Bible Discussion Thread

Gi Gi you do greatly err....Jesus said John baptised you with water but i will baptise you with the H.G. and fire...What Jesus did at Calvary was a New Covenant in his blood....There was no water involved....It was Peter that was commanding water baptism after the Cross...That New COVENANT IN HIS BLOOD which was also the Great Promise baptism....Water was neva the great Promise baptism...Thats y the lord was so upset with Peter commanding water baptism...When God Almighty had just offfered up his only son for the sins of the world...behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world...the blood of that New covenant...Here comes Peter commanding water baptism as if the Blood of that New covenant was insufficient. And unholy

......All the unclean animals in that sheet was the Church, humanity that was made clean by the Blood of the lamb of God not water baptism that Peter was commanding....Thats y God was so upset with Peter rebuking Peter 3 times with that sheet with all the unclean animals...Which is the world that was made clean by the blood of the lamb...Not by water baptism which was fine b/f the Cross...But after the CROSS IT WAS A NEW COVENANT IN HIS BLOOD....This is the New COVENANT in my blood drink ye all of it...For the sins of the world...John gave us water baptism but John said that Jesus had sandles that he was not worthy to unloose...meaning the new covenant in his blood that no man cd look on....God tells Peter 3 times what I have made clean do not call common or unclean by...( commanding water baptism to make these ppl clean )..A Slap in the face of God and the lamb of God is tells folks that need water baptism after he shed his blood for humanity .

......Thats y Paul was so reluctant to preach water baptism...In one place PAUL SAID I THANK GOD THAT I BAPTISED NONE OF YOU....Paul knew that water baptism wd make the blood of this New COVENANT OF NONE EFFECT...Even in the O.T. without the shedding of blood there was not remisison of sins..

Alex,

It is Jesus who comes with the beast army to deliver the abomination of desolation, to lay the land of ISRAEL desolate (BOTH HOUSES). The whole house of Israel will be baptized by fire. God says "the attack is against MY PEOPLE", Ezekiel 21:7

I'm afraid you sinners have no idea what's coming, no idea that Jesus is coming for your souls. Christians only talk a good surface game, never knowing their identity, and are groomed to never expect the hell on earth that's coming, because that's what we dish out to our weak enemies.

Ezekiel 38:1-17 describes the destruction of modern day ISRAEL, and Revelation 18 describes the destruction of Babylon. They both describe the same end-time event as they are one in the same!!! It doesn't take a scholar to figure out who will be attacking who, who is the hammer of the earth, and who gives up the ghost. It is the sons of Joseph who are in serious trouble.

OK Joe... Thanks for your input Gbu

Alex,

John 13:34-35, Romans 12:10, 1Timothy 5:1-2,

I felt led to address the phrase you used when addressing GiGi. It was a phrase use by Jesus when addressing the Sadducees, who appearing to twist the story from Tobit, because it clearly says "before they had lien with her". Tobit 3:8, Jesus went on to rebuke & say Mark 12:24,27 Also in Matthew 22:29,

James 1:16-27, Galatians 5:15-26,

Let's us try to be kinder, not bitey

Dear T. Levi

I am not offended by Alex telling me I err greatly. I think the same of him in the view he promoted on this thread. But what does bother me is when one can tell someone they err and then be upset when another says the same of them. We all should be willing to be reproved. And if we think we are not in error, then we should explain why we think we have presented a viewpoint that agrees with Scripture. This is the part of dialoguing and I do want those on this forum to be free to agree and disagree with each other.

Gi Gi ...1 Cor.. 1:17 ....Paul said for Christ sent me not to Baptise ( with water ) but to preach the gospel Lest the Cross the (BLOOD ) should be made of none effect....Water baptism is in essence saying that this new blood Covenant was not Needed..ALL we need is water baptism for the remission of sins...verse 18...For the preaching of the Cross ( the blood ) This new covenant is to them that perish FOOLISHNESS....They think that this new blood covenant is not needed...All they think they need is water baptism...All that bloody Cross ( Calvary ) is just Foolishness....But unto us who are saved ( THE BLOOD ) it is the POWER OF GOD. Not water baptism.

.....After that Peter understood the vision he says then remembered i the words of our LORD, John baptised you with water but i will baptise you with the H.G. and fire... Acts 11 : 16...Peter remembered what Jesus had said about baptism of the H.G...3 Times it is recorded in the New Testament....John baptised you with water but i will baptise you with the H.G. and fire....Which is that baptism of PROMISE....When Jesus said behold i send the Promise of my father upon you it was baptism of the H.G. Not water baptism.

....The Kingdom cannot come with water baptism...The Kingdom can only come via the New Covenant....The blood of the lamb...Jesus said that this is my blood of the New Covenant drink ye all of it...The Kingdom can only come via the woman and her Children....That New Birth as Jesus said unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....But the woman cannot give birth till the book is opened which is that New COVENANT His Blood

.....Thats when they sang a new SONG simply b/c that book is the New Covenant that he wrote with is own blood...There is not even a mention of water baptism in the book of Revelation.. Only baptism that is mentioned is the blood of the lamb.

......Once ya understand the ENORMITY of the CROSS his BLOOD you will neva mention water baptism again..

The people were water baptized in the book of Acts & not in titles. There's a lot of scriptures in the New Testament on water baptism. Even Cornelius was water baptized & he was not a jew, he already had the infilliing of the Holy Ghost. The thief on the cross was under the old covenant. Bible says the parting of the red sea was a type of water baptism. Same w Noahs Ark. It's all in the bible.

Peter spoke the truth.

Matthew 16: Jesus said to Peter, "I will give unto thee the keys to the kingdom of heaven & whatever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven:& whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven".

Therefore Peter was NOT in error. I do not see where the Lord was angry w Peter about baptizm.

The epistles from Romans -Jude were written to the people that came from the book of Acts. The epistles are NOT written the the World. Obey the new testament salvation message then go forward into the epistles & continue to learn.

(Paul did water baptize some)

Mari lyn,

thank you again for sharing

I can confirm this, the same Mighty and High Spirit, that came to Cornelius, and to all his!

has come to you also, and to all yours!,

in JESUS most high name

While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.

And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost.

For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God. Then answered Peter,

EVEN SIMON PETER WATER BAPTISED, CEPHAS THE ROCK, ON WHOM THE FOUNDATION OF THE CHURCH IS BUILT. Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of GOD.

Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

Thank You JESUS for Mari lyn

Become all our Father has for you Mari lyn

Faithful is He that calleth thee, who also will do it

Glory to GOD our Father, and blessed is His glorious name for ever.

I thank our LORD JESUS for your comment.

I agree with you.

If a man loves Me,

he will keep My words,

And My Father will love him,

And We will come unto him,

and make our abode with him

And I also agree, When we seek, water baptism is found.

If a man loves our LORD JESUS , who first loved us, he keeps the WORD of GOD,

and he will find, seek Ye FIRST! And he will seek what is first.

For why would our LORD say to Nicomdemus, in John chapter 3,

Verily verily I say unto thee, unless a man be born of water, and of the Spirit,

He can not enter the kingdom of GOD.

Concerning Peter,

We must read the whole chapter, and the truth is easy to see, when we seek what we are told to seek.

So we see, the vision Peter had, speaks nothing of baptism , in any way at all.

The man that came to Peter, is Cornelius, and He is from the Italian band, a whole different nation.

Acts 10:28

And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Peters vision is of Jew and Gentile

Remain blessed in our JESUS.

our Father continually direct your path,

and give you strength to acknowledge Him in all your ways.

Our Father LIVES in His PRAISES,

PERFECT PRAISE

Blessed be the beautiful name of JESUS

HALLELUJAH GLORY BE TO GOD FOR EVER

Well Alex, Once again I greatly disagree with your interpretation of Scripture and the events of Peter on the rooftop with the vision of unclean foods and with Paul's view of water baptism. Peter went on to go to the home of Cornelius and he did water baptize Cornelieus and the whole household as the Spirit had led him to do. He also laid hands upon the new believers to receive the Holy Spirit. The vision was to show Peter that the Gospel of salvation is for the Gentiles as well as the Jews. Jews considered Gentiles to be unclean, like the foods in the sheet that came down in the vision. God was telling Peter to not despise or refuse to go to the Gentiles with the Gospel, but to welcome them into the fellowship of believers instead. God was calling the Gentiles clean and on the same level as the Jews. Both are in need of salvation and the Gospel should be delivered to all people without being a "respecter of persons", considering some people (Jews) more deserving of salvation than others (Gentiles).

Paul was obedient to the Holy Spirit and was baptized in water by Ananias. He never wrote anywhere that water baptism made the blood of Christ of no avail. You are adding to Scripture when you say Paul said this or believed it. And you are misinterpreting Acts 10 concerning Peter's vision. It was not a rebuke, but a calling to go to the Gentiles, therefore a change of thinking was needed for peter to be know to it was permissible to associate with Gentiles.

Amen GiGi,

Very well stated, and I totally agree with you.

It seems that many people get confused when interpreting Paul's writings. Paul preached the same gospel as Jesus, and Paul does NOT cancel anything that Jesus already stated in His Gospel, nor in His commands - including water baptism. I have observed that Paul has a way with his words that sometimes creates confusion, regarding interpretation, whereas there is usually NO confusion with the words that Jesus speaks!

Paul can NOT cancel any words that Jesus previously stated - including the command for baptism.

Yes, Peter was highly regarded by Jesus, and was instructed along with all of the apostles to go out in the world to preach "The Gospel" and "baptize believers" for the forgiveness of sins, and to receive the Holy Spirit.

Those that feel they can ignore the words that Jesus spoke, including His commands to us, should really read and contemplate on this scripture by Jesus:

Matthew 24:35

"Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away."

GBU

Amen, its whats being taught today in 80 percent of Churchs, C.I scofieldism, dispensationalist right division, Israel futurism doctrines, which deny Christ while confessing Christ, people don't realize they deny Christ first coming and the finish work of Christ on the cross, including the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. which is the obsession with a physical earthly future for national Israel, not only do they deny Christ but they replace him with Antichrist.. bad stuff

Skipping ahead a bit. Non-resistance was left back at Babylon if the half week did not meet the destruction of Jerusalem.

Thanks Alex , that's so interesting to me , the bit about the sheet with all the unclean animals in it , I hadn't ever applied that to humans , you have given me food for thought , which is exactly what this site should be for smiley face .

GBU SUZE....Yes all the unclean animals in that sheet was Humanity that was made clean by the blood of the lamb of God not water baptism lest our Lord shed his blood in vain.

.....Thats y God told PETER in that vision what I ME GOD ALMIGHTY HAS MADE CLEAN BY THE BLOOD OF MY SON DO NOT CALL COMMON OR UNLCEAN....By commanding water baptism for the remission of sins ..God was very upset with Peter to even mention water baptism after Jesus had shed his blood for Humanity...Peter didn't realize the enormity the vastness of the Cross that New COVENANT in Jesus blood for the sins of the world...If water cd have made us clean then our lord shed his blood in vain and the Cross was just foolishness.

.....God was trying to tell Peter what i have made clean ( by my blood ) ..do not call common or unclean..This Crucifixion of Christ was the greatest event to ever hit this planet...Mankind will be talking about this great New Covenant in Christ blood for millions of yrs to come....In Adam we all died but in Christ blood we will all live....Even in the O.T. which was a shadow of things to come without the shedding of blood there was no remisison of sins...

....I know that Peter was a great man of God but somethings are best left untended...Remember Uzzah wanted to help God when the ozen stumbled...But Uzzah should have kept his hands off of the ark...Peter should have not said anything about water baptism as God was making a New Covenant in CHRIST BLOOD.

...Peter should have been in the streets preaching behold the lamb of God that taketh away the sins of the world....thank you Jesus....Not commanding water baptism at a time like this when Jesus was shedding his blood for Humanity....love ya suze GBU

Peter did right by God with water baptisms, water was his prescribed tool. End time Jesus is saying since you people are incorrigible, and your faith is weak as water, that now He will baptize you with fire so you can't sin anymore. Dead men don't sin. Don't forget how God finished off the house of Israel, and the house of Judah with brutal captivities, 721 BC, 604 BC, respectively. God will again temporarily finish us off, forging us through the fire, and for your own good. What you've done to others will be done unto you, and to the double, Revelation 18:6 If it takes 15 Sarmat missiles to defeat you, they will use 30.

Water too will be involved as the Russians have a deadly ocean weapon called Poseidon, which can create a 160 foot tsunami wave, reaching 1,000 miles inland, covering the land with radioactive ocean water, Revelation 12. Mystery Babylon's inhabitants won't understand why they are being attacked, nor will they know where it comes from. I look forward to it, to get it over with, to kill the evil that is us so we can fulfill our destiny.

Thank you Alex , I've just read Acts so won't be reading it again for a while but I will surely keep your post in mind as I continue studying , much love in Christ , thank you again , you always get me thinking and I love that about you .

Just a reminder Alex that at the cross there flowed out blood and water. 1 John 5:6-8 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one. Hope this gives some clarification.

I read it is the Word that is the seed that we are born again with. Parable of the sower. 1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever. James 1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures. Water and the Spirit to Nicodemus. Water being the Word.

Doug thanks your for your input...But at the cross when they pierced him out came the blood and the water which is indicative of a birth ...Thats Y Zech. is saying they shall look on me whom they have Pierced etc...Smite the shephard and the sheep will be scattered...Then i will turn my hand to the lil ones...The babes and sucklings that are the result of his Death...When a seed dies it multiplies...Thus our new birth is the result of his death....We cannot be born again without a good seed...But there wd have been no seed had he not died...Jesus told the Greeks unless a seed dies it abides alone...But if it dies it will bring forth much fruit...In that Christ died he will be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Thus we will all be bornagain of an incorruptible seed ..Thus the blood and the water is indicative of a birth....As Zech. says he is our 1st born our only son...They shall look on me whom they have Piecered...thus the blood and the water....

.....But this does not negate what God told Peter...what i have made clean ( by the blood ) do not call common or unclean....By commanding water baptism for the remission of sins....3 times the lord rebuked Peter with that sheet with all the unclean animals which is the Church humanity that was made clean by the blood of the lamb...Not water baptism....That sheet was knit at the 4 corners The Cross the blood is knit in the 4 gospels...That New covenant in his blood....ok GBU

Doug, thanks so much for this verse. I knew I had heard or read it before but did not remember where it was stated in Scripture.

Appreciate your contribution.

Alex,since you repeated your misinterpretation of Peter's vision in Acts 20, I will refer anyone reading your post to my reply to you as I believe that you are absolutely wrong in your interpretation of this event and in God's interactions with Peter. The Lord was never angry or rebuking Peter. Your interpretation adds to Scripture. Paul was not speaking against baptism and he did not say that baptism makes the blood of Christ to no avail. He was speaking of fulfilling his own personal call to preach the Gospel and that if he did not preach the Gospel as directed to him by the Holy Spirit then so many would not get an opportunity to hear the Gospel preached and therefore, the cross of Christ, though an actual event, would have no effect on those who could not her the Gospel. Paul's comment was not about disavowing baptism, but about being singularly focused on this calling. He left others he had placed in the churches to oversee the believers to do thee baptizing. You are very wrong in your viewpoint.

oops, I meant Acts 10.

Thanks GiGi for your explanation. I agree will your interpretation of the account. There is no mention of blood in the account and it seems foolish God would give Peter this revelation and not the understanding of His will by baptizing with water.

Thanks Doug,

have a good evening.