Bible Discussion Thread

The commentary seems to be correct in the beginning when he mentioned that Jesus was talking to His disciples about the end of time, but somehow lost the meaning that Matthew 24 talks about the Jews only.

Compare this chapter to 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18; 2 Thessalonians 2:3, and 1 Corinthians 15: 50-58. The messages of Jesus Christ is different messages than the Apostle Paul mentioned on the verses I sighted above. Paul revealed to Gentiles the mystery of the rapture. I really think that we Gentiles will be raptured before Matthew 24 takes place. I am convinced that some of us may still be alive when we meet Jesus in the cloud. This is the exciting part of waiting. We are in the Gospel of grace. The gospel of Paul. We try to saved as many family and friends we can saved. I pray that many will be saved. Do the readers see the timeline of events?

the commentary is the Matthew henry commentary, one of the best commentaries around. up until the year 1830 no commentary mentions a secret rapture before the second coming of Christ, and a future earthy kingdom for Israel, theses doctrines are new within the last 100 years, popularized by C.I. scofield and his reference bible which is taught in most seminary's, 90% of American church's teach these false doctrines mixed with truth. these are Antichrist doctrines, literally replacing Christ with Antichrist, the worst group is the dispensationalist right dividers.. beware stick to the scriptures and pre 1830 commentaries

Hello Postmyers:

I am not sure how many times I read the Bible from cover to cover. Every verse of the Bible is important. I do believe in the blood of Jesus Christ. I know God gave everybody the ability to think and pray for the truth according to the scriptures.

"Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth." 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV I am very confident and not ashamed to say that there is a pretribulation rapture. What history tells me is that we never did learn from history. Most importantly, we must be prepared to face the judgment of God through death or when we get raptured. There is only two ways to go. I am sure All would agree to go to heaven, except those blatantly refuse to believe. I respect everyone's opinion. We all agree to disagree. The truth is clear in my own reading of the Bible. I do appreciate these discussions. Agape.

Hello Postmyers:

Thank you for the warning. I can only speak through my own life experiences with God. Surely I will read and re-read the Bible and do Gods will. Thus far I always make errors and mistakes when I trust on myself, listen to men , and please men. Then after understanding the blood Jesus shed for my sins, I only want to trust God in all my decisions, I carefully listen by studying the Bible and daily want to please God. I will expand my reading and pray that God lead us all to the truth. Thank you for our discussions.

Mt 24:1 (KJV) And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple.

Mt 24:2 (KJV) And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

Mt 24:3 (KJV) And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?

this prophecy is about the destruction of Jerusealm as Jesus states, and Christs first coming and the end of Judaism

Actually, as time goes by, I truly believe it is America now (mystery babylon). God won't mention us anymore and why we're not in the bible, in positive light. He made us the right-hand man to His chosen land and people, made us the great leader to the FREE world and keep it FREE --now look at us and what we've done. We fit the bill. America has so much blood on its hands.

Hi Spunky Perhaps what I'm going to share with you will put your believing heart and mind at ease. Indeed the usa is

on a very slippery slop but it IS not the Great babylon in revelation, that represents all the enemies kingdom worldwide.

Now I too am a citizen of this country my spiritual position stand on Gods word and to those who want delivered will listen

those who won't have a nice day. If this country keeps going the direction its going it will fall apart because the true God

will not put up with the movements that the government is partaking in particularly LGBTQ ANDdope and wasting human

life also defiant against all authority and way too many so called christians and churches are compromising. That being

said that doesn't mean your included, we stand as individuals responsible for our own walk, so walk in the righteousness

love grace mercy peace and power of the spirit you've been given by grace and no matter what our need will be met.

GOD BLESS.

No worries David. I'm glad you are so sure. I AM a follower of Christ. I have no fear, for the Lord is with me. So who is the mystery Babylon since it's not the U.S.A?

Mystery Babylon is the whole world that has not believed in the God of heaven and earth. Satan has deceived a large part of the political,educational, and religious systems of this world. The high rollers of the earth that worship power, money and fame above God. Imho

Hello Spunky:

2 Timothy 1:7

For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind. I believe there are saints all over the world. I can sense their prayers. We continue to be God's servants and doing His will. Agape.

This is similar to Matthew 10:23 and focuses on the "Gospel of the Kingdom". In that case it will not be preached to all the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes. Given there are comments on some being put to death; speaking in front of Kings; etc. it is claer that this journey went beyond this one ventue; beyond the Resurrection at least until the Apostles were all killed. The sentiment also seems to indicate during the first part of the Tribulation as found in 2 Cor. 12:14 as well as 2 Timothy as evidence of the last days. No doubt the 2 witnesses and probably some of the 144,000 will be witnessing to leaders.

Because of that logic; I would agree as to other scriptures in Thessalonians from the "Pauline" epistles; as well as Revelation itself indicating that there is indeed a rapture at the end of the Age of Grace; once the "restrainer" is removed. ( 2 Thess. 2:6-7).

We need to be aware; as Luke 21:36 states of His return; praying earnestly. This verse about praying to be worthy seems to indicate some indeed are left behind. At the very least; we have crowns to take hold of or lose reward if not remaining faithful as Rev. 3:11 indicates. 2 Tim. 4:8 shows this; and I just realized that Psalm 40:1 before what sounds like the world's reaction to the Rapture (verse 3) seems to show an indication of the merit of us patiently waiting as a cross reference as well. The theme of patience is mentioned throughout the O.T. and N.T.; Proverbs; Romans and Proverbs being just a few examples.

In the Tribulation; once again the Jews wil be prominent in evangelism. The "blindness in part" mentioned in Romans will be lifted ( Romans 11:25). As I state many times; by the sixth seal there will no longer be any atheists ( Rev. 6:16-17). Indeed; the Kingdom coming to earth will be finally realized in short order; after the "parenthesis" which occurred after AD 70; and continued until recent times. Also see Zech. 13:8 as to God's plan for Israel and Jer. 30:7.

Hello Richard:

I am so glad to read your response. That is why I pray for Israelites today for their safety and salvation. They needed our prayers. Time is very short. There are people can be left behind and realizing they should have believed the gospel of Paul 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. I cannot emphasized enough that only Jesus righteousness of faith can save many today than finding at the end they have entered the 70th week of tribulation. Paul said he lie not and surely God will not lie to us for all the mysteries revealed to him for us Gentiles. For the meantime we all need to grow in grace and KJV of charity. I love hearing from you my fellow believer. Agape.

Ronnette Reading your commentary I believe were on the same page, we must remember Jesus Christ ministry when he was

personally present was too the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Now there are future events he shared that pertain to revelation and the grace administration both future. Our glorious God in his forknowledge knew israel was going to reject their Messiah

which on pentecost opened the grace of God to all men to be reborn of holy spirit. the gospels were the personal presents of the

king of Israel and he was rejected the second coming will be in thessalonians when he comes for the church the body of Christ

those of us born again age of grace. the third is in book of revelation when he returns with us saints born again and we judge

and defeat all evil. So in reality first time born crucified resurrected[personal presence] second time in the air to be seen and

we are taken up to meet him in the air, third time revelation coming back with his body us saints to judge all evil.

Hello David:

Yes I understood the same way you do. I just wanted to ensure that we saved as many people on this site. That is why it is important to take time to explain based on the Bible. The Book of Acts is a transitional book. Luke did a magnificent job inspired by God writing the chain of events after Jesus Christ died on the cross. Peter and the rest of the Apostles concentrated on preaching to the Jews, but when they have rejected it three times Paul went to the Gentiles. But Jews and Gentiles today can be saved by the mystery of the Gospel of Paul 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. We are saved by grace through faith. We are baptized by trusting on Jesus Christ's death, burial and resurrection meaning trusting on the blood of Jesus Christ. Christ Jesus already went to the most Holiest of Holy to sprinkle His own blood as the Jews did on earth. So anybody today can be saved by that blood. Once you are saved, the mysteries are revealed by the Holy Spirit. We are the Body of Christ, the Bride of Christ, knowing Christ in you.

Romans 16:25; Galatians 1:9-12; Galatians 2:1-14; Acts 15:11; Roman's 2:16; 1 Peter 1:10-12; 1Peter 1:18-20;

1Corinthians 4:1

Colossians 1:18; Colossians 1:24-27; Ephesians 1:13; Romans 8:9-11; Ephesians 4:30; 1 Corinthians 3:16 and many more I can share. So knowing we are saved, we know the mystery of the rapture. 1 Corinthians 15:50-58; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

Romans 9:1; 2 Corinthians 11:31; Galatians 1:20; 1 Timothy 2:7

Revelation 3:3. We are watching and praying with thanksgiving.

We are on the last days and we want all to be saved. We are here on earth to fulfill God's purpose - To trust God and to do God's will. Nothing of anything good we do. Rejoice evermore! I am so happy to communicate with you David. Have a blessed weekend.

Ronette,

I do not wish to be contentious here, but please show me in the Scripture where it says that Acts is a "transitional book".

I do not recall ever reading that. It is a teaching of man, I think. It is part of dispensationalism and harks of ultra dispensationalism. You often state that your thinking is straight from the Scriptures, taking it literally and rightly dividing it, but you espouse many doctrines that were taught by Bullinger, Scofield, and others in the "dispensational sect". You may not know about these people, but you can look them up and see how your doctrines align with them. So, I am thinking that you do not get all of your beliefs and doctrines straight from Scriptures, rather you get some from the teachings of men, who have interpreted Scripture in ways that differ greatly from historic Christian thought.

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So the transition was that Paul's epistles from Romans to Philemon depicted details of the rest of the Book of Acts from Jesus Christ blinding Paul in Damascus to the last chapter of Book of Acts. All Apostles are important. But because I am not a Jew, and God had chosen Paul to be the Apostle to the Gentiles, which I am, I believe God is telling me to read the writings of Paul. The Gospel revealed to Paul is in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4. The difference between the early Apostles is that they were preaching who Jesus was VS Paul revelation from God was how that Christ died for our sins according to scriptures that he was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Why emphasized scriptures twice? Because we are talking about the same And only One God who manifested in three persons-God the Father, The God Son Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit (Trinity). Jesus death on the cross is a gift of grace for those who believe and justified through faith in Jesus blood, which I think Peter and the rest of the Apostles understood later through Paul Galatians 1:18. You see once you are sealed with the Holy Spirit of God you just know what to do. This I know I will not and refuse to think and accuse people today that they are anti-Christ if they are in any Christian Religion. They may have different interpretations, and traditional belief, but we have been warned about this in Colossians 2:8. That is fine with me if you do not believe the same way I understand the Bible. I just want to have a Godly conversation with anyone, for I am just another person who is trying to find the true God teachings in order to please the one and Holy God. To that effect, hoping that many will find the truth as well. Then in the end we all give Glory to God.

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Gamaliel the son of Pedahzur is mentioned in the Bible OT 5X. In Acts 2X. Noticed the importance of this man. He convinced the council to let go the apostles doing their work for God knowing if their work was not from God they will fail anyway. Very smart nan. The next he was mentioned was when Paul is defending himself in Acts 22:3. The point is Gamaliel is a reputable man, whom I think a way to show the reader the legitimacy of the Apostle Paul knowing the law and leading to acknowledging Paul's ignorance about Jesus Christ. Acts 6 mainly is about Stephen against the synagogue of the Libertines. Then Acts 7 is when Stephen gave his greatest testimony and was stoned to death. Acts 7:58 Paul consenting to Stephen's death. Acts 8 talks about the great persecution against the church and the apostles still doing God's work when others scattered abroad. Acts 9 Acts 9:5) was when Jesus appeared to Paul on his way to Damascus. Chapter 10 and 11 is about Peter with Cornelius and his people converted. Very important because Peter was instructed by God to go to the uncircumcised people, whom Peter called common and unclean. Acts 11 is when Peter is already in Jerusalem explaining the same thing happened in c19; and noticed in Acts 11:25 Barnabas left Antioch to Tarsus to seek Saul ( Paul) then went back to Antioch and stayed there for whole year Acts 11:26). Isn't that a big transition? Then Acts 11:27-30 great dearth throughout all the world was told by a Prophet from Jerusalem named Agabus who came to Antioch and Barnabas and Saul were doing some relief work. In Galatians 1:18 Peter and Paul met. Then the rest you know the stories because you read them all. I am just very particular on a lot of detail because I was born Catholic, Bible Reader, and became a Mormon then the Seventh Day Adventist allpleasingfamily. I am done with listening to all religion.after my Mom died. Being an orphan I realized I have only God to rely on my journey here on earth.

Hello Gigi:

If I happened to be that my understanding of the Bible is the same way these people you mentioned, I am actually glad I am not alone. The Book of Acts is an epistle written by Luke who recorded the Acts of the Apostles after Jesus Christ died. Before Jesus Christ died the 12 Apostles spent time with Jesus in His journey on earth from the time He was baptized in water by John the Baptist till He was crucified. So when I read Matthew, Mark , Luke, and John I noticed that most of them repeating the same event that happened, which I think it was very clever. But I noticed Luke would give more information. For example, Matthew 17:4, Mark 9:5, Luke.9:33. but Luke is the only one who wrote "not knowing what he said". I have noticed the pattern that Peter had always been rebuked by Jesus Christ in more than one occasion. So, when I read the Book of Acts Luke recorded the fulfillment of the 12 Apostles receiving the Holy Spirit. What a way to start the chapter with these words Acts 1:1. Then the selection of Mathias as "was numbered by the eleven apostles" Acts 1:26. I thought it was actually brilliant. They prayed and they casted lots. So Mathias was chosen still by man/ men. I pay attention to the detail just my nature as I was doing my own investigative way of studying facts. So chapter 2-4 the apostles continued about their work witnessing who Jesus was, whom they crucified; as well as doing great wonders filled with the Holy Spirit with great power; and a lot of people believed and baptized by water, the way the 12 apostles knew how to be saved. But take note of Acts 1:5, Peter will have a remembrance of this verse when he met with Cornelius and others, the Gentiles in Acts 10 and repeated in chapter 11 ( Acts 10:47; Acts 11:16). Going back to chapter 5 the apostles were in battle with the high priests Sadducees because the apostles ought to follow God. Now there is this man a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a doctor of the law in Acts 5:34. cont

Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy is one of the biggest hoaxes on the modern church and the cornerstone of Israel-based prophecy doctrines, including and especially the rapture doctrine and the seven year Israel / antichrist tribulation teaching all of that comes out of the misinterpretation of Daniel's 70-week prophecy. A biblically correct interpretation of Daniel's 70 weeks prophecy absolutely shows the errors of Christian Zionism. Daniel was a student of Jeremiah's prophecy of Jerusalem's 70-year captivity by the Babylonians and you can read in verses 1 and 2 of Da 9.

underline that word desolations in verse 2, the archangel Gabriel appeared to Daniel and gave him his prophecy in the 68th year of that 70-year Babylonian captivity, The Babylonian captivity began with the removal of king Jeconius from Jerusalem and ended with the return of the remnant under Zerubbabel the 70 weeks that are determined upon thy people in thy holy city (verse 24) were God's judgment upon Israel primarily for its violation of God's law of the sabbath year which had been ignored for 490 years leading up to the Babylonian captivity. if you were wondering where that number came from...every seventh year was to be a sabbath year or a year of rest where servants were commanded to be freed and debts were forgiven that's Ex 23:10-12 for a period of 70 sabbath years or 490 years 70 times 7, Israel mocked God with greed and selfishness in refusing to cut off their personal property from the productivity of their servants and debt.

This prophecy predicts neither a seven year tribulation nor a rapture, it's not there it's man's invention that put it there, this entire prophecy is about Jesus Christ, Daniel 9:24 and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 A.D. which is tied to Christ's completed work on the cross. Luke24:44

The Gap and rapture theory, diminishes Christ's completed work on the cross and is the foundation for the devilish doctrines contained in Christian Zionism

Hello Mr. Adam Clark:

God is a God of numbers. In Matthew and Mark, God was speaking to the Jews about the end time.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Mark 13:14 But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains: I agree with you about Jeremiah. I also put in bold letters key words, Jeremiah 25:11 And this whole land shall be a desolation, and an astonishment; and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years. Jeremiah 25:12 And it shall come to pass, when seventy years are accomplished, that I will punish the king of Babylon, and that nation, saith the LORD, for their iniquity, and the land of the Chaldeans, and will make it PERPETUAL desolations. Jeremiah 29:10 For thus saith the LORD, That after seventy years be accomplished at Babylon I will visit you, and perform my good word toward you, in causing you to return to this place. Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in EVERLASTING righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to ANOINT THE MOST HOLY. I agree with you about Daniel 9:24 speaks about Jesus. It may very well be a double applications. The next verse 25 is saying the going forth to restore and to build Jerusalem seven weeks=49 years, and threescore and two weeks=434 years. Then v26 talks about the flood as in Rev 12:15-16 Rev 11:2; 13:5 talks about 42 months that equates to 3.5 years within the 70th week=7 years in v27 (49+434+7=490). The saints are no longer exist here as stated in 1 Thessalonians 5:9. 2 Thessalonians 2:2-3. Acts 20:28; Ephesians 6:18; 1 Thessalonians 2:19. BeComforted.

Hello Postmyers:

I appreciate the history. I am very happy to understand your point of view. But how can you explain Paul's gospel and epistles? I will study and pray for the truth on these messages. Agape.

there is only one gospel, the new testament interrupts the old.. I'm just discovering how bad Christian Zionism/ C.I. scofieldism really is, i was caught up in it myself, they uses the truths in Pauls gospel to mask the lies. the big lies are, Jews have their own religion, a future physical earthly kingdom for Israel, the pre-tribulation rapture, the invention of a human man indwelt by Satan called "the Antichrist"... Satan is the Antichrist, the head of all Antichrists.. ect...

1 john 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as yee haue heard that Antichrist shall come, even now are there many Antichrists, whereby wee know that it is the last time.

this idea of a human indwelt by Satan called the Antichrist is a distraction from the many Antichrists at work right now.

hares Paul's commission from the Lord

Acts 9:15 But the Lord said vnto him, Goe thy way: for hee is a chosen vessell vnto me, to beare my Name before the Gentiles, and Kings, and the children of Israel.

16 For I will shew him how great things hee must suffer for my Names sake.

Hello Postmyers:

There is only one Gospel and that is the Lord Jesus Christ is God. I have no idea what those people you mentioned because I tend to Listen to God and God alone. I humbly say successful peace and joy are feelings I have within. My life experiences can also attest to it. Despite illnesses, God gives me joy and hope whether I live long or be taken away. The entire Bible is a magnificent Book-Old and New Testament. The best God ever given to human to know the real deal what really happened-History, Geography, Mathematics, Science, Economics, Political Science, English Literature, etc. If I were the King of the day, I will build a school with the foundation ONLY based on pure KJV Bible. Now I can say that in retrospect after going through all my highest educational experiences. I know we have been dumb down by men, but I am so very happy we have a God that is greater than man. I will leave you with Malachi 4:2-3 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall. And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts. Peace to you and Glory to God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

verse 5 of Malachi is interesting

Mal 4:5 (KJV) Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:

Mal 4:6 (KJV) And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet - This is meant alone of John the Baptist, as we learn from Lu 1:17, in whose spirit and power he came.

Lu 1:17 (KJV) And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

He shall go before him - Jesus Christ, in the spirit and power of Elijah; he shall resemble Elijah in his retired and austere manner of life, and in his zeal for the truth, reproving even princes for their crimes; compare 1Ki 21:17-24, with Mt 14:4. It was on these accounts that the Prophet Malachi, Mal 4:6, had likened John to this prophet. See also Isa 40:3; and Mal 4:5, Mal 4:6.

To turn the hearts of the fathers - Gross ignorance had taken place in the hearts of the Jewish people; they needed a Divine instructer: John is announced as such; by this preaching and manner of life, all classes among the people should be taught the nature of their several places, and the duties respectively incumbent upon them, See Lu 3:10, etc. In these things the greatness of John, mentioned Lu 1:15, is pointed out, Nothing is truly great but what is so in the sight of God.

1. From the plenitude of God's Spirit which dwelt in him.

2. From his continual self-denial, and taking up his cross.

3. From his ardent zeal to make Christ known.

4. From his fidelity and courage in rebuking vice.

5. From the reformation which he was the instrument of effecting among the people; reviving among them the spirit of the patriarchs, and preparing their hearts to receive the Lord Jesus

Hello Mr. Adam Clark:

First and foremost are you saved by the blood of the crucified Jesus Christ in whom we received all treasures and knowledge by acknowledging the mystery of God and of the Father, of Christ His Son (One God in three persons-The Trinity)? Colossians 1:27-28 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

I just have noticed some contentions about this in some comments. We can talk about the end times but it is very important to ALL that they know 100% they are saved and that they are going to Heaven. Noticed even in the beginning God gave us the messages on the importance of the blood from Genesis to Revelation.

The LORD God must have sacrificed blood, for it maybe a lamb to make coats of skins to clothed Adam and Eve. Genesis 3:21

We also see the importance of blood sacrifices between Cain and Abel. Genesis 4:3 Understand the motive of Cain. He offered the fruit of the ground whereby Cain worked hard for it. Like saying to God "Look what I did". I say this because of v5. In v4 Abel was respected because of animal blood sacrificed. This story depicted not of what you do, God is interested in you acknowledging the blood which are examples of a type of what later Jesus Christ would do as our own lamb. Clearly here we are saved by the blood and not by works.

Colossians 1:5; 1:14; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4

You can read in Leviticus that they have to kill a lamb over and over again in order to get forgiveness of sins. Now look at Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul. Your soul being forgiven through blood. Revelation1:5;5:9. Are you saved by the blood of Jesus Christ?

Hello Mr. Adam Clark:

Here's what I found to back up Malachi message about the "day of the Lord" (29X) from OT to NT. After these verses there's more interesting words God made me focus on as well. So begin our study ( if anybody willing to read) with these verses but do not forget to read the entire chapter or even before and after the chapter for any connecting relevance:

The Lord's vengeance and the year of recompenses for the controversy of the Zion.

Isaiah 2:12; 13:6; 13:9; 34:8

Jeremiah 46:10

Lamentations 2:22

Ezekiel 13:5; 30:3

Joel has spoken about the sun darkened and the moon into blood as reiterates in Acts 2:20

Joel 1:15; 2:1; 2:11; 2:31; 3:14

We pause and pray. It seems the day of the Lord is a great and very terrible day. I pray that ALL will be saved today's Bible study.

Amos 5:18; 5:20

Obadiah 1:15

Zephaniah has spoken that there are people may be saved who seek the righteousness of God

Zephaniah 1:7-8; 1:14; 1:18;2:2-3

Zechariah 14:1

1 Corinthians 5:5

2 Corinthians 1:14

I thank God for Paul that we who are saved will know perfectly when this day would be even if it comes as a thief in the night as mentioned in ( 2 Peter 3:10)

1 Thessalonians 5:2

That is why I think we who truly believes God and have done God's will more likely not experience this day. So we pray earnestly that ALL may be saved. Happy reading.

I agree with the Elijah coming in the form of John the Baptist. But Malachi 4:5 was talking about the great and dreadful day of the LORD. Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:. So we have to go in the Book of Revelation. The only verse I can relate, in my opinion is Revelation 11:3-4

And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth. These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.

Then again there are two witnesses. I went back to Matthew, Mark, Luke, for they mostly say the same thing, but Luke elaborated more.

Luke 9:30-33

And, behold, there talked with him two men, which were Moses and Elias: Who appeared in glory, and spake of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem. But Peter and they that were with him were heavy with sleep: and when they were awake, they saw his glory, and the two men that stood with him.

And it came to pass, as they departed from him, Peter said unto Jesus, Master, it is good for us to be here: and let us make three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias: not knowing what he said. I do not know for sure about Malachi 4:5 message yet. We will pray for God to reveal His message. Thank you.

Malachi 4:2,3

You that fear my name - The persons mentioned in the sixteenth verse of the preceding chapter, ye that look for redemption through the Messiah.

The Sun of righteousness - The Lord Jesus, the promised Messiah; the Hope of Israel.

With healing in his wings - As the sun, by the rays of light and heat, revives, cheers, and fructifies the whole creation, giving, through God, light and life everywhere; so Jesus Christ, by the influences of his grace and Spirit, shall quicken, awaken, enlighten, warm, invigorate heal, purify, and refine every soul that believes in him, and, by his wings or rays, diffuse these blessings from one end of heaven to another; everywhere invigorating the seeds of righteousness, and withering and drying up the seeds of sin. The rays of this Sun are the truths of his Gospel, and the influences of his Spirit. And at present these are universally diffused.

And ye shall go forth - Ye who believe on his name shall go forth out of Jerusalem when the Romans shall come up against it. After Cestius Gallus had blockaded the city for some days, he suddenly raised the siege. The Christians who were then in it, knowing, by seeing Jerusalem encompassed with armies, that the day of its destruction was come, when their Lord commanded them to flee into the mountains, took this opportunity to escape from Jerusalem, and go to Pella, in Coelesyria; so that no Christian life fell in the siege and destruction of this city.

But these words are of more general application and meaning; "ye shall go forth" in all the occupations of life, but particularly in the means of grace; and: -

Grow up as calves of the stall - Full of health, of life, and spirits; satisfied and happy.

Adam Clark

I have thought about these issues for the 40 or so years as a Christian. Here's my outline:

1) People who are walking in the Spirit who are not fallen asleep. These are; in all honesty the minority in most churches today.

(See Malachi 3:16-18 to understand this issue of those written in the Book of Remembrance and their characteristics).

2) People who are of faith and lukewarm. It would seem that for some; even backslidden believers around right now; that they will miss the Rapture if indeed it is a REWARD issue and not merely a salvation one. Such verses as Rev. 3:4-6 and 18-19 seem to show garments made white; and that further on in Rev. 7:9-14 it would seem that indeed these are believers whose garments were NOT unspotted as Eph. 5:27; Jude 1:23 and others who needed to bear fruit in the Tribulation (word comes from the word Tribulum which has to do with a quick wheat harvest in the hot sun).

3) New believers: Since the nation of Israel has had the truth hidden until the fullness of the gentiles comes in Rom 11:17-29 then it stands to reason that at least the 144,000 if not parts of the countless multitude are new believers. One third survive "going through the fire" ( Zech. 13:9).

4) The lost. These will sadly include those who did not LOVE the truth in order to be saved...notice they had to have intellectual knowledge first to become reprobate like this. These will no doubt believe that Antichrist is Christ or the first seal rider or believe in UFO invasion or some other lie. There could be some who never heard the gospel but it seems that it will be very few.

In any event ALL those whose names are not written in the Book of Life before the foundation of the world will take the mark. ( REv. 17:18; etal).

The separation with Israel itself will likely sort those who are into mysticism such as the Kaballah; and the Talmud from those who are looking strictly for the Messiah from the O.T. I believe for mass revival the rapture must happen

Hello Richard:

I cannot agree or disagree more. I just know that God speaks to all of us fellowbelievers. I do believe the mystery of "Christ in you". I have experienced many Angelic situations. I know they are from God because they are in line with all goodness discussed in the Bible. When I understood in my heart the blood Jesus shed for my sins on 11/11/21, I knew then that nothing in my flesh is righteous. So I completely depend on Jesus' righteousness. Through Faith, by trusting, and believing He will direct my paths. Unbeknownst to me, He kept His promises to me since I was young, for I confided in Him a lot, for I know nothing about the world, but I can sense something is not right to many people. There are situations that I do not even know how I could have done things on my own. Indeed there is that higher power that guided me through. Make no mistake I do understand I can never be perfect here on earth because I am still in my corruptible flesh. But I look forward for the time I get my incorruptible body. It will be great if we get raptured while we are still alive. It will be a surprised for some. We can only pray. So we comfort one another.

That is why eschatology isn't worth splitting hairs over; but I thought it prudent to share some of these things for it is clear that you love the Lord. My point is that "you know them by their fruits". God will reward His servants; and knows how to keep them from wrath (Romans somewhere I think). The other side of the coin is most disconcerting; those who may have some fantasy and often individualistic "vision" or rapture premonition when they are not "occupying until He comes" or putting on the full armor of God.

I see the problem not only false doctrine but a false "love" that is not truly Agape. My point to you is I suppose what's been on my heart for 40 years; that of the Tribulation; and now more than ever the urgency to give a fair warning of what it will be like for those left behind. We need to keep in mind that the Laodiceans are still a "church"; and a remnant is worthy to stand before Him now. Others in order to REALIZE they are miserable; blind; poor; naked etal it would seem must be left behind. There are many other things the enemy is doing with sins such as adultery; fornication; and general fear to keep our souls trapped in this world; although He cannot ultimately destroy a true saint of God.

Without discernment; churches tend to be either completely closeminded to a move of the Spirit or have little if any discernment and allow Kundalini or some other sick demonic manifestation to cause all kinds of bizarre behaviors. Proper distribution and use of gifts should primarily edify others; and teachers/elders should be held to the same standard as everyone else. The danger of politicizing and worshipping man (without mentioning any names) has necessitated breaking off from one church on my part early last year.

I guess hearing of your recent conversion causes me to pray rather desperately that you have lasting fruit and persevere; not immediately recieve the Word with joy then fall away when trial comes. See you soon in the sky

Hello Richard:

Totally agree with you. Evil in this world is more prominent than ever. I was actually close to death twice: one I was drowning with my own water and my organs are shutting down; next my heart totally stops due to COVID. I can attest to you that there is indeed heaven and hell. I can't understand the urgency for me to re-read the Bible until I found this site. I noticed the mixture of frustrations and anger and love comments. I know in my heart these people seek truth. I also know that these people believe in Jesus Christ's Life, death and resurrection according to the scriptures. I do not understand is that we are reading the same Bible KJV and one says something and another person says different. Are we not one in God? The only explanation is that people listen to man. Malachi 2:10 Have we not all one father? hath not one God created us? why do we deal treacherously every man against his brother, by profaning the covenant of our fathers?

Only listen to God. For example: Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. Are we not understanding English? If I tell you, you are Richard and upon this rock I will build my church. Does it make sense to say you built the church? No. The rock is Jesus Christ. It tells you the story of Moses hitting the rock to flow waters for them to drink. It is a prophetic sign for Jesus Christ. That is why you read the whole chapter then a few verses down, there is reason why Jesus called Peter a Satan. We do not listen to man. Period. Now Jesus fulfilled ALL in ALL. We the believers of Jesus Christ's blood are even more powerful because we have the Holy Spirit. For 2,000 years we are led by man. We are at the end of grace whether you are old age close to death, with terminal illness, unavoidable or unfortunate accident to end our lives, or the so-called rapture. WE NEED ONLY LISTEN TO GOD