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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 197483

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  • Obeka victoria on Romans 4 - 2 years ago
    I am so enlightened by this exposure, we're indeed saved by grace through the death and resurrection of our Lord Jesus Christ; going by the last paragraph "...He paid our debt..." why then do we have to "work" for our salvation, according to same Apostle in his letter to the Philippians; "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Philp2:12

    This is in a bid to get a clearer understanding.
  • Victoria Obeka - In Reply on Romans 4 - 2 years ago
    Oh great! I now understand the way this works! Our already gained salvation needs to be watered by our sustained sanctification, through the help of the Holy spirit at work in us, till the coming of Christ. Thank you!
  • DAVID - In Reply on Romans 4 - 2 years ago
    Obeka In Gods eyes we are spiritually perfect the work is putting his word on in our minds Romans12:2 and then the three

    R'S of learning Colossians 1:13 receive, Thessalonians 3;10 Put the new man in the mind retain then Phil. 2:16 release or hold it forth.The battle is always words Gods thoughts His word like Phil.4:8+9 life giving or or the lies of the enemy. That's why the key to walking with God via the spirit is renewed mind daily based on Gods word. Our minds don't change over night that's the work and it never ends. The only man that ever lived on earth with a completely whole mind or sound mind is Jesus Christ.

    P.s. remember we were born into a corrput word and only had our 5 senses as information now we have holy spirit which is

    info from God which is always true. That's why I said the more you retain that's work the knowledge of God 2 Peter 1:1-8

    constantly says through the of God and our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
  • Jesse - In Reply on Romans 4 - 2 years ago
    Obeka Victoria,

    That is a great question. It is true that Jesus Christ paid our debt. It is a debt that we cannot pay. Jesus paid the debt for us. He was the propitiation for our sin. We have been declared justified.

    Please notice that Philippians 2:12 says, "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." It does not say to work to obtain salvation, but to work out a salvation that we already have. I mean, how can we work out our own salvation if we don't have salvation to work out? Here is the literal translation: Be continually working out your own salvation with fear and trembling.

    You see, it's a process. We don't work for our salvation. It is God's Spirit in us that works things out. In order to get a clearer picture on this, we have to take Verse 12 along with the very next verse ( Philippians 2:13). It says, "For it is God which works in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure."

    The word "works in you" is the word energizing. For it is God who is continually energizing in you both to will, and to energize of His good pleasure whatever He thinks best! It's His energy, and it's whenever He wants to energize my spirit for His Spirit to work in me. It's all according to His good pleasure. It doesn't have anything to do with my good pleasure. I'm just a vessel.

    So be continually involved in having your salvation worked out because it's God who is working it out.

    Hope this helps!
  • Giannis - In Reply on Romans 4 - 2 years ago
    Dear Victoria

    "...work out your own salvation with fear and trembling." Philp2:12

    God is not only offering salvation to people through Jesus Crist but He does a work of transforming our character to be similar to His. This is the "work out" in that verse. It is something we do with the help of God's Grace (Holly Spirit).

    The "fear and trembling." is a warning to be careful to avoid what happened to Judas or Demus. 1 Timothy 4:10 "For Demas hath forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed unto ..."

    GBU



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