Bible Discussion Thread

Who is the 12th Apostle? Paul is what the Bible indicated. In whose authority? Jesus Christ.

"And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb." Revelation 21:14 KJV

"And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both (1) Peter, and (2) James, and (3) John, and (4) Andrew, (5) Philip, and (6) Thomas, (7) Bartholomew, and (8) Matthew, (9) James the son of Alphaeus, and (10) Simon Zelotes, and (11) Judas the brother of James." Acts 1:13 KJV

The reason I ask this very important question is to prove what truly the Bible said not what men or any religious sect says so. It is also important who is speaking and who has the ultimate authority in the Bible-Jesus Christ- John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. Please understand the order of the Book of Acts.

Strong Facts:

"But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:" Acts 9:15 KJV

(12) "Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)" Galatians 1:1 KJV

"Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not;) a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity." 1 Timothy 2:7 KJV

"Let his days be few; and let another take his office." Psalms 109:8 KJV

Romans 11:13

For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

In my own opinion, I found that all other evidence verses are very weak indeed to call Mathias as the chosen apostle.

Weak Facts:

"And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen," Acts 1:24 KJV

"And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles." Acts 1:26 KJV

Ronnette Matthias was indeed the twelth apostle which makes the apostle Paul number 13 handpicked and called out in due

time by God through Jesus christ. God knew the heart of Paul that he loved God but paul after being born again was 3years

in a desert place away from man for God to teach Him the mystery of the body of Christ then he went to the church in jerusalem

to talk to the leaders their, thats in Galatians 1. When they saw the witness Pauls walk and talk they sent him to the gentiles

to preach the gospel of grace which is what Jesus Christ taught in practice to the Judeans.

Hello David:

This is one of those topic that in the end whether Mathias or Paul is the answer, I have had the privileges to have known people like you and others who are willing and able to discuss Bible verses in a Godly way. That alone is very precious in my walk in spirit. I respect your belief on this topic and thank you so much for sharing your point of view. Kind regards. Agape.

Ronnette,

I was thinking upon this matter last night sort of along the lines that you posted.

I thought, well, of what great significance is it whether Paul or Matthias was the 12th apostle? Really. I don't think that this is a matter to really have a long discussion about, as it does not affect the topics of salvation, the truth about Who God or Jesus is, or the Christian walk. So, thanks for appreciating the discussion between all of us. I, too, find such discussions helpful. It takes me back the Word of God to find truth. That is always a good thing! Blessings to you today.

Hello David: I am not convince Mathias is the 12th. Think about casting lots after the death of Jesus Christ. Peter stood and started the conversation. Remember how Peter always say something not right with Jesus? And being rebuke all the time? Although Paul did persecuted a lot of Christians He is hand picked by Jesus. If we look at qualifications and requirements for being apostle, Paul still qualifies. Only 12 will be in that wall foundation. If you take the logic of casting lots to pick your important apostle, Mathias may be there from John the Baptist to death of Jesus Christ, but Jesus Christ picked Paul. I prayed about this and I read all strong evidences. Also, the Book of Acts seems written in how everything happens. Even if we look at casting lots in Jonas, there is indeed a practice to do that. But I'm this case, because Jesus did the selections for the 11, I would not think Jesus will leave the decision lead by Peter, a man who deny Jesus 3X and Jesus told him "get thee behind me Satan. It does not fit the recognition. Sorry. We can agree to disagree on this one my friend. Agape.

Hello Ronnette They didn,t just pick mathias they prayed about it and gave it to God. By the way God chose Paul but

knew that for Paul to believe his Son had to appear to him. Also acts 1:25 it is written That he mathias may take part of

this ministry and apostleship from which Judas by transgression fell. agapeo to you also this is what I see.