Bible Discussion Thread

Greetings from God almighty: the creator of heaven and earth and father of Jesus Christ:This book declare the truth, the importance of the commandments and truth about jesus. This also warn everyone about the Antichrist which is already there : paul his writing Roman,galatians, were wrong disregard the covenant of GOD to Abraham and CIRCUMCISION that is why he had initiated discord in the church and have fight against peter.after that the Jews were completely destroyed.' But he may have escaped he was in Rome and was a Roman ' Gen17:14 And the uncircumcised man child whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised, that soul shall be cut off from his people he had broken the covenant THIS IS EVERLASTING. Coincidentally the Jew was ruthlessly destroyed cut off by the Romans Empire .take note that ISMAEL followed the covenant and his children are Billion another co incidence.

God Almighty Bless us all

Isaac and Jacob were both circumcised__as was Ishmael.

God initiated a covenant with Abraham that the Jews would be circumcised. Genesis 17:7-14; 21

In Genesis 17:15-21. God initiated a Covenant with Abraham and his wife Sarah, that a child of their flesh would be born to them in one years time.

In Genesis 17:20 God tells of the blessing given to Ishmael and his descendants: wealth, princes, power, kingdoms. Genesis 15:4, God says Ishmael is not Abrahams heir.

The DEED to the Lands of Israel- Genesis 12:1-3, 6-7 and

Genesis 17:7-8. Genesis 15:12-21.

These are the issues that perpetuate struggles in the land of Israel. I know Ishmael was firstborn, but his mother is Hagar a handmaiden to Sarah. Abrahams wife was Sarah; the marriage covenant wife of Abraham. If you'll Google Hagars history, you'll see she returned to her people with Ishmael.

Later Sarah died and Abraham married another woman. Hagar returned there. I think I remember that she lived there for a time, but not in Abraham's household. Eventually she returned to her people. It's a very sad story.

I've lived missed opportunities myself. It's harsh. But we get up out of the ashes and see what God has planned for us, next.

Endings are usually sad, but new beginnings can be joyful.

Mishael

Larry B.

Not to debate you on this because to hold the view you hold you would have to ignore 2 thirds of scripture.

Here's just a few.

Ezekiel 11:17-20 Therefore say, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even gather you from the people, and assemble you out of the countries where ye have been scattered, and I will give you the land of Israel.

And they shall come thither, and they shall take away all the detestable things thereof and all the abominations thereof from thence.

And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

That they may walk in my statutes, and keep mine ordinances, and do them: and they shall be my people, and I will be their God.

Jeremiah 32:37-40. Behold, I will gather them out of all countries, whither I have driven them in mine anger, and in my fury, and in great wrath; and I will bring them again unto this place, and I will cause them to dwell safely:

And they shall be my people, and I will be their God:

And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them:

And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.

Isaiah 48:8-11. Yea, thou heardest not; yea, thou knewest not; yea, from that time that thine ear was not opened: for I KNEW THAT THOU WOULDEST DEAL VERY TREACHEROUSLY, AND WAST CALLED A TRANSGRESSORS FROM THE WOMB.

FOR MY NAME'S SAKE WILL I DEFER MINE ANGER, and for my praise will I refrain for thee, that I cut thee not off.

Behold, I have refined thee, but not with silver; I have chosen thee in the furnace of affliction.

FOR MINE OWN SAKE, EVEN FOR MINE OWN SAKE, WILL I DO IT: FOR HOW SHOULD MY NAME BE POLLUTED? And I WILL NOT GIVE MY GLORY UNTO ANOTHER.

God's name is tied to the existence and restoration of Israel.

Yes but they never followed God almighty. To the point that God send his only SON who they crucified hence their extinction.

Jerusalem was desolate hence in Ezekiel 43 he prophesied that Jerusalem will have people from the east. But the people from the east prefers Mohammad than Jesus. Leading us now to tribulation

Larry B but God did send his son who was prophesied to come as the sacrificial Lamb of God before time began. 1 Peter 1:20. And he did that for his name sake not their righteousness. God never gave them the land for their righteousness, he gave them the land because he promised Abraham. Read Deuteronomy 9.

SPEAKING ON SALVATION.

God is promises to Abraham wasn't by way of man's righteousness, We and Israel is heirs to the promise by faith. Read Galatians 3 and Galatians 4.

n Ezekiel 40:1-2. You see Ezekiel speaks of a vision, This vision is of the temple in the Millennium kingdom. He speaks on this vision of the coming kingdom on through the rest of the book.

Ezekiel 40:1-2.

"In the five and twentieth year of our captivity, in the beginning of the year, in the tenth day of the month, in the fourteenth year after that the city was smitten, in the selfsame day the hand of the LORD WAS UPON ME, AND BROUGHT ME THITHER.

IN THE VISIONS of God brought he me into the land of Israel, and set me upon a very high mountain, by which was as the frame of a city on the south."

Here in Ezekiel 43:1-2. he gives mention of the east gate and the Lord. No people from the east as you mentioned.

"Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east:

And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory."

Also read Romans 9,10, and 11.

God bless.

Read the verseKJV:afterwards he brought me to the gate,even to the gate that looks towards the east and yes he send his son

Jesus but the Muslim didn't accept him in spite of God telling them to honour him they're supposed to follow and e the workers of jesus,hence they 1230 days instead of forever

Hi Larry B.

The Ezekiel reference is future. "It's during the Millennium " Ezekiel is seeing a vision as Ezekiel 40:1-2 says.

But let's set that aside and be direct with one another. Your aim is to fight anyone who claims Israel exist. Atleast that's what your original post seems to say. I've sent you several verses where God says his promises depends himself and his honor as a father to them and not their obedience. God is not a liar and he doesn't make promises that he don't see through and when he promised to Abraham he promised by himself. Hebrews 6:13-18.

LISTEN TO THE LORD ASSURANCE TO THEIR EXISTENCE.

Jeremiah 31:35-36. Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:

If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

AS FAR AS I CAN TELL THE SUN AND THE MOON STILL SHINES!

VERSE 37 GIVES ASSURANCE IN A WAY THAT IT CONTRADICT YOU DIRECTLY.

Jeremiah 31:37. Thus saith the LORD; If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel FOR ALL THAT THEY HAVE DONE, saith the LORD.

GOD SAYS IF YOU CAN MEASURE HEAVEN AND THE FOUNDATIONS OF THE EARTH SEARCHED OUT BENEATH HE WILL CUT OUT THE SEED OF ISRAEL FOR ALL THE WRONG THEY HAVE DONE!!!

ARE YOU SAYING HE'S LYING?

Larry B you may not have to like Israel but you should be glad to see they still exist because if God's word and promises can't be trusted then we have no hope.

God bless.