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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 199399

Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Chrys on Psalms 103 - 2 years ago
    does God heal or not? i broke my arm not too long ago, and he healed my arm. if someone has surgery for appendix, chances are pretty good that he will recover.....gallbladder surgery etc. those things will heal, but not your cancer or your asthma or your blindness. i do not understand this, and it is creating problems in my faith.

    what are promises of healing for? people say, oh he will be healed in the next life....well i hope so! we don't need the promises for the next life now do we? healing in Heaven is pretty much a given. and if the healing promises are not meant to work in this life then what about the others? are they for the next life too?

    i want someone to tell me, are we to look to God for healing? or not waste our time? i will tell you, He has saved my life more times than i can tell you in many different ways. but then i was not asking. bc they just happened and had happy endings, but now i am asking him, for this is serious (well many of the others were as well) and suddenly

    i don't trust that he will save me this time

    ty for what it's worth to you, yours is my favorite site (maybe my answer is in my question. i am so confused)
  • Nats - In Reply on Psalms 103 - 2 years ago
    Healing is for spirit flesh is nothing it corrupts ages dies . Healing the breach between us and our God . If we are in Jesus we are healed and with our God. We can break arms legs nose that's just our bodies doesn't matter . It's being close to God through Jesus this is true healing inner peace content waiting for Jesus knowing God's promises waiting for them . Trust God will keep promises .
  • Chrys - In Reply on Psalms 103 - 2 years ago
    Nats, thank you for your very kind reply. i kind of look at it this way:

    the law then

    grace and now

    suffering

    Jesus healing in his time was to show man who he was

    but we are living in the time of suffering and not healing

    i wish more churches would teach that Christianity is very hard

    and our very big responsibility in maintaining every moment of it our lives
  • GiGi again - In Reply on Psalms 103 - 2 years ago
    Nats,

    Our resurrected bodies will be like Jesus', with flesh and bones, but glorified, no longer corrupted nor corruptible by sin ever more and no longer mortal, able to physically die evermore.

    Nats, I say these things because there is a lot of people who believe that our eternal life will be as spirits and that the spiritual part of us is more important than our physical body, but the Scriptures does not put forth such a view. We are beings that are made to have a body, soul, and spirit forever. So our redemption is of our whole self, not just the spiritual aspects of our being. We are not able to divide ourselves up into three parts: body, soul, spirit, and still be a living human being. God made us this way.

    We should recognize that our sinfulness goes to every aspect of our being, all of us is corrupted. But Praise to our Lord, Jesus Christ, that He has thoroughly and completely redeemed us as a human being. Some of the benefits of this redemption we have in this life as a down payment or guarantee of the fullness of our redemption to come in the resurrection.
  • GiGi - In Reply on Psalms 103 - 2 years ago
    Dear Nats,

    I hear what you are saying here. However, our completeness or wholeness in Christ does involve our body, soul, and spirit. We are a unity of these, making us a human being. Our whole self is corrupted by sin, not just our flesh (body). I think we should always think of ourselves this way and not separate out our soul or spirit as good and our flesh as evil. This is the thinking of the Gnostics and the Docetists in the 1st and 2nd century which was wholly refuted by Apostle John in his epistle and by the leaders of the church at the end of the 1st and into the 2nd century A.D.

    God want to heal ALL of our being, and we will be completely healed of the damaging and deadly effects of sin throughout our whole being in the resurrection. In this life, before the resurrection, we can certainly ask for healing of any part of our being that is not well and not functioning as God would have it function. Sometimes He heals this part of our being that we ask Him to heal, and sometimes He does not, as, for instance, Paul's thorn in the flesh. But we can know that the Holy Spirit is sanctifying us soul and body and body ( 1 Thessalonians 5:23) until we are completely sanctified and preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. Sanctification frees the believer from sin and makes us pure and holy. Every aspect of our being is to be sanctified by the Holy Spirit, which is the process of re-creation that makes us completely well. As we see in 1 Corinthians 15:42-44

    "So also in the resurrection of the dead. The body is sown in corruption, it is raised in incorruption. It is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness, it is raised in power. It is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body" (NIV)

    Then in 1 Corinthians 15:53-

    "For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality." (NIV)

    So, we will be bodily raised from the dead at the resurrection as Jesus' body was raised....
  • Luke - In Reply on Psalms 103 - 2 years ago
    James 1:5 But if any of you lack wisdom, let him ask from God,That giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

    6 But let him ask in faith, nothing doubting.

    For he that doubteth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

    7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

    8 A double minded [unstable] man is unstable in all his ways.

    Be patient, have no doubts, ask God for wisdom.
  • Learn How To Fight the Devil and Be Strong in Faith - In Reply on Psalms 103 - 2 years ago
    Everything negative that results in unbelief in what Scripture, is at WAR with your mind and faith in God. If Satan is going to always attack our faith in God.

    You need to understand what Jesus did after Adam and Eve sinned. They lost their dominion and authority to exercise it, to Satan.

    Jesus would retrieve it in the future. He set aside his power, to be born as a Human. EARTH WAS MADE FOR HUMANS. Only a human could redeem it. Satan did not know what God was doing. When Jesus was anointed in Luke 4:18-19, His ministry began. He had all of His Powers returned to Him. He healed people, cast out demons. He had all AUTHORITY and POWER to do miracles. Satan was stripped.

    Jesus IMPARTED THAT AUTHORITY into BELIEVERS only. His followers who received His Baptism of the Holy Spirit ( John 3), have the authority of Jesus to do the same things Jesus did: heal, bind and cast out devils/demons; cleanse the afflicted, raise the dead (spiritually). Concentrate on what Jesus did and imparted into His FOLLOWERS. Our FAITH IN JESUS is our strength to maintain our peace and healing.

    Satan attacks our faith. HE IS NOT HUMAN. He has no authority to attack believers. But he still tries. He wants DOUBT to threaten and SHAKE OUR FAITH IN JESUS. If you let DOUBT enter your mind, it brings in other spirits to destroy your faith.

    Our faith is precious to God. Turn back to when your faith was new & strong. Stand on Gods WORD. As Jesus taught, BIND THE ENEMIES and CAST THEM INTO OUTER DARKNESS.

    Kick out DOUBT. Stand on Scriptures. Ephesians 6: scriptures are your SWORD. Enemies of your Faith are INVISIBLE. Perceive their Fruits: doubt, sickness, perversion, destroyer of faith. Ask Holy Spirit to give you the names. Only Bible will feed your faith. TV will erode it. Google Spiritual Warfare to learn how to fight back

    Jesus sits at the right Hand of God, interceding for us. He wants us to prevail and have what we pray for.

    Pray at all times. Be strong.
  • Adam - In Reply on Psalms 103 - 2 years ago
    Hi Chrys, that is a good question and one I have mulled over. I don't claim to be any authority on the subject, but happy to share thoughts.

    Jesus said if you pray in faith to move mountains you can. I don't know if that's literal or figurative. But I believe when we pray, I believe that we can pray in faith, and the answer may be no. Jesus even prayed to the Father to 'let this cup pass from me' to avoid the gruesome murder He was about to receive in order to pay for you and my sins. Matthew 26:39. Considering the outcome I speculate that the answer from God the Father to that prayer was 'no'. And I have no doubt that Jesus prayed in faith. So, my thinking is that if even Jesus can have prayer requests not fulfilled, then its likely that I won't get everything I want either.

    So, I don't think God is a magic genie to give us wishes. Instead I think we exist for God's pleasure.

    More evidence seems to support this, which is other characters in the Bible who had faith and prayed but still had disabilities, hardships. Like Paul had a thorn in the flesh, probably a physical disability. Moses had a speech impediment of some kind and felt insecure about leading the Israelites. God used them all anyway. Remember the verse of Paul saying God's strength is made perfect in our weakness? 2 Corinthians 12:9-10.

    We aren't promised health, wealth, and for perfect lives here. Those who teach prosperity stuff aren't preaching out of the Bible I'm reading. We're promised challenges, hardships, persecution. There are plenty of verses supporting this. Plus this life is extremely short and we don't take anything with us. We won't have these disabilities in the afterlife.

    I'm sorry to hear about your ailment. If its prostate cancer proton therapy actually works.I believe we should continue praying in faith and trusting God for whatever outcome He decides or allows. I also believe more people praying helps. Matthew 18:19-20. God bless.
  • Chrys - In Reply on Psalms 103 - 2 years ago
    thank you, Adam, i appreciate your reply

    God Bless everyone here that responded

    not one curt comment even though my own was rather flip

    thank you to everyone for your kindness



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