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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 195907

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  • Wina on Genesis 3 - 2 years ago
    Was the serpent (snake) originally a full height "scales-and-all" dragon before the Lord made His judgement call on him? He was obviously upright prior to the deception of Adam and Eve. Satan is referred to as the dragon in various scriptures, so is that a far leap to make?
  • How Lucifer Became Satan_Used a Serpents Body To Trick Eve - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 2 years ago
    Isaiah 28: talking of Lucifer (Satan)

    13 Thou hast been in EDEN the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.

    14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

    15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, UNTIL iniquity was found in thee.

    16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

    17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

    18 Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee.

    COMMENT: Lucifer was the covering Cherub in charge of praise and worship of God. He coveted that praise for himself; and led a rebellion in heaven. He was cast out of Heaven by Michael. Lucifer lost his name. He became Satan. He was not human as I said. Earth was created for HUMANS only. Satan used a serpents body to speak to Eve, and tempt her. His goal was to steal Adams Dominion as a Human. Eve ate the fruit and it was all over. What God gave to Adam, now Satan possessed it; until Jesus shed his blood on the Cross.

    Satan didn't have his jewels. His Evil invisible spirit took a snakes body. Eph. 6
  • Gods of this world - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 2 years ago
    Wina

    Satan walks upright on two legs today, the same as in the time of Adam and Eve.

    Who is the most subtil of all the beast of the field that God hath made, that walks on two legs?

    Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.

    Job 1:7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord and said, from walking to and fro in the earth, and walking up and down in it.

    2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go number Israel and Judah.

    1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

    Ephesians 2:2 Wherein time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air (Satan), the spirit that now worketh in the children of obedience:

    Matthew 12:28 But if I CAST OUT (of you) devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come unto you.

    Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was CAST OUT, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world was CAST OUT ......

    Colossians 1:27 ....this mystery .....Christ in you.

    God Bless You.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Genesis 3 - 2 years ago
    You know, Wina, Genesis does not give us a vivid description of the serpent who tempted Eve first and then Adam. But this serpent is identified elsewhere in Scripture as the dragon. I don't recall him called a dragon. So perhaps he is the only one or one of many who were created to serve God around His throne. I don't think He would be a physical dragon with matter, atoms, etc, because he is a spiritual being. But, knowing that angels have visited people in the Bible and they looked like men and had a body that could be seen, touched, and participate in human activities such as sleep and eat, perhaps Satan likewise could take on a physical form. It is clear from other scriptural descriptions of Satan that he was the most beautiful being God created. He was adorned with many features that made him very different from any other description of any other spiritual being.

    So, I cannot say of the form of a dragon is Satan's normal natural presentation or if he dons the form of a dragon when he interacts with mankind. I cannot say that dragon is the only form he ever takes, as there are references to him being an angel of light and a morning star.

    Most ideas of dragons are legends passed down from within cultures. It is interesting that so many cultures have dragon emblems and carvings in their ancient artwork and worship images. And this cult of dragon ideas is still present in many of these cultures. I ask these questions: were dragons part of the natural physical creation-a real life creature? Did Satan possess a dragon in the Garden of Eden when he tempted Eve and Adam? Did dragons live all over the world and eventually become extinct? Or were dragons simply mythical? Or were dragons the natural form of spiritual beings that rebelled with Satan?

    We will have to wait until heaven to find out about this, I think, unless science discovers something that shows that they actually were part of the animal kingdom from the time of creation.



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