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Amanda God had a Divine purpose in mind for all the world when he made that great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven.... Gen 22:17 kjv ...Thats y the sower of the good seed wants to sow his precious seed in our hearts that we might birth a Baby Christ in our hearts (multiplication) ....Which is the ManChild the H.G. that is gonna rule all nations....God was so Passionate about this great Promise that he swore by his very self....God wants to live in humanity and be marrried to humanity via this Manchild the H.G. The gift of God which is the Kingdom in us....Thats y God wanted a new Covenant which wd be all inclusive....But this New Covenant had to be dedicated with the blood of JESUS...If i be lifted up i will draw all men unto me...God needed a lamb to dedicate this New Covenant...God saw that there was no man thus HIS OWN ARM BROUGHT HIM THE VICTORY...Jesus
......Whats the meaning of all this.... That God wd receive perfect Praise as Jesus said God is spirit and them that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth....HE SEEKETH SUCH TO WORHIP HIM....And its no wonder as he wants to be married to humanity.....And as Isaiah said he saw all the world at rest and full of his GLORY...12:41 KJV
......Jesus said outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has Perfected PRAISE.....Isaiah said a lil Child is gona lead them....The babes and sucklings are his offspring...Isaiah said he wd see his seed and be satisfied
......And thats y he must be Multiplied as the stars of Heaven....That every man might get a measure of Faith a GOOD seed to birth a Baby Christ the H.G....The Children of Promise....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....
Hi Amanda, I don't believe God necessarily chooses to know what we're going to do. He's powerful enough that He can choose to be in our timeframe if He wants. God can also change His mind, based on human input, like on destroying Sodom and Gomorrah. We have free will to choose and its totally up to us, we're not robots. So, the purpose of life is in our choices- to follow God and obey, or to follow evil and satan. To love or hate. Life is one big test in my opinion. God isn't going to just let everyone into heaven to disrupt and cause chaos. Satan apparently had freewill in heaven to do that and defy God. Fortunately we have grace and can stumble and have many chances. Sadly, most people will reject Jesus and go to hell, but there's a chance we can help those who are lost to share the truth. Matthew 7:13
God cannot reward or punish people for what they would or wouldn't have done but for what they did or didn't. Just think of an imaginary story that somebody is drawn into a courthouse and the Judge tells him " You are guilty because you will steel a car". The guy then responds to the Judge " But I didn't, how can you punish me for something I did not do?" It's the same with God.
Obedience and faithfulness are good virtues, and it's what God asks of us, but what God wants most from us is our Love, to (Love)Him.
You see, One of God's most highly decorated creation's rebelled against Him in the first world age, deceived 1/3 of His children to stand against Him, and Love not Him but Satan.
So instead of destroying His Children, those who stood against Him, roughly 4 billion, and because He Loves them whereby no matter what they do, if they repent and return to Him He will accept them, thus receiving the gift of eternal life; He destroyed that world age, created this one, sending all souls through human flesh with a letter(bible) and free will to choose who they want to Love.
God knows who you stood with in the first World Age,,, 1/3 stood with God, 1/3 stood with stood, and 1/3 stood idly by and did nothing.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
If you are asking what is God's purpose in knowing all that we will think or do, I must say that God does not choose to be all-knowing. He is all-knowing by nature. But being all-knowing ensures that God will direct history to the end He wills.
If you are asking what is the purpose for us to be able to make choices since God already knows what we will think or do, then their are several ways to think on this. One could think fatalistically thinking that since God knows all I'll ever think or do, what is the point of deciding anything or even caring about how I exercise my will, since God directs it. This is an unbiblical way of thinking.
The other way of thinking is that because God is all-knowing He will determine certain things to happen to us to help us come use our free will to obey Him. He can determine ahead of time certain events to occur in our lives that will strengthen our faith when we are in doubt. He may bring people or events to turn someone away from doing evil or turn someone to do what is right. He can also bring people and events into our lives that will helps us to use our free will to come to Him, follow Him, and serve Him.
God's omniscience does not interfere with our exercise of free will. He is far wiser and powerful enough to bless us, show mercy, and extend grace to us despite regardless of our own choices. He is truly the only FREE being, as nothing restrains Him or determines His ways or influences His choices. We, on the other hand, are influenced by our sinful nature and also by the Holy Spirit. We are limited in where we are born, who our parents are, etc. These are determined by God. We are restrained by forces of nature and by circumstances that make it impossible to do exactly as we please.
The purpose of it all, is to bring God's creation to TRUTH.
Creation is DECEIVED.
Sinful flesh (man) DIED ON THE CROSS; a NEW CREATION (Christ in you) arose.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ ....
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ....Christ IN YOU .....
John 17:23 I in THEM, and THOU in ME, that they may be PERFECT (Christ is the only one perfect) in one .....
Psalms 82:6 I have said, ye are gods, the children of the most high.
Philippians 1:29 For UNTO YOU it is GIVEN in the BEHALF of Christ, not only to BELIEVE on HIM (the word), but also to suffer for his sake.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature WAITETH for the MANIFESTATION of the Sons of God.
Why is creation WAITING?
Obadiah 1:21 And saviours (God's SONS, Christ and his brothers) shall come on mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau, and the kingdom SHALL BE the LORD'S.
Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the JUDGEMENT written, this HONOUR hath all his saints.
Romans 8:21 For the creature itself SHALL BE DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (death and the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things have been subdued unto him, then shall the son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that GOD may be ALL in ALL.
Billions of people; dead and in the grave, are AWAITING the arrival of Christ and his brothers at the resurrection of the dead: to be brought to TRUTH.
Proverbs 16:6 By MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is purged .....
You said "The purpose of it all, is to bring God's creation to TRUTH.
Creation is DECEIVED.
Sinful flesh (man) DIED ON THE CROSS; a NEW CREATION (Christ in you) arose.
THEN YOU QUOTE THESE SCRIPTURES.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ ....
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
HOW CAN WE BE DECEIVED BY THE GOOD PLEASURE AND WILL OF CHRIST.
And according to your theology SO WHAT! WE ALL GO TO HEAVEN.
Unless you are telling us that a deceived person will not.
You never answered when asked IF ANY AND EVERY VIEW IS ACCEPTED. WHY DO YOU GO THROUGH SUCH INTENSE MEASURES TO PITCH YOURS.
Why not let a person believe what he wants do what he wants if we all ends up with the same fate?
Here's the question again for YOU.
Why do it matter so much to you that we change our views and accept yours if in the end it doesn't matter? Not looking for verses, Just an explanation.
No one is going to change someones opinion, that's the Holy Ghost's job, we are just to preach truth.
Truth does not contradict God's words.
You don't go to heaven.
You (sinful flesh) DIED on the Cross, you, the (glorified) BODY of Christ, was raised back by the resurrection of Christ.
The Spirit (in a glorified body) goes back to God that gave it.
Christ, the glorified Body, (LIFE and TRUTH) is in man ( Colossians 1:27).
Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Those chosen in this age, WILL BE ONE with Christ: IN MAN bringing man to GOD ( John 1:51).
Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet (of man) be deceived when he has spoken such a thing, I the Lord HAVE DECEIVED that prophet .....
1 Thessalonians 2:11 For this cause GOD SHALL SEND them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
The whole world is DECEIVED, only the Holy Ghost can reveal truth.
1 Thessalonians 2:12 That they ALL (everyone of us) might be damned (JUDGED, now or later, by God's words) who believe not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL THINGS (in the ages to come) SHALL BE subdued to him, the shall the Son also himself be subject to him who put all things under him, that God may be ALL in ALL.
We either come to truth now; and become ONE with the WORD, in this age, or latter, in the ages to come. God's CHOICE.
Psalms 22:27 And all the ends of the world SHALL REMEMBER (when they are resurrected back into bodies of flesh and judged by God's words) and turn unto the Lord: for all kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
ALL God's WORDS will be fulfilled ( Isaiah 55:11).
A tad aggressive perhaps ? Why do any of us ( including u and I ) come on here ? If not to state our beliefs and discuss with others ? Why do u get so wound up when some one says something that u don't believe ? I don't c why there should b one rule for u and one rule for everyone else . Maybe u just want a site where everyone agrees with u and validates your beliefs all the time . It's not a personal attack on u when someone doesn't believe the same things as u do . I'm outta here .
It is true that God knows ahead of time what we are going to do. This does not mean that it is God forcing us to do things. We make decisions on our own. But something we must keep in mind is that God knows our hearts. In other words, He knows what decisions we are going to make, whether those decision are right or wrong. And He allows us to make decisions. But on the other hand, I believe that what God expects from us is obedience and faithfulness.
God is faithful to us, so it's not much for Him to ask the same in return. But we are constantly faced with decisions in life. What are we going to do? What is the Lord leading us to do? Do we follow the persuasion of God's Spirit in our lives, or do we go our own way? This is where the "God already knows who we are and what we going to do" comes in. He knows what decisions we are going to make because He knows our hearts.
Did you know that we make decisions based on who or what we love the most? It's true! For example, the Lord might be leading me to go to Bible study on Thursday night, but the latest movie I have been wanting to see comes out in the theater the same night, and a friend paid for two tickets and wants me to go. Now I have a choice to make. So what do I do? What or who do I love the most? Again, the Lord knows my heart. He knows ahead of time what choice I am going to make. But He doesn't make the choice for me, I make the choice.
So the purpose is that we are to remain faithful to the Lord. What is He leading us to do? He knows our hearts and what choices we are going to make. Are we going to be faithful?
......Whats the meaning of all this.... That God wd receive perfect Praise as Jesus said God is spirit and them that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth....HE SEEKETH SUCH TO WORHIP HIM....And its no wonder as he wants to be married to humanity.....And as Isaiah said he saw all the world at rest and full of his GLORY...12:41 KJV
......Jesus said outta of the mouths of babes and sucklings thou has Perfected PRAISE.....Isaiah said a lil Child is gona lead them....The babes and sucklings are his offspring...Isaiah said he wd see his seed and be satisfied
......And thats y he must be Multiplied as the stars of Heaven....That every man might get a measure of Faith a GOOD seed to birth a Baby Christ the H.G....The Children of Promise....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....
shall I do unto thee? and your piety/faithfulness is as a morning cloud,
and as the early dew it goeth away.
5 This is why I hewed them as declared by the prophets; I
have slain them by the words of My mouth: and My
judgment is as light that goeth forth.
6 For I desired lovingkindness/Love, and not sacrifice; and
the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
This is why I hewed them. Heb. idiom, by which the declaration that a thing should be done is spoken of the personal
act of doing it.
God cannot reward or punish people for what they would or wouldn't have done but for what they did or didn't. Just think of an imaginary story that somebody is drawn into a courthouse and the Judge tells him " You are guilty because you will steel a car". The guy then responds to the Judge " But I didn't, how can you punish me for something I did not do?" It's the same with God.
GBU
You see, One of God's most highly decorated creation's rebelled against Him in the first world age, deceived 1/3 of His children to stand against Him, and Love not Him but Satan.
So instead of destroying His Children, those who stood against Him, roughly 4 billion, and because He Loves them whereby no matter what they do, if they repent and return to Him He will accept them, thus receiving the gift of eternal life; He destroyed that world age, created this one, sending all souls through human flesh with a letter(bible) and free will to choose who they want to Love.
God knows who you stood with in the first World Age,,, 1/3 stood with God, 1/3 stood with stood, and 1/3 stood idly by and did nothing.
For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?
Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised;)
Can you please tell what scriptures or book the information is from that you are sharing on the first world age?
Thank you,
RLW
4 And saying, "Where is the promise of His coming ? for
from the day the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as
they were from the beginning of the creation."
5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of
God the heavens were of old, and the earth consisting of
... water and through ... water:
6 By which means the world that then was, being
overflowed with water, perished:
7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same
word are treasured up, reserved for fire unto a day of
judgment and destruction of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, let not this one thing be hidden from you,
that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a
thousand years as one day.
If you are asking what is God's purpose in knowing all that we will think or do, I must say that God does not choose to be all-knowing. He is all-knowing by nature. But being all-knowing ensures that God will direct history to the end He wills.
If you are asking what is the purpose for us to be able to make choices since God already knows what we will think or do, then their are several ways to think on this. One could think fatalistically thinking that since God knows all I'll ever think or do, what is the point of deciding anything or even caring about how I exercise my will, since God directs it. This is an unbiblical way of thinking.
The other way of thinking is that because God is all-knowing He will determine certain things to happen to us to help us come use our free will to obey Him. He can determine ahead of time certain events to occur in our lives that will strengthen our faith when we are in doubt. He may bring people or events to turn someone away from doing evil or turn someone to do what is right. He can also bring people and events into our lives that will helps us to use our free will to come to Him, follow Him, and serve Him.
God's omniscience does not interfere with our exercise of free will. He is far wiser and powerful enough to bless us, show mercy, and extend grace to us despite regardless of our own choices. He is truly the only FREE being, as nothing restrains Him or determines His ways or influences His choices. We, on the other hand, are influenced by our sinful nature and also by the Holy Spirit. We are limited in where we are born, who our parents are, etc. These are determined by God. We are restrained by forces of nature and by circumstances that make it impossible to do exactly as we please.
The purpose of it all, is to bring God's creation to TRUTH.
Creation is DECEIVED.
Sinful flesh (man) DIED ON THE CROSS; a NEW CREATION (Christ in you) arose.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ ....
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Colossians 1:27 ...this mystery ....Christ IN YOU .....
John 17:23 I in THEM, and THOU in ME, that they may be PERFECT (Christ is the only one perfect) in one .....
Psalms 82:6 I have said, ye are gods, the children of the most high.
Philippians 1:29 For UNTO YOU it is GIVEN in the BEHALF of Christ, not only to BELIEVE on HIM (the word), but also to suffer for his sake.
Romans 8:19 For the earnest expectation of the creature WAITETH for the MANIFESTATION of the Sons of God.
Why is creation WAITING?
Obadiah 1:21 And saviours (God's SONS, Christ and his brothers) shall come on mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau, and the kingdom SHALL BE the LORD'S.
Psalms 149:9 To execute upon them the JUDGEMENT written, this HONOUR hath all his saints.
Romans 8:21 For the creature itself SHALL BE DELIVERED from the bondage of corruption (death and the grave) into the glorious liberty of the children of God.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things have been subdued unto him, then shall the son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that GOD may be ALL in ALL.
Billions of people; dead and in the grave, are AWAITING the arrival of Christ and his brothers at the resurrection of the dead: to be brought to TRUTH.
Proverbs 16:6 By MERCY and TRUTH iniquity is purged .....
BELIEF will judge UNBELIEF.
God Bless YOU, his body.
You said "The purpose of it all, is to bring God's creation to TRUTH.
Creation is DECEIVED.
Sinful flesh (man) DIED ON THE CROSS; a NEW CREATION (Christ in you) arose.
THEN YOU QUOTE THESE SCRIPTURES.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ ....
Philippians 2:13 For it is GOD (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
HOW CAN WE BE DECEIVED BY THE GOOD PLEASURE AND WILL OF CHRIST.
And according to your theology SO WHAT! WE ALL GO TO HEAVEN.
Unless you are telling us that a deceived person will not.
You never answered when asked IF ANY AND EVERY VIEW IS ACCEPTED. WHY DO YOU GO THROUGH SUCH INTENSE MEASURES TO PITCH YOURS.
Why not let a person believe what he wants do what he wants if we all ends up with the same fate?
Here's the question again for YOU.
Why do it matter so much to you that we change our views and accept yours if in the end it doesn't matter? Not looking for verses, Just an explanation.
Still Waiting.
No one is going to change someones opinion, that's the Holy Ghost's job, we are just to preach truth.
Truth does not contradict God's words.
You don't go to heaven.
You (sinful flesh) DIED on the Cross, you, the (glorified) BODY of Christ, was raised back by the resurrection of Christ.
The Spirit (in a glorified body) goes back to God that gave it.
Christ, the glorified Body, (LIFE and TRUTH) is in man ( Colossians 1:27).
Philippians 2:13 For it is God (Christ in you) that worketh both TO WILL and TO DO his good pleasure.
Those chosen in this age, WILL BE ONE with Christ: IN MAN bringing man to GOD ( John 1:51).
Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet (of man) be deceived when he has spoken such a thing, I the Lord HAVE DECEIVED that prophet .....
1 Thessalonians 2:11 For this cause GOD SHALL SEND them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
The whole world is DECEIVED, only the Holy Ghost can reveal truth.
1 Thessalonians 2:12 That they ALL (everyone of us) might be damned (JUDGED, now or later, by God's words) who believe not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
1 Corinthians 15:28 And when ALL THINGS (in the ages to come) SHALL BE subdued to him, the shall the Son also himself be subject to him who put all things under him, that God may be ALL in ALL.
We either come to truth now; and become ONE with the WORD, in this age, or latter, in the ages to come. God's CHOICE.
Psalms 22:27 And all the ends of the world SHALL REMEMBER (when they are resurrected back into bodies of flesh and judged by God's words) and turn unto the Lord: for all kindreds of the nations shall worship before thee.
ALL God's WORDS will be fulfilled ( Isaiah 55:11).
God Bless You.
It is true that God knows ahead of time what we are going to do. This does not mean that it is God forcing us to do things. We make decisions on our own. But something we must keep in mind is that God knows our hearts. In other words, He knows what decisions we are going to make, whether those decision are right or wrong. And He allows us to make decisions. But on the other hand, I believe that what God expects from us is obedience and faithfulness.
God is faithful to us, so it's not much for Him to ask the same in return. But we are constantly faced with decisions in life. What are we going to do? What is the Lord leading us to do? Do we follow the persuasion of God's Spirit in our lives, or do we go our own way? This is where the "God already knows who we are and what we going to do" comes in. He knows what decisions we are going to make because He knows our hearts.
Did you know that we make decisions based on who or what we love the most? It's true! For example, the Lord might be leading me to go to Bible study on Thursday night, but the latest movie I have been wanting to see comes out in the theater the same night, and a friend paid for two tickets and wants me to go. Now I have a choice to make. So what do I do? What or who do I love the most? Again, the Lord knows my heart. He knows ahead of time what choice I am going to make. But He doesn't make the choice for me, I make the choice.
So the purpose is that we are to remain faithful to the Lord. What is He leading us to do? He knows our hearts and what choices we are going to make. Are we going to be faithful?
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