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Oner Eighty,

Thank you. I'll get back to you soon. I have some big projects to finish up this weekend, so hopefully, early in the week.

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Hi Robert & thanks for your response. There's a lot to unpack here, but if I could just for now focus on Philippians 2:5-10, which you have referenced.

All the other references about Jesus doing nothing without the Father; the Father is greater; the sender is greater than the sent; etc., are all good, but has its base in what we learn from the Philippians reference you gave. What was Paul saying? "Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus". What mind? The mind, or mind-set, he writes about in verses 2 to 4 (to be like-minded, same love, one accord, one mind, nothing bringing strife or vainglory, esteeming one another, & considering one another). This was the mind that Jesus as a Man had, which ought to be in the believers.

And then Paul elaborates to show how Jesus conducted Himself. He could have come as a pompous king, demanding obeisance & obedience from all. Yet, He "made Himself of no reputation" (the Greek word is 'ekenosen', which means 'emptying' oneself). If Jesus was a newly created being, what would he empty himself of? He had nothing to put aside.

A contemporary example of this would be from a TV show series of old, where an owner/director of a thriving company desires to lower himself from his prestige & wealth, put on ragged clothes, live & sleep under a bridge, so that he can better understand what the struggles of the homeless & destitute are. He didn't have to do it this way, but he wanted to experience it in real-time & at the end of it render some real help or work to these unfortunate ones. That's a small & weak picture of Jesus emptying Himself for our sakes.

Hi Sacha.

1 Corinthians 15:28.

You actually will find the trinity in ver 28 where the Lord goes back in the Godhead.

"And when all things shall be subdued unto him, ( then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL".)

God bless.

I posted on here a few years ago and I was mistakenly blocked as I was mistaken for spam , so I wasn't able to post for a long time , I kept reading this site though and decided to try and get unblocked ,Sacha and one or two others on here made we want to come back again . Sorry , I'm just plain old Suzanne smiley face .

Hi S Spenser , I was wondering if and when some one was going to ask me if I am Sacha smiley face , I'm sorry to disappoint you but I'm not , I am Suzanne and always have been . I was actually posting on here before Sacha I think , I am however English and a similar age to Sacha and from the same part of England so we probably have a lot in common , educationally , culturally etc . I don't know if we are the same denomination or not as I don't know what church she belongs to . She gave me the courage to come on here , so I'm grateful to her for that , if you are still out there Sacha , please come and tell these folks that I'm not you smiley face .

Thanks Suze.

You sure has me fooled. Lol.

I used to call Sacha's husband TNT. Those were his initials. Me and her had different views but I always hoped she's doing well. Especially with covid and all.

God bless.

No worries S Spenser , I'm surprised that no one asked me this sooner smiley face . I'm hoping that Sacha will reappear one day but she's been gone a while now so maybe not . I too hope she is ok .

This topic of Jesus being God or fully God and fully man seems to be added wording to the scripture. Jesse's scripture I think gives the best explanation of the topic. If we consider the translation it is easier to understand. The reason he thought it not robbery to be equal to God is because he was in the form of God. The translation of form here is he carried the nature of God. He was found in the fashion (outward circumstance of a man). He as we have to access God's power to resist the devil. John 8:28 "I do nothing of myself". Luke 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. Luke 2:40 And the child grew, and waxed strong in spirit, filled with wisdom: and the grace of God was upon him. Easy scriptures to pass over, but doesn't sound like he was fully God otherwise he wouldn't need the grace of God and wouldn't have to increase in wisdom. 1 Tim. 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; Note: It doesn't say the God Christ Jesus.

Doug but you are forgetting John 17 : 5....When Jesus prayed he says Father Glorify thou me with thine own self even with the Glory i had with you before the world was...This proves without a doubt that Jesus was God the son b/f he had become a man....

......He only took on flesh and blood to die for the sins of the world....And we should not be making derogatory remarks about his deity.

.....Unto the Son he says Thy throne O GOD IS FOREVER AND EVER....A sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy Kingdom.

.....The Father cd not refer to him as God if he were not God the son.... Hebrews 1 : 8.. KJV

......And he instructs ALL THE ANGELS to worhip his Son... Hebrews 1 : 6 kjv...

.....Doug i think you are just focusing on his flesh....Not his Spirit his Words that are able to Propagate very God in humanity.

......To whom his words came ( his seed ) It made them Gods....Don'cha see that he is able to reproduce very God with his seed his words....Thats y he is saying that which is BORN of the spirit is spirit....Thats the H.G. that Child of Promise....Our new innerman....The New CREATURE....The multiplication of very God....As God swore by himself when he made that Promise of the multiplication of Christ SEED..... Genesis 22 : 15 ...KJV...OK LEMME GO

If Jesus was God he wouldn't be sitting on the right hand of God. He carried the nature of God (divine nature). That's what it means when the Bible says he was in the form of God. I like to keep it simple he was the Son of God. Since he had God's nature he could say he was one with God and was God.

Hi Doug,

This is an interesting logical argument. I find that in 1 Peter 3:22. Let's assume for argument's sake that your conclusion is correct and you get 1 point for this.

But for every verse you cite, there are even more that say that Jesus IS God, like John 1:1 saying the "Word was God" and verse 14 that Jesus is the Word.

This could continue to play out and you can cite any number of verses to support your position, but again we don't run out of very compelling verses saying that Jesus is God.

Let's say that it's a dead even race. 30 verses suggesting Jesus isn't vs 30 verses suggesting He is.

Then what? Which do you choose to believe?

I don't know if you've gone through this exercise or not, but I now have a spoiler: someone will run out of verses supporting that Jesus "isn't" God long before the verses supporting He IS God. Not only that, but each of the verses commonly cited to claim that Jesus "isn't" God require some extra creative interpretation and human logic whereas the verses supporting the other side can be read and interpreted more literally. Not only that, but there's logical explanations for why Jesus called His Father God. The main reason is that He temporarily became a human being and limited His power. Phil 2:6-7. So, yes, as a man, He prayed to His Father and called Him God. So, all verses must be considered as a whole, not cherry picked in order to have understanding about the Godhead and I admit it is hard to comprehend as we don't have anything like it in on earth. But perhaps like an orange with seeds, pulp, skin. Someone calls pulp an orange, and it is.

1 John 5:7-8

John 10:30

John 8:19

Genesis 1:26

, Genesis 11:6-7 (plural "us")

Philippians 2:5-8

2 Corinthians 5:19

John 1:3

Matthew 28:19

1 Peter 1:2

2 Corinthians 13:14

Deuteronomy 6:4

John 14:10

John 20:28

1 John 2:22-24

Matthew 1:23-25

Colossians 2:9

Acts 17:29

Romans 1:20

Isaiah 7:14

Hebrews 1:8

Isaiah 44:6

Isaiah 43:11

Jesus is the only person theologians have no problem splitting in half to have their doctrines line up with scriptures.

Doug GBU my man....But the way we know without a doubt that Christ is truly God the Son in by seed which was his word....Our Lord can regenerate ...reproduce himself with his seed the word....When he breathe on them he was reproducing himself with his seed his WORD/SEEDS....They gave birth to the H.G. that Child of Promise....The God kind....Spirits...Thats y he said that which is born of the spirit is spirit....As the H.G is Spirit as God is spirit....He reproduces AFTER THE GOD KIND which are his children the babes and sucklings he mentions....Remember God Almighty swore by his very self that CHRIST was gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven....And this great Promise requires a God that can reproduce after the God kind....Christ Jesus....They cd not refer to him as the bridegroom if cd not reproduce himself in humanity....The Church the bride etc....gtg company is here

Doug My position scripturally on God HOLY spirit AND JESUS Christ is God is spirit JOHN 4:24 also in same gospel

chapter 1:18 no made has ever seen God. Jesus Christ is the only begotten of God and he was His Fathers full

power on display, he was born and died and sits at right hand of God and until the end has been given all power of

heaven and earth then he will in revelation hand it back over to God. Holy spirit is Gods gift to man available day of

pentecost by the sacrifice and resurrection of Gods Son. The purpose of all three is to redeem man from the adversaries

control. i do not consider them the same entity, but the same purpose.

I think that you and I are in agreement David , smiley face .

Suze There is a great deal of scripture in regards to this subject matter, I'll give you a few more. concerning Jesus luke

2 40+52 verse 40 why would GOD need grace upon himself when grace is divine favour God to man. In 52 Jessus Christ

grew in wisdom and stature with God and man if he's God that doesn't make sence. Also in the gospels He said i can do

nothing without my FATHER.

You don't have to convince me David smiley face , I'm already convinced by what I have read in the Bible , old and new , Christ is the Son of God , he is my sinless redeemer and he's coming back ! It is going to be so awesome , it can't be soon enough for me , looking forward to meeting everyone on here in person , much love to you in Christ .

Suze If you look up historically the belief in the trinitarian three=1 started in the reign of constantinople, when he madea decree which mized some paganistic beliefs with christian doctrine. Also the Apostle PAUL was given the greatest knowledge

from Jesus Christ concerning the church of his body in this the age of grace. Then read 2TIMOTHY 1:15 THIS THOU KNOWEST THAT ALL ASIA TURNED AWAY FROM PAULS TEACHING this occurred only about 60 years after pentecost, that tells you how far

off the christian church got. At the time of the timothy epistles written to leadership only a handfull of true believers were left.

Hi David, I don't know where your heart is in regards to your public comment- that is between you and God.

I know from past experience that people have used similar arguments in a dishonest way, however, in attempt to discredit God. I noticed you claimed those who believe in the trinity as it says in 1 John 5:7 didn't start until constantinople. That is untrue. People would have believed in the Godhead the first time they heard or read the scriptures, because its direct from scripture. 1 John 5:7, John 1:1, Philippians 2:6, and numerous verses that talk about the Godhead and plural "we" and "us" for God all align for even a child to understand that God consists of the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. God is aware of our hearts and any attempts to discredit Him or spread false info will be taken seriously. Those who disrespect, dishonor, slander Jesus may not even be saved according to John 5:23.

Suze love ya ...But lemme mention Philippians 2 : 6 kjv....He Jesus though it not robbery to be equal to God ....And another place he prayed ALL mine is thine and all thine is mine....Suze a sentence like that contitutes a equal binding contract on both parties......Both parties are equal....But he said that his father was greater then he...But in the natural a Son Always becomes equal to his father and thats what the father wants.....The Father wants his son to inherit everything he has....Thus Jesus was a true heir with all of the Israel of God....The Church...ok

I love you too Alex , 1st Corinthians Ch 15 V 22-28 is pretty clear , I'm happy for us to agree to disagree , some where in this thread David put it very well I think . Much love in Christ .

Yes please, that section in Acts 15 doesn't seem to fit. Did you perhaps mean another book?

Oh gosh yes ! You are correct ! I was half asleep ! 1st Corinthians ! Ch 15 V 21-28 ! Especially V 27+28 , I must not post when I'm half asleep , sooo sorry , thank you for telling me , I appreciate that , smiley face , no more posting half asleep !

Hello Suze i don't understant what your commenting on with the scripture give could you please elaborate. Thank YOU

Dear David , I got my reference wrong , I'm so sorry , I need to not post when I'm half asleep smiley face , I've given the reference that I meant to give in this thread , sorry again , much love in Christ .

Hi David , I wasn't replying to anyone , I've just recently read Acts (again) and noticed the verses I mentioned , that these verses , to me prove that Jesus is not equal to God , there is a difference between them , God is Sovereign . Hope I made that a bit clearer , I always know what I want to say but it doesn't always come out the way I want it to , smiley face .