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Question is other than the Saints and angels that come down with Jesus after or before the Armageddon is there still a population of people on the earth?
The Armageddon is going to take place in the Middle East in Israel area all nations are going to be involved the valley which is a dried upriver is where is going to take place, and the Armageddon battle is over.
The millennium starts.
But while the Armageddon battle is going on which last about 3 1/2 years the earth such as the US still has a population?
So, when Jesus starts the millennium with all his saints and angels there will still be a remaining of a population on earth?
During that time, I'm under the impression that the life expectancy of a surviving person on earth will probably be extended very similar the way it was before the flood?
And they would have an opportunity still there that time to accept Jesus as your savior?
People will still be born, and people will still die in the millennium?
And I completely know and understand that all the Saints have internal life.
"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."
so for those who think they are going to be whisked away are deluded to think so. Understand the rapture is at the END of the Millennium the 1000 years.
only those saved during the tribulation will have our Creators MARK IN THEIR FOREHEADS (Mind) basically what you believe to be true.
Revelation 7:3
"Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." 144,000 first fruits
i believe from scripture that number of first fruits is 153 the parable of the fish caught in the net John 21:11
I believe the number gathered is 33.333% of the world population
Jeremiah 31:34
"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
These are the people that the ALMIGHTY will protect under HIS WINGS during the tribulation.
Yehshua said in MATTHEW Elijah will come first RESTORE ALL THINGS? Before HIS COMING?
WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS BEING RESTORED? His Laws, His Statues, His Judgements, His Sabbath and holy set apart days the world are ignorant to or deceived into worshiping on the wrong days!!! of course HE allowed for all this to happen, because His Word tells us this would happen. Matthew 15:9
"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
the 7 year tribulation is a LIE so is a THIRD TEMPLE BEING BUILT LIES!!!!!. YOU, WE are the Temple, Yehshua is the Head He was also our Creators first witness
Yes, the earth will always be inhabited; this is where God's kingdom will be.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it; he created it not in vain, he formed it to be INHABITED: I AM the Lord, and NONE ELSE.
Ephesians 4:4 ONE Spirit (the Father, God) ...ONE Body (man's body) ...
Ephesians 4:6 ONE Father of ALL (bodies of man).... above ALL (bodies of man)).... through ALL (bodies of man)... and IN YOU ALL (bodies of man).....
1 Corinthians 15:28 .....that God may be ALL in ALL ....
Jeff yes i believe there is a Population left on this earth after the 2 nd coming.... Revelation 11:15....The Kingdoms of this World have become the Kingdoms of our lord and his Christ and he shall reign for ever and ever.
......And Revelation 12:5 ....She brought forth a manchild that is gona rule ALL NATIONS with a rod of iron....Why wd God send this manchild which is the H.G....The Spirit of truth that Jesus tells us will reprove the WORLD of sin and righteousness and judgement...If God were gonna do away with this beautiful earth...(All Nations )... John 16:8 ....When he the spirit of truth is come he will reprove the world of sin and judgement and Righteousness...So this world has no end...It even mentions that God will destroy them that destroy this earth...In Rev. 11 :18
......In Rev. 14 :6 I saw another mighty Angel having the everlasting Gospel to preach to all that dwell on the earth...To every Nation, ppl, kindred, tongue....Saying give Glory to him that made the earth and the heaven and fountains of waters.
......Why wd God send this angel to preach the everlasting gospel to all that dwell on the earth...If there were no Population to preach to....And y wd God have to send this mighty Angel to preach the everlasting gospel to all that dwell on the earth if the Churches had the everlasting Gospel...Plz note the Kingdom of God does not come till the woman births the manchild which is the H.G...That Spirit of truth...The Children of PROMISE....Our new heart and new spirit...We have to birth a new innerman via his good seed the word And Jesus said that he wd abide with us forever...So there is gona be a great Population right here on this earth....Seed time and HARVEST FOREVER.
Sorry to butt in . For what it's worth I believe the answer is yes . If we , the transfigured saints , are going to be kings and priests there will be humans who we have to look after . Sin and death won't be so strong in the Kingdom of God . People will live longer . After one thousand years sin will rear it's ugly head in a powerfull way and there will be a rebellion against God . Then comes the end of all humanity as the humans that have died during the one thousand years will be ressurescted and judged along with the living ones . The bad guys (and gals) will be destroyed in the lake of fire , the acceptable ones will be transfigured the same as us , God will be all in all and no more humans . That's my beliefs in brief . It's all there in Revelation and Zechariah . Not just in those two books , spread out through the Bible but those two give the clearest picture for me . Read it for yourself don't take my word . God bless .
Greetings Jeff, His word tells us in many scriptures and Psalms, HE is going to gather at the time of the end his scattered flock.
John 11:52
"And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad."
Understand Jeff there is NO RAPTURE!! as taught pre-tribulation.
Yehshua (jesus) said. Matthew 24:21
"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Yehshua also said: Matthew 24:20
"But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Notice the word "SABBATH DAY" and HE is talking about the End times Tribulation time. For those reading notice the Sabbath day is being KEPT just as its one of His 10 commandments to keep the Sabbath day Holy. A set Apart day ITS FOREVER!!
Deuteronomy 5:12
"Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee."
Deuteronomy 28:46
"And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever."
I recall back in the day when i was coming to understand the TRUTH that sets us free, I recall asking the question is the Sabbath day still to be kept? and which day is it? this is another long story!! but know Satan changed TIMES/LAWS as written in the book of Daniel, which Yehshua (Jesus) directs us to...... The MASTER POTTERS CALENDER was always determined by the NEW MOONS, 30 DAY MONTHS X 12 The NEW MOONS would determine the following Sabbath day for the next 30 days, if you require further understanding please ask. But in a nutshell Yehshua answered my query in MATTHEW 24:20
And for you people i noticed mention that the 1000 millennium reign is the Sabbath is ridiculous and not scriptural, 6 days you shall work and on the seventh day you shall rest. His Sabbath days are weekly and on the NEW MOONS rest days.
Yehshua kept His Fathers Sabbath and we are commanded also to keep, "IF " WE are to become His Children
I. CORINTHIANS 15:52 In a atom of time, in the twinkling of an eye, in the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
At the last trumpet sound, (Christ returns) and we all shall be changed,,,...,,,... changed into what? (Spiritual Bodies),,, all flesh instantly dies.
Find my post on "For what it's worth" for enlightenment of the dead shall be raised first.
Upon being changed, there is no population of Flesh/people on Earth anymore, ever amen.
The battle of Armageddon Rev 16:16 and Hamon-GOG Ezekiel 38, 39 The Judgement on Enemies, are two separate battles at the same time in two separate locations, and it pertains to the King of the North coming against the King of the south just (BEFORE) the moment of Christ's return when ALL are changed, The Earth will be a graveyard.
I believe that our resurrected bodies will be like Jesus' resurrected body with flesh and bones, as He said in Luke 24:39-39. Jesus rose in the same body that He died in, yet it was changed, though remaining physical as well as glorified. We will be raised in the same bodies we had before we died, yet will be as Jesus' body was at His resurrection, physical, yet glorified. In 1 Corinthians 15 it says that we will have a celestial body, not a terrestrial (which is corrupted by sin). Our bodies will be incorruptible in the resurrection and also immortal. It says: it is sown a natural body and raised a spiritual body. It also says in vs. 49 that we will bear the image of the heavenly Man (Jesus). so to me this says that our bodies will be like the risen body of Jesus.
I don't think that beyond these scriptural references we can really know much else definitively about our resurrection bodies.
I just look at what Scripture says and take it by faith.
I know, but that was Jesus in a transfigured body, He had not yet ascended; He was saying to the disciples a celestial/spiritual body has not flesh and Bones, as they see Him. ------ (in a transfigured one)
It wouldn't have the same effect on the disciples if He were in a spiritual body.
LUKE 24:39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself: handle Me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have."
I. CORINTHIANS 15:42 So is the resurrection of the dead also [with a different body].. It is sown in corruption [decay and ruin]; it is raised in incorruption [unending existence]:
I. CORINTHIANS 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness [sickness]; it is raised in power:
I. CORINTHIANS 15:44 It is sown a natural [animal life] body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
I haven't followed this post or many others due to out of town business.
I think you are spot on. Jesus was resurrected a spiritual body and you gave good supporting scripture.
1 Corinthians 15:44. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Jesus was sown ith our iniquities on him, He wouldn't be raised that same sinful body and go into the presence of the Father. When Jesus took on our sins he cried out MY LORD MY LORD WHY HAS THOU FORSAKEN ME!
I believe the misunderstanding is defining a spiritual body. It's still a body! It's a body no longer weighed down by our sin. If he was sown a natural body and raised a natural body then he wasn't quickened by the Spirit, and we are still in our sins.
We are baptized into Christ resurrection, Christ is the first fruit and the head of the body!
1 Corinthians 15:20.
Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, ( Hebrews 2:9 ) Afterwards there's no need of the natural body!
1 Corinthians 15:54-55
1 Corinthians 15:43. It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: ( This is talking about the body!
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 1 Corinthians 15:45
We wait to be changed like Christ resurrected body and be redeemed from corruption.
2 Corinthians 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
Romans 8:23. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Thank God for the first fruit because we shall be raised like him.
I know all of those Scriptural references. I just don't think that Jesus was raised a spiritual body. He was raised a physical body, the same one He died in, yet He had the ability to appear and disappear before the disciples, to also be unrecognized by His disciples (on the road to Emmaus). But He ascended in a physical body and the disciples were told that He will return in the same way. Stephen saw heaven opened and Jesus sitting at the right hand of the throne of God the Father. (Stephen recognized Jesus because Jesus is still in a glorified body). He mediates for us before the Father, as a human and as God's Son. Humans were made to have bodies. We have a physical body in this life, and in the resurrection, our bodies will be like Jesus' risen body.
I recognize that we may differ on this. So, I will end my participation in this discussion with you with this post. i am glad you expressed your opinion on this matter, as I have. We shall see in the resurrection how we will be embodied.
Jesus was raised a transfigured body i. e. resplendent with a divine brightness.
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood are not able to inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption [decay and ruin] inherit incorruption.
The disciples were told by two Angels ---- so come in like manner, as in, come down the way He went up, (from the Mount of Olives) as in, coming in the cloud, as He, was received by the cloud, visible, unexpected, save by those looking for Him, in the clouds of heaven, and to the same place whence He departed, Zechariah 14-4 .
Jesus didn't ascended on a White Horse, but He returns on one, I guess the two Angels forgot to mention that.
Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him (out of their sight.)
Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Zechariah 4:4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of
Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley [between the northern and southern half of Olivet]; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day (the day of the Lord: CHRIST IN YOU) on the mount of Olives, which is before (NEW) Jerusalem (Christ in you, the city made of LIVING stones), and the mount of Olives (which is the new Jerusalem) shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west (symbolic); and there shall be a very great valley (symbolic),and half of the mountain (symbolic) shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
This Mountain (symbolic of the people that make up this mountain); half represents the mount of Jacob and half the mount of Esau.
Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a FIRE (our God is a consuming FIRE: YOU WILL BE: the image of Christ) and the house of Joseph a Flame ( Luke 16:24), and the house of Esau for stubble; and they SHALL KINDLE IN THEM (as Christ did in you), and devour them, and there shall not be remaining any of the house of ESAU ( Zechariah 14:21); for the Lord hath spoken it.
Obadiah 1:21 And saviours (Christ and those called to be HIS IMAGE) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau; and the kingdom SHALL BE the LORD'S.
The called out; I AM the resurrection, will judge the whole world, the mount of Esau, after the resurrection of the dead.
Isaiah 26:9 ...for when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Hebrews 11:20 By faith Issac blessed Jacob and Esau CONCERNING THINGS TO COME.
Genesis 27:40 And by thy (Esau's) sword (not God's sword; the word) shalt thy live (and DIE, and at the resurrection of the dead thou shall ) SERVE THY BROTHER; and it shall COME TO PASS (when God's words shall be fulfilled) that thou (also) SHALT HAVE the dominion (the kingdom of God, Christ in you), that thou (through judgement) shall BREAK HIS YOKE from off your neck.
Psalms 22:All the ends of the earth shall REMEMBER ( Luke 16:25 ...Remember) and turn unto the LORD: (when his judgements are in the earth)
Acts 1:9 ....and he was taken up; and a CLOUD received him (Christ the GLORIFIED BODY out of their sight;
INTO MAN: his BODY).
Christ was taken into (NEW) heaven: MAN the BODY of CHRIST.
The CLOUD: the Glory and Presence of God ABIDING in, and on, God's temple.
Exodus 40:38 For the CLOUD of the Lord was upon the tabernacle (temple of God) by day, and FIRE (Hebrew 12:29) by night .....
2 Corinthians 6:16 ....for ye are the temple of the LIVING GOD ......
Colossians 1:27 ....this MYSTERY .....Christ in you .... HIS BODY .....HIS TEMPLE .....HIS LIFE ....HIS TRUTH...
Romans 8:29 .... to be CONFORMED (by the NEW BIRTH) to the IMAGE OF CHRIST ....
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the eyes of them WHICH BELIEVE NOT, lest the light of the GLORIOUS GOSPEL, should shine unto them.
Psalms 82:6 I (the word) have SAID; ye are gods, the children of the most high.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, IS IT NOT WRITTEN in your law, Ye are gods?
John 10:35 If he called them gods, TO WHOM the WORD of God CAME, the scripture CANNOT be broken.
Luke 9:23 .... If any man will come after me (the second coming of Christ: IN YOU) let him will DENY HIMSELF and take up his cross (first death) and follow ME (I AM the resurrection).
Ephesians 4:4 ...ONE Spirit (the Father) ....ONE Body (Man) ......
Christ the firstborn among many BRETHREN (the image of Christ).
Hello, i dont know the answer to your question, but just caution to watch out for anyone sharing opinions without ant scripture to back it up. Matthew 24:6 says there will be wars. God is love but satan is evil and ppl will do evil things. God will only tolerate this up to a point.
I do agree that we all need to be careful on what's being told to us, not only on this forum, but even in church.
However, if someone is just giving an opinion, why would they need scriptural proof to back up their opinion? An opinion is just that, an opinion. An opinion does not require proof. Now on the other hand, if someone is trying to give you a "Thus saith the Lord," and they don't back it up with scripture, that's a whole new story. But why scripture for just an opinion?
You say, "God is love but satan is evil and ppl will do evil things. God will only tolerate this up to a point," and you give no scripture for that, so are we to believe you are staying your opinion?
Please don't be upset by my reply. I just wanted to know why scripture backup is needed for an opinionated post?
Hello, my comment was in context of this thread and not some wide sweeping generalization as you may have assumed. Someone posted fiction towards the person with the question and my comment was to be careful if its not scriptural.
Thank you for clarifying that. Again I do agree that we have to be careful. I just don't agree that an opinion requires scripture proof. To me, that's what it looks like you said. I am not a mind reader so I had no way of knowing why you said that. I took your statement for what it said, not making an assumption on what it said. But thanks again for clarifying. Also, you did not answer my question. Is biblical proof required for an opinion?
Appreciate your reply back, I don't know the scripture by heart but I do know it says that when he returns and he brings all his saints and his angels that Every Eye will see him. And plus I understand at the end of the Armageddon the world is not destroyed until after the millennium. That may explain when he talks about the lion and the Lamb lying down together and the little child put his hand in the viper nest.
He says also in scripture (I cannot quote the verse yet but I will definitely look for it) that the world will be at peace for 1000 years. Which I believe based on what I've been listening to (David Jeremiah ) in reading that all the animals of all kinds Will be at peace with people plus that explains I think when it talks about the child and vipers nest during the 1000 years, I think people will still be on earth and live and die and have children.
But everything will be at peace and seek will be locked up for 1000 years.
I will study And find the Scriptures that support or indicates a possibility that the answer is yes and let you know.
That's what I believe also Jeff and I think that the 1000 year reign of Christ on earth is the true Sabbath . One day is as a thousand years to God and this earth will be a very different place to what it is now when Christ is here . People will not be in charge ! That's got to be a great society that will be a pleasure to live in .
It is not my duty to name the scripture, but copy paste works wonders.
Yes, there will be wars is exactly the psychological war that takes place IN YOUR MIND, which in the Bible is coded as Heaven and Earth, the Body.
"God is love but satan is evil" ? But God himself says... Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
and again... Romans 13:1
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God."
So it appears that what we have been TOLD is not exactly true. Like so many things
Once you search out all the Dogmas and... Matthew 15:9
"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
Let me enlighten you, when you battle each one of your beliefs that were bred and pounded into you, and you come to the Water of Truth within yourself... You will know all the monsters John the Revelator was talking about. That is the Battle. But once the MIND is renewed, the veil comes off the heart. 2 Corinthians 3:16
Blessings to you today. From your post it sounds like you are at odds with your religious upbringing.
I think that God places each of us in the family to the parents He chooses. That is why we are to honor our father and mother.
If you were brought up in a Christian home, I hope that you will indeed study each of the tenets of faith taught to you growing up and hold it up to the Scriptures. That is what every believer should do as they mature into adulthood. Most who have been raised in a Christian environment will find some of these tenets hold true to Scripture and some are not quite accurate to what Scripture teaches. Thus we correct our thinking in light of what the Scriptures reveal.
I hope that both of us will be given discernment in the truth of Scriptures as adults in how we understand the doctrines of the faith that are spoken too by the apostles in the Scripture.
Yes, I was raised Lutheran, sought many churches after leaving home, currently living near Niagara Falls NY, attending local Church until April 2020. I started reading the Apocrypha and The Dead Sea Scrolls in 2012. There are many other Coptic and Gnostic texts available that reveal many hidden lessons, parables, of Jesus. In those readings I came to an understanding that what is being taught in mainstream Christianity is a farce. We are missing the mark. We read this Book with our earthly eyes and earthly mind. But Jesus is represented as Spiritual being, surely his words are not earthy, literal, they are Spirit and they bring life. What does Jesus say?
Mark 7:7
"Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
Matthew 6:33
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."
Luke 17:20, 21
"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come,
he answered them and said,
The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:"
"Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
I obeyed Jesus fully, entered myself and my mind was transformed to understand the spiritual meaning.
Take a strong look at Matthew Ch 6, where Jesus teaches SPIRITUALLY not with our mind, how to pray.
Matthew 6:6
"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."
Matthew 6:22
"The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light."
and 5 times we are told to take no thought... that means, you can't enter heaven with the world on your mind.
Heaven is in the Right Brain, the creative side, the 90% we don't have access to, well Jesus lit the pathway back to Eden.
FOLLOW JESUS, all the way to the cross, it's not what we have been told.
There is no global armageddon. Do you honestly believe that God, who IS Love, who sent the King of Peace to the world would reveal himself in such a way? The Armageddon is a metaphor for the war that rages in ones mind as they battle these old Dogmas used by Religion, to constrain humanity. Jesus said We are the Light of the World. He said We are the Temple of the Living God. He said All these things I do you will do, even greater than these. Does that sound like a God coming back to destroy a World, or just the world you have been imprisoned in?
It all ends when you renew your mind in the water of truth. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. The Kingdom of God is within you. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. But to the Religious Zealots, like Nicodemus,(Nicodemus was a Pharisee and a member of the Sanhedrin) ...ye must be born again.
I recently heard a sermon on the moody channel about mental illness. What is meant by the word and how it affects us.
The sermon was about the words we hear and how we respond to it. A condition that if not taken seriously can seriously impair us, leaving us in a desperate condition of the mind. Running away from help, instead of too it.
That said, my experience of what is most needful, is a constant rescue from the H.G...
The world, though filled with misperception, or the conception of such deliverance, is most vital in any true believing Christian.
This help found in Him (the Holy Ghost).
One must constantly observe and be ready for the next attack on the mind. Satan always lurking about ready to attack at any moment.
Once he has the mind, the heart will follow.
The warring that we are presented with, can come in many forms, times, places, and or people.
So, "mental illness" could be characterized, as a condition of survival of the mind.
This our survival being the mind of Christ! We cannot live outside of Him! Vital to the survival of the mind!
A person who has the mind of Christ then, even though He may be mentally ill in the worlds mind, is in fact a warrior, for the kingdom of God!
The docs. the theologians (Pharisees), who think they have the ability to diagnose these symptoms, may in fact have no idea of what mentally illness is at all. And should remember the words, context, context, context. Repent and be Baptized
SwordBearer I agree its all in our minds our hearts etc....Jesus said out of the hearts of man proceeds all manner of evil...We war in the spirit....And our new heart and new spirit is in our minds....But this new heart and new spirit is a living being which is the H.G. The Child of Promise...That New Creature.... Gal. 6:15 ...Nothin availeth any thing in Christ Jesus but a new CREATURE....Not circumcision nor uncircumcision..only a new a creature which is the H.G. A baby Christ...Thats y we must be bornagain of an incorruptible seed....Thats y he is saying unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child impling a new Birth of a baby Christ in us which is that New HEART and new Spirit....Our new innerman has to be born in us....Plz note the Kingdom of God does not come till the woman births the manchild....Which is the H.G. the Child of PROMISE....Thats what the New Covenant is an intimacy with humanity...Thats y Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains Jeremiah 30 :6...I will KNOW KNOW them all from the least to the greatest Which is gonna result in a birth of Christ in everybody....And this intimacy/KNOWLEDGE is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas...As Jesus said if i be lifted up I will draw ALL ALL men unto me....When Daniel saw the New Covenant the book he describes it as WORDS OF WONDER....In Daniel 12 :6 ....Its my belief that the reason he always refers to himself as the SON OF MAN....Is b/c mankind is gonna birth a Baby Christ which is spirit the H.G.....Thats y he said that which is born born of the Spirit is spirit...Thats the H.G....That Child of Promise...The Kingdom unless you receive the Kingdom as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in....gb
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The Armageddon is going to take place in the Middle East in Israel area all nations are going to be involved the valley which is a dried upriver is where is going to take place, and the Armageddon battle is over.
The millennium starts.
But while the Armageddon battle is going on which last about 3 1/2 years the earth such as the US still has a population?
So, when Jesus starts the millennium with all his saints and angels there will still be a remaining of a population on earth?
During that time, I'm under the impression that the life expectancy of a surviving person on earth will probably be extended very similar the way it was before the flood?
And they would have an opportunity still there that time to accept Jesus as your savior?
People will still be born, and people will still die in the millennium?
And I completely know and understand that all the Saints have internal life.
Thanks!
Yehshua also said Revelation 6:11
"And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled."
so for those who think they are going to be whisked away are deluded to think so. Understand the rapture is at the END of the Millennium the 1000 years.
only those saved during the tribulation will have our Creators MARK IN THEIR FOREHEADS (Mind) basically what you believe to be true.
Revelation 7:3
"Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads." 144,000 first fruits
i believe from scripture that number of first fruits is 153 the parable of the fish caught in the net John 21:11
I believe the number gathered is 33.333% of the world population
Jeremiah 31:34
"And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."
These are the people that the ALMIGHTY will protect under HIS WINGS during the tribulation.
Yehshua said in MATTHEW Elijah will come first RESTORE ALL THINGS? Before HIS COMING?
WHAT DO YOU THINK? IS BEING RESTORED? His Laws, His Statues, His Judgements, His Sabbath and holy set apart days the world are ignorant to or deceived into worshiping on the wrong days!!! of course HE allowed for all this to happen, because His Word tells us this would happen. Matthew 15:9
"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
the 7 year tribulation is a LIE so is a THIRD TEMPLE BEING BUILT LIES!!!!!. YOU, WE are the Temple, Yehshua is the Head He was also our Creators first witness
you need to understand Zechariah 4:14
Is there a population left on the earth after Armageddon and after return of the second coming.
Thanks!
Yes, the earth will always be inhabited; this is where God's kingdom will be.
Isaiah 45:18 For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it; he created it not in vain, he formed it to be INHABITED: I AM the Lord, and NONE ELSE.
Ephesians 4:4 ONE Spirit (the Father, God) ...ONE Body (man's body) ...
Ephesians 4:6 ONE Father of ALL (bodies of man).... above ALL (bodies of man)).... through ALL (bodies of man)... and IN YOU ALL (bodies of man).....
1 Corinthians 15:28 .....that God may be ALL in ALL ....
God's earth "WILL BE" PERFECTLY INHABITED.
God Bless YOU, Christ's body.
......And Revelation 12:5 ....She brought forth a manchild that is gona rule ALL NATIONS with a rod of iron....Why wd God send this manchild which is the H.G....The Spirit of truth that Jesus tells us will reprove the WORLD of sin and righteousness and judgement...If God were gonna do away with this beautiful earth...(All Nations )... John 16:8 ....When he the spirit of truth is come he will reprove the world of sin and judgement and Righteousness...So this world has no end...It even mentions that God will destroy them that destroy this earth...In Rev. 11 :18
......In Rev. 14 :6 I saw another mighty Angel having the everlasting Gospel to preach to all that dwell on the earth...To every Nation, ppl, kindred, tongue....Saying give Glory to him that made the earth and the heaven and fountains of waters.
......Why wd God send this angel to preach the everlasting gospel to all that dwell on the earth...If there were no Population to preach to....And y wd God have to send this mighty Angel to preach the everlasting gospel to all that dwell on the earth if the Churches had the everlasting Gospel...Plz note the Kingdom of God does not come till the woman births the manchild which is the H.G...That Spirit of truth...The Children of PROMISE....Our new heart and new spirit...We have to birth a new innerman via his good seed the word And Jesus said that he wd abide with us forever...So there is gona be a great Population right here on this earth....Seed time and HARVEST FOREVER.
John 11:52
"And not for that nation only, but that also he should gather together in one the children of God that were scattered abroad."
Understand Jeff there is NO RAPTURE!! as taught pre-tribulation.
Yehshua (jesus) said. Matthew 24:21
"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Yehshua also said: Matthew 24:20
"But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Notice the word "SABBATH DAY" and HE is talking about the End times Tribulation time. For those reading notice the Sabbath day is being KEPT just as its one of His 10 commandments to keep the Sabbath day Holy. A set Apart day ITS FOREVER!!
Deuteronomy 5:12
"Keep the sabbath day to sanctify it, as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee."
Deuteronomy 28:46
"And they shall be upon thee for a sign and for a wonder, and upon thy seed for ever."
I recall back in the day when i was coming to understand the TRUTH that sets us free, I recall asking the question is the Sabbath day still to be kept? and which day is it? this is another long story!! but know Satan changed TIMES/LAWS as written in the book of Daniel, which Yehshua (Jesus) directs us to...... The MASTER POTTERS CALENDER was always determined by the NEW MOONS, 30 DAY MONTHS X 12 The NEW MOONS would determine the following Sabbath day for the next 30 days, if you require further understanding please ask. But in a nutshell Yehshua answered my query in MATTHEW 24:20
And for you people i noticed mention that the 1000 millennium reign is the Sabbath is ridiculous and not scriptural, 6 days you shall work and on the seventh day you shall rest. His Sabbath days are weekly and on the NEW MOONS rest days.
Yehshua kept His Fathers Sabbath and we are commanded also to keep, "IF " WE are to become His Children
T.B.C
At the last trumpet sound, (Christ returns) and we all shall be changed,,,...,,,... changed into what? (Spiritual Bodies),,, all flesh instantly dies.
Find my post on "For what it's worth" for enlightenment of the dead shall be raised first.
Upon being changed, there is no population of Flesh/people on Earth anymore, ever amen.
The battle of Armageddon Rev 16:16 and Hamon-GOG Ezekiel 38, 39 The Judgement on Enemies, are two separate battles at the same time in two separate locations, and it pertains to the King of the North coming against the King of the south just (BEFORE) the moment of Christ's return when ALL are changed, The Earth will be a graveyard.
I believe that our resurrected bodies will be like Jesus' resurrected body with flesh and bones, as He said in Luke 24:39-39. Jesus rose in the same body that He died in, yet it was changed, though remaining physical as well as glorified. We will be raised in the same bodies we had before we died, yet will be as Jesus' body was at His resurrection, physical, yet glorified. In 1 Corinthians 15 it says that we will have a celestial body, not a terrestrial (which is corrupted by sin). Our bodies will be incorruptible in the resurrection and also immortal. It says: it is sown a natural body and raised a spiritual body. It also says in vs. 49 that we will bear the image of the heavenly Man (Jesus). so to me this says that our bodies will be like the risen body of Jesus.
I don't think that beyond these scriptural references we can really know much else definitively about our resurrection bodies.
I just look at what Scripture says and take it by faith.
I know, but that was Jesus in a transfigured body, He had not yet ascended; He was saying to the disciples a celestial/spiritual body has not flesh and Bones, as they see Him. ------ (in a transfigured one)
It wouldn't have the same effect on the disciples if He were in a spiritual body.
LUKE 24:39 Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself: handle Me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see Me have."
I. CORINTHIANS 15:42 So is the resurrection of the dead also [with a different body].. It is sown in corruption [decay and ruin]; it is raised in incorruption [unending existence]:
I. CORINTHIANS 15:43 It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness [sickness]; it is raised in power:
I. CORINTHIANS 15:44 It is sown a natural [animal life] body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
I haven't followed this post or many others due to out of town business.
I think you are spot on. Jesus was resurrected a spiritual body and you gave good supporting scripture.
1 Corinthians 15:44. It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
Jesus was sown ith our iniquities on him, He wouldn't be raised that same sinful body and go into the presence of the Father. When Jesus took on our sins he cried out MY LORD MY LORD WHY HAS THOU FORSAKEN ME!
I believe the misunderstanding is defining a spiritual body. It's still a body! It's a body no longer weighed down by our sin. If he was sown a natural body and raised a natural body then he wasn't quickened by the Spirit, and we are still in our sins.
We are baptized into Christ resurrection, Christ is the first fruit and the head of the body!
1 Corinthians 15:20.
Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, ( Hebrews 2:9 ) Afterwards there's no need of the natural body!
1 Corinthians 15:54-55
1 Corinthians 15:43. It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power: ( This is talking about the body!
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. 1 Corinthians 15:45
We wait to be changed like Christ resurrected body and be redeemed from corruption.
2 Corinthians 5:4 For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life.
Romans 8:23. And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Thank God for the first fruit because we shall be raised like him.
God bless.
I know all of those Scriptural references. I just don't think that Jesus was raised a spiritual body. He was raised a physical body, the same one He died in, yet He had the ability to appear and disappear before the disciples, to also be unrecognized by His disciples (on the road to Emmaus). But He ascended in a physical body and the disciples were told that He will return in the same way. Stephen saw heaven opened and Jesus sitting at the right hand of the throne of God the Father. (Stephen recognized Jesus because Jesus is still in a glorified body). He mediates for us before the Father, as a human and as God's Son. Humans were made to have bodies. We have a physical body in this life, and in the resurrection, our bodies will be like Jesus' risen body.
I recognize that we may differ on this. So, I will end my participation in this discussion with you with this post. i am glad you expressed your opinion on this matter, as I have. We shall see in the resurrection how we will be embodied.
Jesus was raised a transfigured body i. e. resplendent with a divine brightness.
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood are not able to inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption [decay and ruin] inherit incorruption.
The disciples were told by two Angels ---- so come in like manner, as in, come down the way He went up, (from the Mount of Olives) as in, coming in the cloud, as He, was received by the cloud, visible, unexpected, save by those looking for Him, in the clouds of heaven, and to the same place whence He departed, Zechariah 14-4 .
Jesus didn't ascended on a White Horse, but He returns on one, I guess the two Angels forgot to mention that.
Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him (out of their sight.)
Acts 1:11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
Zechariah 4:4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of
Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley [between the northern and southern half of Olivet]; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day (the day of the Lord: CHRIST IN YOU) on the mount of Olives, which is before (NEW) Jerusalem (Christ in you, the city made of LIVING stones), and the mount of Olives (which is the new Jerusalem) shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west (symbolic); and there shall be a very great valley (symbolic),and half of the mountain (symbolic) shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
This Mountain (symbolic of the people that make up this mountain); half represents the mount of Jacob and half the mount of Esau.
Obadiah 1:18 And the house of Jacob shall be a FIRE (our God is a consuming FIRE: YOU WILL BE: the image of Christ) and the house of Joseph a Flame ( Luke 16:24), and the house of Esau for stubble; and they SHALL KINDLE IN THEM (as Christ did in you), and devour them, and there shall not be remaining any of the house of ESAU ( Zechariah 14:21); for the Lord hath spoken it.
Obadiah 1:21 And saviours (Christ and those called to be HIS IMAGE) shall come upon mount Zion to JUDGE the mount of Esau; and the kingdom SHALL BE the LORD'S.
The called out; I AM the resurrection, will judge the whole world, the mount of Esau, after the resurrection of the dead.
Isaiah 26:9 ...for when thy judgements are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world will learn righteousness.
Hebrews 11:20 By faith Issac blessed Jacob and Esau CONCERNING THINGS TO COME.
Genesis 27:40 And by thy (Esau's) sword (not God's sword; the word) shalt thy live (and DIE, and at the resurrection of the dead thou shall ) SERVE THY BROTHER; and it shall COME TO PASS (when God's words shall be fulfilled) that thou (also) SHALT HAVE the dominion (the kingdom of God, Christ in you), that thou (through judgement) shall BREAK HIS YOKE from off your neck.
Psalms 22:All the ends of the earth shall REMEMBER ( Luke 16:25 ...Remember) and turn unto the LORD: (when his judgements are in the earth)
Acts 1:9 ....and he was taken up; and a CLOUD received him (Christ the GLORIFIED BODY out of their sight;
INTO MAN: his BODY).
Christ was taken into (NEW) heaven: MAN the BODY of CHRIST.
The CLOUD: the Glory and Presence of God ABIDING in, and on, God's temple.
Exodus 40:38 For the CLOUD of the Lord was upon the tabernacle (temple of God) by day, and FIRE (Hebrew 12:29) by night .....
2 Corinthians 6:16 ....for ye are the temple of the LIVING GOD ......
Colossians 1:27 ....this MYSTERY .....Christ in you .... HIS BODY .....HIS TEMPLE .....HIS LIFE ....HIS TRUTH...
Romans 8:29 .... to be CONFORMED (by the NEW BIRTH) to the IMAGE OF CHRIST ....
2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the eyes of them WHICH BELIEVE NOT, lest the light of the GLORIOUS GOSPEL, should shine unto them.
Psalms 82:6 I (the word) have SAID; ye are gods, the children of the most high.
John 10:34 Jesus answered them, IS IT NOT WRITTEN in your law, Ye are gods?
John 10:35 If he called them gods, TO WHOM the WORD of God CAME, the scripture CANNOT be broken.
Luke 9:23 .... If any man will come after me (the second coming of Christ: IN YOU) let him will DENY HIMSELF and take up his cross (first death) and follow ME (I AM the resurrection).
Ephesians 4:4 ...ONE Spirit (the Father) ....ONE Body (Man) ......
Christ the firstborn among many BRETHREN (the image of Christ).
God Bless you (the body Christ).
I do agree that we all need to be careful on what's being told to us, not only on this forum, but even in church.
However, if someone is just giving an opinion, why would they need scriptural proof to back up their opinion? An opinion is just that, an opinion. An opinion does not require proof. Now on the other hand, if someone is trying to give you a "Thus saith the Lord," and they don't back it up with scripture, that's a whole new story. But why scripture for just an opinion?
You say, "God is love but satan is evil and ppl will do evil things. God will only tolerate this up to a point," and you give no scripture for that, so are we to believe you are staying your opinion?
Please don't be upset by my reply. I just wanted to know why scripture backup is needed for an opinionated post?
Thank you for clarifying that. Again I do agree that we have to be careful. I just don't agree that an opinion requires scripture proof. To me, that's what it looks like you said. I am not a mind reader so I had no way of knowing why you said that. I took your statement for what it said, not making an assumption on what it said. But thanks again for clarifying. Also, you did not answer my question. Is biblical proof required for an opinion?
Appreciate your reply back, I don't know the scripture by heart but I do know it says that when he returns and he brings all his saints and his angels that Every Eye will see him. And plus I understand at the end of the Armageddon the world is not destroyed until after the millennium. That may explain when he talks about the lion and the Lamb lying down together and the little child put his hand in the viper nest.
He says also in scripture (I cannot quote the verse yet but I will definitely look for it) that the world will be at peace for 1000 years. Which I believe based on what I've been listening to (David Jeremiah ) in reading that all the animals of all kinds Will be at peace with people plus that explains I think when it talks about the child and vipers nest during the 1000 years, I think people will still be on earth and live and die and have children.
But everything will be at peace and seek will be locked up for 1000 years.
I will study And find the Scriptures that support or indicates a possibility that the answer is yes and let you know.
Thanks!
Yes, there will be wars is exactly the psychological war that takes place IN YOUR MIND, which in the Bible is coded as Heaven and Earth, the Body.
"God is love but satan is evil" ? But God himself says... Isaiah 45:7
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."
and again... Romans 13:1
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God."
So it appears that what we have been TOLD is not exactly true. Like so many things
Once you search out all the Dogmas and... Matthew 15:9
"But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
Let me enlighten you, when you battle each one of your beliefs that were bred and pounded into you, and you come to the Water of Truth within yourself... You will know all the monsters John the Revelator was talking about. That is the Battle. But once the MIND is renewed, the veil comes off the heart. 2 Corinthians 3:16
Christ in you, the hope of glory.
Blessings to you today. From your post it sounds like you are at odds with your religious upbringing.
I think that God places each of us in the family to the parents He chooses. That is why we are to honor our father and mother.
If you were brought up in a Christian home, I hope that you will indeed study each of the tenets of faith taught to you growing up and hold it up to the Scriptures. That is what every believer should do as they mature into adulthood. Most who have been raised in a Christian environment will find some of these tenets hold true to Scripture and some are not quite accurate to what Scripture teaches. Thus we correct our thinking in light of what the Scriptures reveal.
I hope that both of us will be given discernment in the truth of Scriptures as adults in how we understand the doctrines of the faith that are spoken too by the apostles in the Scripture.
Yes, I was raised Lutheran, sought many churches after leaving home, currently living near Niagara Falls NY, attending local Church until April 2020. I started reading the Apocrypha and The Dead Sea Scrolls in 2012. There are many other Coptic and Gnostic texts available that reveal many hidden lessons, parables, of Jesus. In those readings I came to an understanding that what is being taught in mainstream Christianity is a farce. We are missing the mark. We read this Book with our earthly eyes and earthly mind. But Jesus is represented as Spiritual being, surely his words are not earthy, literal, they are Spirit and they bring life. What does Jesus say?
Mark 7:7
"Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men."
Matthew 6:33
"But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you."
Luke 17:20, 21
"And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come,
he answered them and said,
The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:"
"Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."
I obeyed Jesus fully, entered myself and my mind was transformed to understand the spiritual meaning.
Take a strong look at Matthew Ch 6, where Jesus teaches SPIRITUALLY not with our mind, how to pray.
Matthew 6:6
"But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly."
Matthew 6:22
"The light of the body is the eye: if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light."
and 5 times we are told to take no thought... that means, you can't enter heaven with the world on your mind.
Heaven is in the Right Brain, the creative side, the 90% we don't have access to, well Jesus lit the pathway back to Eden.
FOLLOW JESUS, all the way to the cross, it's not what we have been told.
It all ends when you renew your mind in the water of truth. But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you. The Kingdom of God is within you. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given. Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away the key of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering in ye hindered. But to the Religious Zealots, like Nicodemus,(Nicodemus was a Pharisee and a member of the Sanhedrin) ...ye must be born again.
It all ends and begins with your mind.
The sermon was about the words we hear and how we respond to it. A condition that if not taken seriously can seriously impair us, leaving us in a desperate condition of the mind. Running away from help, instead of too it.
That said, my experience of what is most needful, is a constant rescue from the H.G...
The world, though filled with misperception, or the conception of such deliverance, is most vital in any true believing Christian.
This help found in Him (the Holy Ghost).
One must constantly observe and be ready for the next attack on the mind. Satan always lurking about ready to attack at any moment.
Once he has the mind, the heart will follow.
The warring that we are presented with, can come in many forms, times, places, and or people.
So, "mental illness" could be characterized, as a condition of survival of the mind.
This our survival being the mind of Christ! We cannot live outside of Him! Vital to the survival of the mind!
A person who has the mind of Christ then, even though He may be mentally ill in the worlds mind, is in fact a warrior, for the kingdom of God!
The docs. the theologians (Pharisees), who think they have the ability to diagnose these symptoms, may in fact have no idea of what mentally illness is at all. And should remember the words, context, context, context. Repent and be Baptized
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