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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 196459

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  • Snlopez on Genesis 19 - 2 years ago
    Why, if Lot was a good man, he offers his own daughters to be taken instead of the visitors?

    What father, in their right mind would give their daughters to a mob of man?

    Why did lot mock when he spoke to his sons in law?

    What kind of daughters were these to do what they did to their father?
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply on Genesis 19 - 2 years ago
    An attempt for further response to the question.

    Question #1-It is entirely possible that Lot knew that there weren't any men who were actually interested in women anymore; hence it was either a stalling tactic or meant to show some sort of accommodation in order to save his own life or perhaps keep the son in laws from being attacked. We shouldn't forget Lot's original desire to go the fertile valley which was visually appealing. Clearly; the men were called in because Lot was familiar with this type of behavior; perhaps he had tried this before.

    It is obvious for the sake of his own family he should have left there a long time before that; and more so since Abraham would have been there to support him if necessary. It also should be noted that Lot's wife isn't mentioned in this account which seems odd as well. We need to keep in mind how it is stated that Lot was "vexed with the evil" ( 2 Peter 2:7-8). He chose apparently not to speak out so the world's riches for a time had paralyzed him. (also answers question #2).

    Question #3-Actually; it was the other way around; his son in laws acted like he was mocking them; they took it lightly. They were probably too comfortable there as well; certainly they didn't harbor a fear of the Lord as THEY were not mentioned either as trying to stop the mob; clearly something was amiss there.

    Question #4. The other comment is good with reasoning and scriptures. We need to remember; that first of all these women had lost eligible men which likely took quite some time to find; and they may have thought the whole world was destroyed. They wanted children; without which at that time would make them sense they lost all value. It was also before Moses laws on marriage or relations with family and his wife was dead. Perhaps they thought almost all men had no interest in women anymore as well; living there. Not excusing it; but fear was their primary thought; not illicit sex for the fun of it.

    Question #3
  • Eljer777 - In Reply on Genesis 19 - 2 years ago
    Lots greed made him leave Abraham his uncle and a man of God. His greed made him do business with Sodom and eventually move there. He was a man of means and had some authority. He lived there for many years and raised and married off some daughters,no boys,but still had two girls at home. His wife almost certainly was from Sodom and grew up there. He apparently never witnessed to his family and he did not live a clean life hence his son in laws mocked him. The two girls grew up in the filth of Sodom and their morals were non existent. I suspect he wanted to leave but the wife would have none of it, she probably had all her family there. The reason I say that is Hebrews said it vexed his righteous soul being there. Also, keep in mind I think he rarely kept in touch with Abraham.
  • LOTS MISTAKE REARING HIS DAUGHTERS_Gen.18 - In Reply on Genesis 19 - 2 years ago
    I don't believe it's an oversight that God did not tell us the names of Lot's two daughters. Their story is inextricably linked to their father's actions and has implications not only for young people who find themselves in difficult situations, but a warning to every parent. It's a sad story in many ways, but also reveals God's merciful and redemptive character. We don't know their names because they could be any of us, were we to find ourselves in the similar circumstances.

    [Don't Underestimate the Power of a Sinful Environment to Sear the Conscience]

    In our modern culture, we are quick to judge these two young women and assure ourselves we would never resort to such desperate actions. We would be wise to learn from their experience.

    Lot's daughters had grown up in a city where sexual immorality was commonly accepted. They were engaged to young men who scoffed at God's warning. God told Abraham, "The outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah is indeed great, and their sin is exceedingly grave" ( Genesis 18:20). Apparently, there were not even ten righteous people in the city. Being surrounded by such influences had obviously seared the consciences of these two women; their idea to have sexual relations with their father seemed a logical and acceptable solution.

    Left to ourselves, the human heart is deceitful and desperately wicked ( Jeremiah 17:9). Without the restraining and redeeming influence of God's Word and His Holy Spirit, we can't imagine the depths of sin to which we might go. Lot had failed to teach his daughters the truth about who God is; they were simply acting in accordance with the lifestyle and knowledge they had been given.

    Titus 1:14 To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled.

    Deuteronomy 30

    [TEACH your children Bible morals]
  • Snlopez - In Reply on Genesis 19 - 2 years ago
    I appreciate your explanation. Very good. Thank you!
  • Suze - In Reply on Genesis 19 - 2 years ago
    Fab post Mishael , thank you .
  • Teaching our Kids the Bible - In Reply on Genesis 19 - 2 years ago
    The Book of Deuteronomy chapter 11 is the one I was remembering. It has all the verses about parents teaching their children the Bible.

    A lot of people ask about Lot and what he allowed to happen. I wonder why.

    This might be one to add to the new site for numerous posts on a subject. I have a folder in notes, called People of the Bible. Might be a good topic on the KJV room :D
  • Suze - In Reply on Genesis 19 - 2 years ago
    In those days there was no king in Israel , everyone did what was right in his own eyes , this isn't talking about the likes of David or Saul etc , this is referring to God I believe , He wasn't King in Israel's heart , that why there was so much craziness , a bit like now .



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