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Psalms 51:5. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Our sinful nature comes from the natural man. We inherited that nature NOT because we sinned! WE INHERITED THE NATURE TO SIN!
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:45-47.
Jesus was a life giving spirit from heaven.
Adam was made a living soul out of the dust of the ground.
If Adam would have never sinned he couldn't have given everlasting life.
Romans 5:14. Nevertheless DEATH REIGNED FROM ADAM TO MOSES, EVEN OVER THEM THAT HAD NOT SINNED AFTER THE SIMILITUDE OF ADAM'S TRANSGRESSION, who is the figure of him that was to come.
( WHO IS THE FIGURE OF HIM THAT WAS TO COME.) Jesus was to come into the world even before Adam sinned. Adam wasn't capable of living a sinless life.
When was Jesus the Lamb of God to take away the sins of the whole world? When he died on the cross?
BEFORE THE CROSS!
1 Peter 1:19-20. But with the precious blood of Christ, as of A LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH AND WITHOUT SPOT:
Who verily WAS FOREORDAINED BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD,....( BUT WAS MANIFEST IN THESE LAST TIMES FOR YOU,)
Matthew 4:1 THEN WAS JESUS LED UP OF THE SPIRIT into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Do you notice Satan didn't hunt down Jesus? Jesus was led by the Spirit to Satan. This was to prove he was the son of God and ONLY the son of God cannot sin because he is God. Here Satan is just used as an instrument.
For me , there is no doubt that Jesus could have sinned . Hebrews Ch 2 is very clear I think . From verse 5 onwards Paul addresses Jesus's humanity v 9 and especially v 10 ' to make the captain of their salvation ( this is Jesus ) perfect through sufferings . Christ was MADE perfect through the things that he suffered in this life . V 18 'For in that he himself suffered being TEMPTED , he is able to succour them that are tempted . These verses seem very clear and definate to me . I'm not sure how these verses can be justifiably distorted to say anything other than what they so obviously do .
I pray this disagreement doesn't offend anyone, That's not my intentions. I will start with verse 9 through 11 to focus on his humanity.
9) But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels FOR THE SUFFERING OF DEATH, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10) For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, IN BRINGING MANY SONS UNTO GLORY, TO MAKE THE CAPTAIN OF THEIR SALVATION PERFECT THROUGH SUFFERINGS.
( Verse 10. The CAPTAIN of our salvation means he's the author and finisher of our salvation. the suffering is the death on the cross for all humanity as seen here in Hebrews 12:2.)
11) For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified ARE ALL OF ONE: FOR WHICH CAUSE HE IS NOT ASHAMED TO CALL THEM BRETHREN,
Jesus didn't take on our humanity so he can be tempted and resist sin, he took on our humanity to redeem us as our Kinsman redeemer by way of the cross. See Revelation 5:2-9.
That brings us to Verses 17-18.
"Wherefore in all things IT BELOVED HIM TO BE MADE LIKE UNTO HIS BRETHREN, THAT HE MIGHT BE A MERCIFUL AND FAITHFUL HIGH PRIEST in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
FOR IN THAT HE HIMSELF HATH SUFFERED BEING TEMPTED, HE IS ABLE TO SUCCOUR THEM THAT ARE TEMPTED."
First let's deal with the word tempted.
Greek:
Transliteration: peiraz
Pronunciation: pi-rad'-zo
Definition: From G3984; TO TEST (objectively) that is endeavor 6
scrutinize entice discipline: - assay examine go about prove. .
Jesus entire life was a testing!!
Jesus was PROVOKED just like we are, that doesn't mean he was tempted to sin as if he had to withstrain him self from sinning.
We have the opportunity to do wrong as well as Christ. THE OPPORTUNITY IS THE TEST!
We have the opportunity to do wrong AND WE WANT TO DO IT. Christ didn't!
Because God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him! John 3:34.
Thanks for your reply , no worries about offending me , we can disagree without disrespecting each other no problem . All discussion is valuable and potentially enlightening and must be encouraged not discouraged . We don't learn anything new from people that we always agree with .
No remember when Jesus fasted to be tempted by Satan and Satan took him up in the mountains. There was stones and Satan said if you are the Son of God turn these stones into bread. Then Jesus said man can't live by bread alone but every word that comes out the mouth of God.
Then Satan tempted Jesus again and said I will give you all the cities in the world if you will fall down and worship me. Then Jesus said we worship God and him only do we worship.
Then Satan took Jesus on top of a building and Satan if thy jump off the top of this building the angels will come and catch thee and Jesus don't tempt the Lord thy God. So no just never sinned.
I don't think so.
We're not sinners because we sinned.
We sin because we're sinners.
The sin nature don't enter you once you sin.
Psalms 51:5. Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
Our sinful nature comes from the natural man. We inherited that nature NOT because we sinned! WE INHERITED THE NATURE TO SIN!
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. 1 Corinthians 15:45-47.
Jesus was a life giving spirit from heaven.
Adam was made a living soul out of the dust of the ground.
If Adam would have never sinned he couldn't have given everlasting life.
Romans 5:14. Nevertheless DEATH REIGNED FROM ADAM TO MOSES, EVEN OVER THEM THAT HAD NOT SINNED AFTER THE SIMILITUDE OF ADAM'S TRANSGRESSION, who is the figure of him that was to come.
( WHO IS THE FIGURE OF HIM THAT WAS TO COME.) Jesus was to come into the world even before Adam sinned. Adam wasn't capable of living a sinless life.
When was Jesus the Lamb of God to take away the sins of the whole world? When he died on the cross?
BEFORE THE CROSS!
1 Peter 1:19-20. But with the precious blood of Christ, as of A LAMB WITHOUT BLEMISH AND WITHOUT SPOT:
Who verily WAS FOREORDAINED BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD,....( BUT WAS MANIFEST IN THESE LAST TIMES FOR YOU,)
Matthew 4:1 THEN WAS JESUS LED UP OF THE SPIRIT into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
Do you notice Satan didn't hunt down Jesus? Jesus was led by the Spirit to Satan. This was to prove he was the son of God and ONLY the son of God cannot sin because he is God. Here Satan is just used as an instrument.
1 John 3:9.
God bless.
I pray this disagreement doesn't offend anyone, That's not my intentions. I will start with verse 9 through 11 to focus on his humanity.
9) But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels FOR THE SUFFERING OF DEATH, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
10) For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, IN BRINGING MANY SONS UNTO GLORY, TO MAKE THE CAPTAIN OF THEIR SALVATION PERFECT THROUGH SUFFERINGS.
( Verse 10. The CAPTAIN of our salvation means he's the author and finisher of our salvation. the suffering is the death on the cross for all humanity as seen here in Hebrews 12:2.)
11) For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified ARE ALL OF ONE: FOR WHICH CAUSE HE IS NOT ASHAMED TO CALL THEM BRETHREN,
Jesus didn't take on our humanity so he can be tempted and resist sin, he took on our humanity to redeem us as our Kinsman redeemer by way of the cross. See Revelation 5:2-9.
That brings us to Verses 17-18.
"Wherefore in all things IT BELOVED HIM TO BE MADE LIKE UNTO HIS BRETHREN, THAT HE MIGHT BE A MERCIFUL AND FAITHFUL HIGH PRIEST in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
FOR IN THAT HE HIMSELF HATH SUFFERED BEING TEMPTED, HE IS ABLE TO SUCCOUR THEM THAT ARE TEMPTED."
First let's deal with the word tempted.
Greek:
Transliteration: peiraz
Pronunciation: pi-rad'-zo
Definition: From G3984; TO TEST (objectively) that is endeavor 6
scrutinize entice discipline: - assay examine go about prove. .
Jesus entire life was a testing!!
Jesus was PROVOKED just like we are, that doesn't mean he was tempted to sin as if he had to withstrain him self from sinning.
We have the opportunity to do wrong as well as Christ. THE OPPORTUNITY IS THE TEST!
We have the opportunity to do wrong AND WE WANT TO DO IT. Christ didn't!
Because God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him! John 3:34.
God bless.
God bless you.
Then Satan tempted Jesus again and said I will give you all the cities in the world if you will fall down and worship me. Then Jesus said we worship God and him only do we worship.
Then Satan took Jesus on top of a building and Satan if thy jump off the top of this building the angels will come and catch thee and Jesus don't tempt the Lord thy God. So no just never sinned.
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