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A question for anyone and everyone regarding the book of Revelation . An elderly brother in my congregation told me this and I'm interested to know what others think . Firstly , none of Revelation refers to things that happened before this revelation was given to John , verse one states : things which must shortly come to pass . Secondly when John says in verse ten : I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day , John is not referring to a Sunday but to The Day that we're all waiting for , the day of Christ's return and thirdly that as it is a day , that it's all about things that will happen in the one thousand years just before Christ returns , as one day is as a thousand years to God , and Christ returns at the end of this last day . Lots to think about there , what do you think ? All answers will be read and appreciated , though if I get lots I may not be able to reply to them all , thanks .
I just wanted to elaborate on what I said that "John got to see the future happen before it happens, while it's happening," because what I said sounds like a little Dr. Suess going on here.
I like to use the analogy of when you watch a movie for the first time, especially where they create these moments when you're fixed on the screen, and then all of a sudden somebody jumps out and screams, and you just about have a heart attack. Or you really don't know what's going to happen and you're on pins and needles through the whole thing.
Well, after you watch it once, and somebody says have you watched this movie? Yes I have. Well, I haven't, do you want to watch it with me? Sure, this is going to be good!
And you're sitting there and you know exactly what's going to happen because you've seen it. It's already happened.
If we understand this about God, we are living in the present, the now. Every second and every minute is new to us because we've never been there before. Things happen in our day. But God's already been there and it's already happened. It's a re-run to Him. He's not surprised!
It is comforting to know that God, who is outside our time domain and space factor in which we live, but with God, He knows everything from the beginning to the end.
But John got to see it all. John saw the future happen, before it happened, while it was happening.
I hold the historical/prophetic view of the book of Revelation. I see the book of Revelation as being both historical and futuristic. I understand the seven churches in Chapters 2 and 3 were literal churches in John's day, and that the events in Chapters 4 through 22 are yet future.
Whatever view a person takes, it must fit in with what John saw in the past. He just saw the vision of Christ, the things that are, that is, the condition of the churches in John's day, and the things that will be after the church (Chapters 4 through 22).
It must fit into that past, present, and future scheme that the book of Revelation divides up for us.
In Revelation 1:10, John says, " I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day."
The phrase "I was in the Spirit," in the King James translation, Spirit is capitalized to indicate the Holy Spirit. But in the Greek text, there is no word "the." There's no definite article. And the spirit is understood to be not the Holy Spirit, but the spirit realm. And we see that throughout the book, he was caught up in spirit.
And then he says on the Lord's day. And in the bible, Sunday is never called the Lord's day, which you also alluded to.
The scriptures tell us that this is an OT term for the day of the Lord, or Lord's day, and it is a reference to the day of judgment.
It is called the Lord's day in Isaiah 2:12, and Zephaniah 1:14-16. Even Paul, in 1 Thessalonians 5:2, he used that Jewish phrase from the Old Testament, and says that the day of the Lord is going to come as a thief in the night. But you don't have to worry because you're children of light.
Peter also, in 2 Peter 3:10 used the same phrase as the day of judgment of God.
When John was caught up to see the Lord's day, this period of judgment, he got to see the future happen before it happens, while it's happening. He saw everything from where he's at, all the way to the end, and what's going to happen at the end. It just hasn't happened yet for us
Jesse you won't be offended if l make some linguistic corrections, will you?
a. The greek text says "bacame/was/was made in spirit". In greek Bibles it is always interpreted as " came into spiritual ecstasy.
b. People at that time used only capital letters without punctuation. It was a lot later that small letters and punctuation came in use.
c. In Rev 1, Lord's Day is Sunday actually. History. The early church greek christians abandoned the pagan names of the week and started using the Hebrew ones (First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Preparation, Sabbath), with one exception, they renamed the first day as Lord's Day to honor the day Jesus was resurrected from the dead and use it as their formal day for the church service. These names are still in use in Greece and few other countries as well. The name Lord's Day for Sunday is still in use in Romance languages too ie Italian (Domenica), Spanish (Domingo), French (Dimanche), even in English speaking countries the R.Catholic church uses this name in their Liturgies. ..
In the Book of Acts Sunday is still called the first day of the week, but the Revelation was written more than 50 years later (100AD) at a time when the name Lord's Day came in use among christians. Apart from the Bibke, the first early christian to mention this name was Justin the martyr in his "First Apology". (approx. 150AD).
Linguistically talking since you study Koine Greek, If it was "day of the Lord" as the day of the second coming of Jesus or the day of judgement, in Greek it would have been " ten hemera toy Kyriou" but it is "ten Kyriake hemera" [in your Lexicon instead of "y" it has "u" I believe, this is due to a change of pronouncing the greek letter u(y)psilon from antiquity to nowadays]. It is a different expression because it is reffered to that specific day of the week, Sunday
Greetings in the mighty name of Jesus our Savior. I just want to thank you for breaking down the question from the Book of Revelation (the Day of the Lord). Many young Christians are not able to understand some of the writings. You have made it so clear that even a child can understand. I thank you so much. God bless and keep you well and protected. In Jesus' name.
Not sure am understanding the first question, but Revelation 12 does mention past events, it refers to the birth of this 2nd world age i.e 12: 1-12. IN HEAVEN. (Woman, Child, and Dragon.) [Satan's First Rebellion]
The events are not consecutive throughout but it doesn't interfere with the study.
And In reference to the latter part of your comment :So to be clear, Christ return's just (after) the five month tribulation, thus ending this dispensation of time, whereby beginning the first day of the millennium, the 3rd world age (The Lords Day) where John was taken to in spirit in verse 10 where he is told to write it and send it.
The events leading up to The Lords Day (or) just before, are written of in the Book of Joel.
Joel's prophecy, No references are made to time, because it looks onward to the time of the end, and the events that will usher in "the Day of the Lord".
Information that cannot be known by the five senses it is supernatural it is not
analytical. Example in Acts Chapter 10 when Peter saw heaven open and
The vision of the vessel with animals that was revealed info or given by the
Spirit information to either show teach or explain what God wants done. It
Never contradicts scripture and always Glorifies God and blessed the receiver
And those it pertains to. To unbelievers most of the time it's not good news.
Also the true God will always communicate to the individual so they understand
It and there:s never confusion. This is in addition to what Jesse shared.
I just wanted to elaborate on what I said that "John got to see the future happen before it happens, while it's happening," because what I said sounds like a little Dr. Suess going on here.
I like to use the analogy of when you watch a movie for the first time, especially where they create these moments when you're fixed on the screen, and then all of a sudden somebody jumps out and screams, and you just about have a heart attack. Or you really don't know what's going to happen and you're on pins and needles through the whole thing.
Well, after you watch it once, and somebody says have you watched this movie? Yes I have. Well, I haven't, do you want to watch it with me? Sure, this is going to be good!
And you're sitting there and you know exactly what's going to happen because you've seen it. It's already happened.
If we understand this about God, we are living in the present, the now. Every second and every minute is new to us because we've never been there before. Things happen in our day. But God's already been there and it's already happened. It's a re-run to Him. He's not surprised!
It is comforting to know that God, who is outside our time domain and space factor in which we live, but with God, He knows everything from the beginning to the end.
But John got to see it all. John saw the future happen, before it happened, while it was happening.
I hold the historical/prophetic view of the book of Revelation. I see the book of Revelation as being both historical and futuristic. I understand the seven churches in Chapters 2 and 3 were literal churches in John's day, and that the events in Chapters 4 through 22 are yet future.
Whatever view a person takes, it must fit in with what John saw in the past. He just saw the vision of Christ, the things that are, that is, the condition of the churches in John's day, and the things that will be after the church (Chapters 4 through 22).
It must fit into that past, present, and future scheme that the book of Revelation divides up for us.
In Revelation 1:10, John says, " I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day."
The phrase "I was in the Spirit," in the King James translation, Spirit is capitalized to indicate the Holy Spirit. But in the Greek text, there is no word "the." There's no definite article. And the spirit is understood to be not the Holy Spirit, but the spirit realm. And we see that throughout the book, he was caught up in spirit.
And then he says on the Lord's day. And in the bible, Sunday is never called the Lord's day, which you also alluded to.
The scriptures tell us that this is an OT term for the day of the Lord, or Lord's day, and it is a reference to the day of judgment.
It is called the Lord's day in Isaiah 2:12, and Zephaniah 1:14-16. Even Paul, in 1 Thessalonians 5:2, he used that Jewish phrase from the Old Testament, and says that the day of the Lord is going to come as a thief in the night. But you don't have to worry because you're children of light.
Peter also, in 2 Peter 3:10 used the same phrase as the day of judgment of God.
When John was caught up to see the Lord's day, this period of judgment, he got to see the future happen before it happens, while it's happening. He saw everything from where he's at, all the way to the end, and what's going to happen at the end. It just hasn't happened yet for us
a. The greek text says "bacame/was/was made in spirit". In greek Bibles it is always interpreted as " came into spiritual ecstasy.
b. People at that time used only capital letters without punctuation. It was a lot later that small letters and punctuation came in use.
c. In Rev 1, Lord's Day is Sunday actually. History. The early church greek christians abandoned the pagan names of the week and started using the Hebrew ones (First, Second, Third, Fourth, Fifth, Preparation, Sabbath), with one exception, they renamed the first day as Lord's Day to honor the day Jesus was resurrected from the dead and use it as their formal day for the church service. These names are still in use in Greece and few other countries as well. The name Lord's Day for Sunday is still in use in Romance languages too ie Italian (Domenica), Spanish (Domingo), French (Dimanche), even in English speaking countries the R.Catholic church uses this name in their Liturgies. ..
In the Book of Acts Sunday is still called the first day of the week, but the Revelation was written more than 50 years later (100AD) at a time when the name Lord's Day came in use among christians. Apart from the Bibke, the first early christian to mention this name was Justin the martyr in his "First Apology". (approx. 150AD).
Linguistically talking since you study Koine Greek, If it was "day of the Lord" as the day of the second coming of Jesus or the day of judgement, in Greek it would have been " ten hemera toy Kyriou" but it is "ten Kyriake hemera" [in your Lexicon instead of "y" it has "u" I believe, this is due to a change of pronouncing the greek letter u(y)psilon from antiquity to nowadays]. It is a different expression because it is reffered to that specific day of the week, Sunday
GBU
I am out of town for the weekend, so I will read through this when I get home. And please know that you cannot offend me.
The events are not consecutive throughout but it doesn't interfere with the study.
And In reference to the latter part of your comment :So to be clear, Christ return's just (after) the five month tribulation, thus ending this dispensation of time, whereby beginning the first day of the millennium, the 3rd world age (The Lords Day) where John was taken to in spirit in verse 10 where he is told to write it and send it.
The events leading up to The Lords Day (or) just before, are written of in the Book of Joel.
Joel's prophecy, No references are made to time, because it looks onward to the time of the end, and the events that will usher in "the Day of the Lord".
Always when he's either returning for the church or His personal appearing in
The appearing or revelation of Jesus Christ. The first appearing he does not
Touch down in thessalonians but we meet Him in the air. The second one he
Does to judge mankind revelation. In 1Corinthians 4:3 Paul talks about being
Judged by man's judgement that is who does the judging in courts around the
World, another way of putting it is man's day. There are things in the book of
Revelation that have already occurred. Revelation 12:1-6 have already happened.
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