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I just finished the last book of the Old Testament. Malachi is an interesting book. You know what I dont quite understand when the bible talks about the Earth will dissolve away and the Sun will refuse to shine. Does this mean that the Earth and the Sun will melt like a straw in the furnis. The scientist say we have a million years left. Could this be the rapture where all the good are taken and the rest are left? Like Noahs ark? Noah only needed what he needed.
In answering this question; it appears the full Preterists here will have an eschatological argument. So I will try to give you a few things to think about.
Firstly; we need to rightly divide scripture. When we look at the wicked being burned up as chaff; we first have to decide if there is merely a physical destruction (such as appears with Armageddon when the wicked are killed but not resurrected for 1000 years); or in other battles in the past.
Going beyond the death of humans; we can appeal to verses which state that the earth; sun and moon are eternal. Psalm 78:69 seems to indicate this. Therefore; in Revelation there is stated to be no need for the light of the sun and moon but nothing stating that they aren't still there. We also see that the light of the sun and moon are to increase sevenfold ( Isaiah 30:26) which certainly appears to me to be a Millennial promise; if it is for eternity the same point exists.
The verses about the sun and moon going dark go from 1/3 of day being dark in the Trumpet judgments to the darkness in the vial judgments. Neither is the final extinction though (and the stars falling refer to the fallen angels and or meteorites/satellites.) No doubt the burning heat in the vial judgments is related to all these manifestations as well.
At any rate; the elements in Peter are what would define atomic structure as it appears in Greek. The earth and heavens which are now not clean in His sight ( Isaiah 24:23) will have to be restored and made perfect as well as all creation including His saints will be remade as well into glorified bodies. Clearly; our spiritual state is the only thing that matters as to how we spend eternity. Let us not lose this perspective. I would ask that you search scripture as a Berean on these matters and help fulfill the Great Commission commanded for His church to preach in whatever way you can; warning others to flee the wrath to come.
There are two sciences: regular science and religious science.
One just uses our God-given perceptions to observe, measure, quantify, analyze, and is doesn't feel threatened by other input and adjusting and correcting.
The other is a religion based on false assumptions and hopes/desires of what they want to be true, then they try to build a bridge to that. For instance, they are desperate to believe that God doesn't exist, so every tiniest, most irrelevant scrap of info they consider as "evidence" towards their confirmation bias. They get very insecure and threatened by questions and other input that doesn't support their pre-desired conclusion. Example: if its a pharma product experiment that doesn't support the product, its considered failed and will try again until it seems like it "works." If its explaining the universe, it must not contain any supernatural forces from intelligence, otherwise its a failed experiment. If it doesn't directly support evolution, then it must not be a valid experiment. Conclusions already drawn ahead of time, refusing other explanations, refusing data, isn't science, it's a false religion in effort to fill their void of not believing in God.
So, a scientist claims we have "millions" of years- that sounds like a religious belief. There are plenty of scientist believers who would disagree. The religious bullies lie and claim they are all in total 100% consensus. Not true. Very divided.
Please don't listen to scientist they are false teachers. They don't know how long is left. Only the Lord God Himself knows. He will come as if a thief in the night. So always be spirituality ready for Him.
Dear "Linda Harris", it became a little inexplicable this Postmyers567 is right. A little less answer to you will be. Jesus will return and then we will join Him home to the heavenly dwellings. Based on Paul's words, it will come a rapture! For Paul believed that Jesus would come before Paul laid down his flesh. And so did all the disciples! (smiles). So you see it's easy and go away in thoughts and deeds. Read and learn from the Holy Spirit. Get your own learning. Then you will understand everything in the right order.
They are not wrong the others who have answered either, just look at it from a different angle at a different time. We are all like gems, dear people that Jesus loves, and that we are obliged to love. To fulfill the law.
God bless you and yours, in the name of Jesus, love you in Christ. Stay strong in the word of God. Its the Life og Jesus.
The events recorded in Revelation 11 are still in our future, not in our past.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
Malachi 4 is speaking of Christs first coming and the destruction of jerusalem which are connected together...its a remarkable chapter...
verse 1
For, Behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven - The destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 A.D.
And all the proud - This is in reference to Mal 3:15 of the preceding chapter.
The day that cometh shall burn them up - Either by famine, by sword, or by captivity. All those rebels shall be destroyed.
It shall leave them neither root nor branch - A proverbial expression for total destruction. Neither man nor child shall escape.
verse 5
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet - This is meant alone of John the Baptist, as we learn from Lu 1:17, in whose spirit and power he came.
There are three remarkable predictions in this chapter: -
1. The advent of John Baptist, in the spirit and authority of Elijah.
2. The manifestation of Christ in the flesh, under the emblem of the Sun of righteousness. verse 2
3. The final destruction of Jerusalem, represented under the emblem of a burning oven, consuming every thing cast into it.
These three prophecies, relating to the most important facts that have ever taken place in the history of the world, announced here nearly four hundred years before their occurrence, have been most circumstantially fulfilled.
All old testament prophecy's are fulfilled in Christ as Jesus stated.. Lu 24:44 (KJV) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
the great tribulation your referring to happened already in 70 A.D. The destruction of Jerusalem. which Jesus predicted..
Mt 24:1 (KJV) And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mt 24:2 (KJV) And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Jesus also said there will never be another time like that..... Mt 24:21 (KJV) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Malachi 4:5-6 is a clear reference to John the Baptist
Mal 4:5 (KJV) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6 (KJV) And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Lu 1:16 (KJV) And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
Lu 1:17 (KJV) And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
I just finished the last book of the Old Testament. Malachi is an interesting book. You know what I dont quite understand when the bible talks about the Earth will dissolve away and the Sun will refuse to shine. Does this mean that the Earth and the Sun will melt like a straw in the furnis. The scientist say we have a million years left. Could this be the rapture where all the good are taken and the rest are left? Like Noahs ark? Noah only needed what he needed.
Firstly; we need to rightly divide scripture. When we look at the wicked being burned up as chaff; we first have to decide if there is merely a physical destruction (such as appears with Armageddon when the wicked are killed but not resurrected for 1000 years); or in other battles in the past.
Going beyond the death of humans; we can appeal to verses which state that the earth; sun and moon are eternal. Psalm 78:69 seems to indicate this. Therefore; in Revelation there is stated to be no need for the light of the sun and moon but nothing stating that they aren't still there. We also see that the light of the sun and moon are to increase sevenfold ( Isaiah 30:26) which certainly appears to me to be a Millennial promise; if it is for eternity the same point exists.
The verses about the sun and moon going dark go from 1/3 of day being dark in the Trumpet judgments to the darkness in the vial judgments. Neither is the final extinction though (and the stars falling refer to the fallen angels and or meteorites/satellites.) No doubt the burning heat in the vial judgments is related to all these manifestations as well.
At any rate; the elements in Peter are what would define atomic structure as it appears in Greek. The earth and heavens which are now not clean in His sight ( Isaiah 24:23) will have to be restored and made perfect as well as all creation including His saints will be remade as well into glorified bodies. Clearly; our spiritual state is the only thing that matters as to how we spend eternity. Let us not lose this perspective. I would ask that you search scripture as a Berean on these matters and help fulfill the Great Commission commanded for His church to preach in whatever way you can; warning others to flee the wrath to come.
Agape; Rich P
One just uses our God-given perceptions to observe, measure, quantify, analyze, and is doesn't feel threatened by other input and adjusting and correcting.
The other is a religion based on false assumptions and hopes/desires of what they want to be true, then they try to build a bridge to that. For instance, they are desperate to believe that God doesn't exist, so every tiniest, most irrelevant scrap of info they consider as "evidence" towards their confirmation bias. They get very insecure and threatened by questions and other input that doesn't support their pre-desired conclusion. Example: if its a pharma product experiment that doesn't support the product, its considered failed and will try again until it seems like it "works." If its explaining the universe, it must not contain any supernatural forces from intelligence, otherwise its a failed experiment. If it doesn't directly support evolution, then it must not be a valid experiment. Conclusions already drawn ahead of time, refusing other explanations, refusing data, isn't science, it's a false religion in effort to fill their void of not believing in God.
So, a scientist claims we have "millions" of years- that sounds like a religious belief. There are plenty of scientist believers who would disagree. The religious bullies lie and claim they are all in total 100% consensus. Not true. Very divided.
They are not wrong the others who have answered either, just look at it from a different angle at a different time. We are all like gems, dear people that Jesus loves, and that we are obliged to love. To fulfill the law.
God bless you and yours, in the name of Jesus, love you in Christ. Stay strong in the word of God. Its the Life og Jesus.
Luke 10:1-12
The events recorded in Revelation 11 are still in our future, not in our past.
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.
7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them.
verse 1
For, Behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven - The destruction of Jerusalem by the Romans in 70 A.D.
And all the proud - This is in reference to Mal 3:15 of the preceding chapter.
The day that cometh shall burn them up - Either by famine, by sword, or by captivity. All those rebels shall be destroyed.
It shall leave them neither root nor branch - A proverbial expression for total destruction. Neither man nor child shall escape.
verse 5
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet - This is meant alone of John the Baptist, as we learn from Lu 1:17, in whose spirit and power he came.
There are three remarkable predictions in this chapter: -
1. The advent of John Baptist, in the spirit and authority of Elijah.
2. The manifestation of Christ in the flesh, under the emblem of the Sun of righteousness. verse 2
3. The final destruction of Jerusalem, represented under the emblem of a burning oven, consuming every thing cast into it.
These three prophecies, relating to the most important facts that have ever taken place in the history of the world, announced here nearly four hundred years before their occurrence, have been most circumstantially fulfilled.
the great tribulation your referring to happened already in 70 A.D. The destruction of Jerusalem. which Jesus predicted..
Mt 24:1 (KJV) And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.
Mt 24:2 (KJV) And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.
Jesus also said there will never be another time like that..... Mt 24:21 (KJV) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Malachi 4:5-6 is a clear reference to John the Baptist
Mal 4:5 (KJV) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
Mal 4:6 (KJV) And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
Lu 1:16 (KJV) And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.
Lu 1:17 (KJV) And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.
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