female & male Genesis 1:27,

    It appears it could be those created to multiply, fill the earth, subdue were away from the presence of GOD, again seeming to point to the symbolism in the garden "in the presence of GOD " His church. Genesis 3:8, Genesis 3:23-24, Genesis 4:14-16,

    Genesis 2:17, spiritual death? Matthew 8:22, Luke 9:60, Matthew 22:32, Matthew 23:27,

    In the forming of Eve, it appears also specific, spiritual & special with symbolism, Genesis 2:21-25, Genesis 6:1-3, Mark 10:4-9, 1Corinthians 6:15, Revelation 21:2,9, Isaiah 62:5, John 3:29-36, Matthew 22, Luke 12:36, Ephesians 5:30-32,

    1Corinthians 13:9-12, James 1:5, Ephesians 3:4,

    Hopefully these are all helpful
  • Fabian TAIMABRI - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Thank you
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    Hey Fabian,

    First, I would like to say one truth that cannot be misinterpreted, or overlooked, after the flood all mankind are descendants of Adam and Eve. There was 1656 years from the creation of Adam to the flood and only 5 chapters of Genesis, a lot of things are not written. Tradition strongly holds Adam was the first man and says chapter 2 is a closer look of man in day six.

    There are two Adams in scripture the first one was disobedient the last one was obedient, and the last Adam was manifested to undo the works of the devil. Was the first Adam part of this plan that Satan had no clue? Is that what the tradition overlooks? We see in 1 Corinthians 15:47 Adam was the first man, but it also says Jesus was the second man. Romans 5:14 the first Adam was a figure of the one to come.

    Does scripture line up with the tradition of Adam and Eve being the male and female in day six without questions? The herbs and fruit trees in day 3 are seed yielding, they would reproduce themselves with no cultivation needed, all animals and man ate plants. In chapter 2 the plants were of the field they had to be cultivated, a garden has to be planted and tilled to grow.

    In day 5 the fowls came out of the water. In chapter 2 there were fowls formed out of the ground and brought to Adam. Are they the same fowls? In day 6 the beast and cattle of the earth before man, in chapter 2 beast and cattle of the field after Adam. Are they the same? Look at the description of the words earth and field.

    In day 6 man was told to be fruitful and multiply, fill the earth and have dominion over every living thing upon the earth. Could Adam and Eve obey these commandments from inside the garden?

    There is more I could say, the only thing that cannot be denied mankind are descendants of Adam and the last Adam Jesus is from the line of Adam through Seth.

    What would it change if Adam was not the first human? Nothing. Do we strain at a gnat and swallow a camel?

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Chris - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    Hi Fabian. Not two sets of people here. Though you're correct that Genesis 1:26,27 speaks generally about the creation of man & woman (showing the order of God's creative Work for each day of creation). But when we get to chapter 2, we read first that God rested on the seventh day "from all his work which God created and made." In other words, all of God's creative Work completed in those six days & so in chapter 2, verses 4 onwards, expands on a part of that creative work in chapter 1.

    Genesis 2:4, "These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens". "Generations" in the Hebrew can also mean 'account, order of begettings'. So in chapter 2, we're reading more detail of chapter 1, specific to the development of mankind. In Genesis 1:11,12, we read that God created the plants, but it seems that they were still sub-terranean, until man was created to till the ground & the mist sent by God to water them, then they began to grow. And of course, we read that man needed someone to help him & be a companion to him, hence the creation of Eve.

    So, I read Genesis chapter 2 as an expansion of Genesis chapter 1 (the sixth day of creation), highlighting the need for cultivation & tending of God's plants, which man was appointed to do. Of course, mankind would eventually do much much more than being confined to farming work, but for Adam & Eve at that time, that was their sole responsibility.
  • Fabian TAIMABRI - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    Thank you Chris ....and God bless
  • Adam - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    Hello,

    There aren't two sets of people. Some confuse broad overview statements with detailed statements. For example, if someone told me "I was just in a car wreck! Someone hit me from the rear and broke my fender."

    I could say to that person, "You were in two car wrecks? You just said you were already in a wreck in sentence 1, then in sentence 2 someone else hit you from the rear? Are you being truthful?"

    And some use this assumption to falsely discredit the Bible. The misunderstanding is in how people deliver information. For instance Gen 1:1 is an overall thesis type statement of what happened. A broad overview. Then it goes back into detail of how it happened. Someone could use this to falsely assume that God was already done creating in verse 1, then proceeded to create even more earths. I hope you understand the point I am making about how people present information in a broad overview and then detail. It does not mean it is more than one thing, but a method of how people convey info. This occurs through the Bible- many examples. It also occurs in most stories and books. God bless.
  • Fabian TAIMABRI - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    Thank you Adam and God bless
  • WHAT JESUS GIVES TO US (TO FABIAN) - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible.

    Read slow. An event may be written in chapter 1, and more added in the next chapter.

    Adams name means Man, in Hebrew.

    Eve's name defines in Hebrew, man with a womb.

    He was Formed from dust. She was Made from a rib.

    Nothing is said about Adam being made with a womb inside of him.

    It's easier to understand if we pay close attention to what God was doing (verbs). He created, He formed, He made, He took, He blew the breath of life, He spoke

    I had to learn that in Genesis; not to speed read.

    We need to follow bloodlines through a Genealogy charts.

    As it is done now, people reuse the same names. Jesus's bloodline was through Adam & Eve's 3rd son, Seth.

    Someday a human baby would be born and called Immanuel (GOD WITH US). By the time we get to Luke 1, here we see that Mary consents to the plan of the Godhead (LET US, in Genesis 1:26) She is overshadowed by the Holy Spirit. Joseph was not the body father. He and Mary had no relations; they waited until AFTER the birth of Jesus.

    Jesus was fully God (Godhead; Romans 1:20), and fully human. He had DNA.

    Why did it happen this way? EARTH WAS CREATED FOR MAN. Only humans can have dominion on earth. Satan had no dominion to be on earth. He had no body and took a serpents body to tempt Adam and Eve. Adam lost the dominion to satan.

    On the Cross, Jesus won back that dominion and gave it back to humans. He gave His Believers (Christians) also, His Power and Authority to speak, heal, raise the dead, lead to salvation; BIND the activity of satan in human lives. If we aren't taught that, we live like orphans and get entangled in sin, frequently.

    If our lives hurt, are confused, addicted to alcohol, drugs, porn, etc. Either we are not saved at all, or do not know what we have as believers in Jesus.

    Ephesians 6, our satanic enemies are invisible. "Their fruit" exposes them: confusion, fear, torments, hatred, envy, they are illegal on earth!!
  • Sandi - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    People created here on Earth (human/mortal) & Celestial beings (Original/immortal)
  • D W L - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    Read it again it's very simple and plain. God made Adam then took a rib from Adam and made woman a male and female. To be his helpmate, and told them to be fruitful and MULTIPLY.

    Not being smart but it's so simple. Bless you
  • Street preacher - In Reply on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    Jesus loves you, and so do I, brother!

    :)



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