Bible Discussion Thread

Roman Catholics use the KJV bible and Roman Catholics are not a cult. Some of you may not believe that Mary, Mother of Jesus Christ, was venerated by Jesus but she was and should be venerated. Many people do and they are not all RC's. This a strange place where people call themselves Christians,yet call other Christian Religions cults. Theyre are religious cults but most of them have sprung to life in the last 100 to 200 hundred years. 1914 comes to mind, but I am a Christian and I am a Roman Catholic, so I will not call other religions names, nor their followers. You who do have to search your soul to see if your feelings are generated by unfounded hate, misinformation, or some other emotion/understanding. God loves everyone and you should copy him. Mary has many reported sightings in different countries and centuries.

James, brother in Faith of Jesus Christ our Savior

John 13:34,35, Matthew 22:39, we all are to love one another

James 1:27, 2Timothy 2:24, Catholic have hospitals for wounded, known for helping widows & orphans, yet we all should be humbly teachable

Matthew 25:31-46,

Romans 14:4, GOD will judge ultimately, Romans 14:12,

These scriptures alert me: Jeremiah 7:18, Jeremiah 44:17-30 not to worship Queen of heaven, not to give offering either,

Matthew 23:9, call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father which is in heaven. Matthew 23, please read whole chapter, it actually corrects several Christian churches & leadership titles.

John 14:6, Acts 4:10-12,

1Timothy 4:1-3, false to teach forbidding to marry, 1Corinthians 7:28, 1Corinthians 7:2-6, by leaving these out of teaching & allowing into ministry, only the supposed abstainer may have perpetrated the horrible stain in that part of the Church today.

Hopefully these are helpful in this discussion

Hi James. You've raised subjects which cannot be dealt with adequately in a small comment section. But to the naming of cults & sects, please remember that these titles are not given lightly - people have had to study in great depth the organization, beliefs, practises, & control that groups have over their adherents. In other words, one must first have a body of Truth which becomes the primary & only measurement of one's own beliefs & practises & also that of another. And that body of Truth is the Bible. Now, the reason we have so many Christian groups, Churches, cults & sects, is because each one understands the Bible differently & desires to apply those beliefs to their adherents.

Maybe, you're thinking, 'why should another person's beliefs warrant a 'branding' by someone else?' Well, that might be true if you don't care about Truth, or care little about teachings & deceptions that others face - I don't exactly how you feel about this. And this is why we have such a medium as this (King James Bible Online), so that we might discuss the Bible, search through it to help in our learning, & just put it 'out there' for others to consider the arguments presented. I don't think we seek to denigrate a group particularly, since their beliefs are what they are, but when we bring the Scriptures to light, then error is exposed. If by doing this we are in error, then we would expect that the one finding fault will be studied sufficiently to provide a biblical water-tight argument to support his belief & expose our error. After all, we're all learning & should have the spirit to consider other points of view, but measured against given Truth. If the Bible is not our yardstick, then Truth no longer matters, salvation is not an issue, the eternity of the soul is of little consequence.

You've shared on the 'veneration of Mary by Jesus'. I would like to know where the Lord venerated His Mother? I only know Gabriel & Elizabeth spoke of Mary being blessed of all women ( Luke 1).

I do not pretend, nor think I know the mind of my Father, so I will not argue this. I do know that many of us will be surprised after life on earth how much we did not know about our Father's thoughts and wishes. If anyone knows for sure, step right up, and tell me. It is not what JWs, Catholics, Jews, Lutherans, Episcopals, et al believes, it is attacking other religions, because one is arrogant enough to think they have all the information and know what is right and wrong. Attacking another's beliefs in the One God, Our Father, is not what Jesus would do. I don't know if Jesus venerated his mother to others satisfaction, but he did to my satisfaction. Even Muslims hold Mary in a special place. BTW, RC's have ties to the life of Jesus and interpreting while translating the bible does not work for me. Do not complicate the love of God, either his of us, or of anyone who believes and loves Him.

Definition of venerate

transitive verb

1: to regard with reverential respect or with admiring deference

2: to honor (an icon, a relic, etc.) with a ritual act of devotion

You're right on that point, "I do know that many of us will be surprised after life on earth how much we did not know about our Father's thoughts and wishes." There's is so, so much more to know about the Divinity, of eternity, even of life itself - all that is kept from our knowledge, and maybe for good reason. Even as Isaiah spoke of the LORD in Isaiah 55:8,9, "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."

But what the LORD has given us to know is found in His Word. He expects us to read, study & apply its blessed Truths to our lives, to the Church, & be able to discern truth from error. As I type this note to you, my wife is watching a program (a series) about those who found release from the Church of Scientology & their exposition of the evils therein. Is this wrong for such a program to go on air? Some might think so. But if it means giving out the warning to someone about to be seduced & made twice the candidate for hell, I say, 'proclaim it far & wide' & may the alert go out to stop many more in their tracks.

And if this is too close to home, consider the ministry of Jesus & His Apostles: their continued work of exposing the sin of mankind, the evils of the Jewish religious leaders, & then reaching out far beyond Jerusalem with the life-giving Gospel of Jesus Christ. Maybe they should have formed a small coterie, sheltered from all the evil around them, & saved themselves much hatred, persecution & violent deaths. But they would have disobeyed God's Call & burden on their hearts. Yes, they had to make judgement on people (religious or not), knowing that all men had to have the opportunity to hear the Truth - for only the Truth could set men free. Were they attacking another's religion, or were they sending out a warning & giving out God's Truth? We hate no man - but hate Satan's deceptions.