Bible Discussion Thread

Does the commandment, "remember the sabbath and keep it holy", apply only the jews as it is in the old testament? What does Jesus say about the sabbath?

Hi Phil.

Part 2.

Here's a similar argument between the Desciples in Acts 15:5-11. But there rose up certain of the sect of the Pharisees which believed, saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.

And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.

And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.

And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;

And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

NOW THEREFORE WHY TEMPT YE GOD, TO PUT A YOKE UPON THE NECK OF THE DISCIPLES, WHICH NEITHER OUR FATHERS NOR WE WERE ABLE TO BEAR?

But we believe that THROUGH THE GRACE OF THE LORD JESUS CHRIST WE SHALL BE SAVED,

( EVEN AS THEY.)

God bless.

Hi Phil.

I concur Steve.

The Law was given to Israel. The law given was to convict us of sin.

2 Corinthians 3:6-14.

Galatians 3:11-13.

Romans 7:4-5.

Romans 7:9-10.

Some aspects of the Law such as the Sabbath pointed to Christ work on the Cross that would free us from the curse of the Law. " Death"

Colossians 2:11-17.

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the SABBATH DAYS:

HERE'S. THE KEY IN VERSE 17.

Vs.17) "Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."

Israel "as a nation" regects Christ work on the cross so as of now the have yet to join in that rest.( Yet they honor the Sabbath!)

Please study Hebrews 4:2-11.

That rest comes after salvation. Not to obtain it.

If one wants to observe the sabbath go ahead, but if you do it to earn salvation you fall in the same unbelief as Israel.

The Galatians was warned of the same thing in Galatians 5:4. "Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace."

Salvation is not for sell its a gift. Ephesians 2:8-9. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

I hope this helps.

God bless.

well said "Amen!"

Heb 4:3 (KJV) For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

Heb 4:4 (KJV) For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.

Heb 4:5 (KJV) And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest.

Heb 4:6 (KJV) Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:

Heb 4:7 (KJV) Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

Heb 4:8 (KJV) For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

Your question needs rephrased.

Jesus was a Jew, lived under the Law and required his followers to follow the law.

So, of-course you could find verses to say keep the sabbath or the Law.

As was noted, Jesus fulfilled the law.

You cannot choose to keep the sabbath without keeping the WHOLE Law according to scripture.

Your question should have been: "What does Paul say about keeping the sabbath"

Jesus set Paul to the us (Gentiles) to lay out the doctrines of living in grace.

Paul tells us to not hold one day more important than another.

Paul tells us we are not under the Law.

When you have a doctrinal question about living to day, you must read Paul. (Rom-Philemon)

Jesus was ministering to Israel during his earthly ministry (Compare Rom 15:8 with Rom 15:16)

Jesus sent Paul to us.

Hi Steve,

Yes, Jesus did send Paul to preach Christs Gospel - not a different gospel!

Paul and all of the apostles observed God's 10 Commandments per the scriptures.

Paul and the Apostles taught both Jews and Gentiles to follow God's Commandments, including the 4th Commandment, Keep holy the Sabbath Day.

Acts 13:42

"And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath."

Acts 13:44

"And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God."

Under the "New Covenant" which is the Church of Jesus Christ, consists of Jews and Gentiles, and they are all treated the same! No difference. Remember the Gentiles were a wild olive tree. The believing Gentiles branches from the wild olive tree have been grafted into the original Jewish olive tree. Those that produce good fruit can stay in place and thrive. If a branch does not produce it is broken off and burned.

Jesus Christ asks us to keep the Commandments. John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments." How can we say we love Jesus, but then we don't try our best to follow the Commandments? The answer" You can't love Jesus and NOT keep "The Commandments"!

As Christian's (Christ Followers) we need to pick up our crosses and follow Jesus, and in doing so, pray that the Holy Spirit will help us along, in the ongoing struggle to follow all of Jesus/God's commands! This then, would be in conformance with the scripture, that show us that Paul, Peter, and all of the Apostles had their own personal struggles to follow and keep God's Commandments.

In summary, Paul does not cancel anything that Jesus taught and instructed in His Gospel.

GB you

Acts 13:42 and 44 in no way say Paul commanded to keep the sabbath.

Paul says no day should be set above another in this age.

Paul teaches the opposite of what you said for this age Col 2:16.

Of course Jesus preached the sabbath he was a Jew and kept the Law.

Please read Gal 1-3, Eph 1-3 and Col 1-3 to understand Paul's gospel.

It is not the same as what Jesus taught.

Paul's gospel is called a mystery (secret) and was faith ALONE in the finished work of the cross.

Jesus nor the 12 taught this.

Read Peters sermon in Acts 2-3, he teaches the cross as a murder indictment.

Please read Jer 31:31-34, Eze 36:21-28 and Heb 8:8-10

The New Covenant belongs to "Israel and Judah"

This is the clear teaching of scripture, I understand this is not what church tradition teaches.

Paul says we SHOULD love another, Jesus taught that loving one another was REQUIRED for salvation.

The book of 1 John is clear loving was REQUIRED.

Jesus mistered to Israel the gospel of the kingdom. (Israel's prophesied and promised earthly kingdom.)

Paul ministers to ALL the gospel of the grace of God, and it was a mystery.

Please do a word study on the word Mystery.

Steve,

You state: "Paul teaches the opposite of what you said for this age Col 2:16"

It scripture reads:

Colossians 2:16

"Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:"

This scripture is a "perfect example" of being incorrectly understood. Many like you, try to use this scripture to invaladate the argument for keeping the Sabbath today.

In the period that Paul lived almost everyone ate and drank and honored and kept the holidays, and the sabbath days - including the Holy Sabbath Day. Paul was telling them to continue keeping these beliefs intact, and ignore what others are saying, and he tells them to not worry about those that may judge them for keeping these customs in place.

Read and Believe!

Hi dear "Phil Hosey" yes he said it to the Jews. Exodus 8-11

But it is probably good for a person to take / get a day off. Do not slave around and be bound to earthly things. And we have taken Sunday off for many years now. The authorities are behind and take away all Christian holidays these days. The ones we have at least had for 2000 years!

That which you have faith for live in it, see it and be in it. For everything you do that is not of faith is sin. Romans 14:23 And if your profession dictates Sunday work day, what are you going to do then be fired?

Here Paul writes to the Galatians, stern words. But they are for us too. Galatians 3. Then do everything to the glory of God and remember that the law crucified Jesus when He rose again on the third day. Jesus loves u, love you in Christ. It fulfills the whole law, Amen Stay strong in Gods word.