Bible Discussion Thread

The lord my God has pricked me and said to tell all people that he is displeased with their idol worship of their political parties(they have attempted to seize power for their own purposes)in which i says the Lord Jesus have not,and certainly not granted them permission!

Stuart. One other point I do not believe Romans 13: 1-8 the powers that be is

Talking about Government because it says ordained of God. It is written in the

Context to the church of God and those powers are apostles prophets evangelists

Pastors and teachers for the perfecting of the saints. Also Timothy says to

Pray for those in government that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life.

Stuartwe are called to pray and teach and minister to those who choose to

Believe our calling is not to change government or politics because they are

Always influenced by the adversary. As I like to say each one win one. In

Pennsylvania there was a Christian who made to be a state representative

And quit one month later because of the corruption, esp. in so called other

Christian's. There is way too much compromise in politics.

Stuart, you are right in that we should not give politics first place in our lives, nor expect any form of redemption nor favor from any particular political party. God does set in place governments for the carrying forth of His will in history.

We are to certainly exercise our rights and participate wisely in the governance of our nation and communities. We should certainly pray earnestly for our elected officials to govern righteously and with proper attention to the needs of their constituents. We should become as informed as we can about issues and candidates so that we make wise voting decisions as well as in informing others on such matters.

But, as you imply, we are to not look to government to deliver to us a nation that acknowledges God as sovereign over all and a peace in our nation that comes from a citizenry that walks with God. It is God that provides these things. We certainly should pray and also witness to the salvation of Jesus to those God brings to us. We can certainly voice our faith in Jesus and encourage others to seek Him. We can certainly live godly lives in a wicked generation. And we can certainly trust that God can deliver us from all that is opposed to Him.

Passivity is not the best way to bring about any change for the better in our country. Active participation in the arena of politics (on whatever level one is called to) is effective. We exercise our rights as fully as we can in order to make inroads for godly thoughts and policies in our government and in our communities. We speak up and give a godly world view concerning political and social matters. We inform ourselves and and pass on information about issues facing our nation. God will bless our input into these arenas as we stay true to the Word and His ways in our speech and actions. We are the light that shines into the darkness of unredeemed hearts in hopes that these may see their sinfulness and the error of their world views. We pray for God to bring repentance and faith