God does not hate humans. It is not God's will that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. I understand the verse in question. The term hate in Romans 9:13 does not hold the same definition as we take it. GOD HATES SIN. If we read the story of jacob, and esau. Esau was well loved by his father but willing to give away his birthright for a bowl of soup. His desire to eat meant more than the blessing of his birth father and the blessings from the heavenly father. Our Heavenly Father LOVES us to no end. JOHN 3:16, tells of this great love. He also is a righteous judge, and rewards us for our good deeds and punishes us for our bad. If God doesn't discipline us then we are bastards and not sons. We cannot know the depth of God's love, because we love conditionally. He loves Unconditionally.
Neither do I get that God would hate what He would redeem, for this would be to do evil that good may come, which is in direct opposition to the principle Paul established as he was guided by the Holy Spirit, that we should NOT do evil that good may come, for fear of just damnation (wrath) from God: Romans 3:8.
In regards to God hating humans, I'm certain you are aware of Malichi 1:3 which I believe Paul was referring to "As it is written" in Romans 9:13.
You stated, "I think it says that it is because of His loving kindness that He does nor destroy humans because of their sinfulness." To this I would suggest Matthew 10:28.
I'm inclined to think hate is hate just as love is love, although each can appear in different forms, which is the only thing hate and love have in common. As I've mentioned numerous times, Love can only create Itself and nothing but Itself. In the same manner, hate produces hate, meaning also that it cannot create Love. There is no compromise between the two. Actually, the two cannot even communicate with each other. We tend to think that fear as well as Love can be communicated and also be shared. Yet this this is not so real as it may appear; those who communicate fear are promoting attack, and attack always breaks communication, making communication impossible. How is it possible that God or The Prince of Peace have peace in condemnation, attack, wrath, vengeance, damnation, etc? If this is God, then what kind of unimaginable monster is the evil devil. Or if this is God, then its opposite must be Love, full of mercy,compassion, light, joy, and forgiveness?? This is simple logic.
Outside the two scriptures I mentioned about the Bible saying that God hates parts of His Creation, I'm not aware at this time where it says this anywhere else. Once is enough. Yet, there are many biblical passages in Scripture that reflect hate and darkness from God. I don't know if I will ever be able to accept this.
I am aware of Romans 9 passage. Can you give me any more passages that speaks of God hating humans.
I know that He hates the wickedness in us and those who are rebellious to Him are not favored by Him. But I do not know if that means He hates these people in ways we hate. I think it says that it is because of His loving kindness that He does not destroy humans because of their sinfulness. I am not saying that God does not hate. But His aim is to redeem as many as will come to Him when the Spirit draws them with the Gospel. So I cannot seem to get that He would hate what He wishes to redeem.
I know that Romans 9 speaks of some creatures who are targets of His mercy and others who are vessels of His wrath. I am not sure if He is referring only to humans here or if He is referring to humans as objects of mercy and the fallen angels as the vessels of His wrath since the Lake of Fire was prepared before they were even created as the place for them to receive His wrath forever.
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is the Lord from Heaven....Thats the new man that is formed in us via his seeds of the Sower the words of the Jesus..God
We have to keep in mind what Jesus said....I come not to destroy mens lives but to save mens lives...Our old man is in rank
with satan and is the man that returns to his vomit and the sow that returns to her mud...And is in rank with the Tares.. Satan..
But the Woman is the world that births The Child of Promise...His Wrath is only directed to Satan's seed our old adamic nature
2 nd Peter 2:22 ...The Tares cannot stay clean they answer to Satans seed that are constantly at war with the Wheat which is
a Baby Christ ...Rev.12 :5 is a perfect picture of the war that rages within us...The dragon is at war with the Woman ...
And her seed the manchild which is the H.G. The Gift of God...Its Kingdom against Kingdom....Jesus wants to kill everyone of us
But only according to our old adamic nature that is in rank with Satan...The slain of the Lord will be many...Outta of his mouth
goes a sharp sword that he will smite the nations...He treadeth the Wrath of God and fierceness of God Almighty...But thats only
That the Blood of the lamb might be applied to everyone of us....Thus his wrath will be turned to his love...Whom the Lord
Loveth he chastens...If he didn't love us there wd be no Wrath...But God so loved the world that he gave us his only son that
whosoever believeth in him might have eternal life....This is the result of his Wrath..His Blood....If i be lifted up I will draw
ALL men unto me....I was found of them that sought me not and i was made manifest unto them that asked not after me...Its
His Love that is gonna draw all men unto him....Even them that sought me not...Thats everybody. A number that no man can
count..Of all nations...Gbu
Neither do I get that God would hate what He would redeem, for this would be to do evil that good may come, which is in direct opposition to the principle Paul established as he was guided by the Holy Spirit, that we should NOT do evil that good may come, for fear of just damnation (wrath) from God: Romans 3:8.
In regards to God hating humans, I'm certain you are aware of Malichi 1:3 which I believe Paul was referring to "As it is written" in Romans 9:13.
You stated, "I think it says that it is because of His loving kindness that He does nor destroy humans because of their sinfulness." To this I would suggest Matthew 10:28.
I'm inclined to think hate is hate just as love is love, although each can appear in different forms, which is the only thing hate and love have in common. As I've mentioned numerous times, Love can only create Itself and nothing but Itself. In the same manner, hate produces hate, meaning also that it cannot create Love. There is no compromise between the two. Actually, the two cannot even communicate with each other. We tend to think that fear as well as Love can be communicated and also be shared. Yet this this is not so real as it may appear; those who communicate fear are promoting attack, and attack always breaks communication, making communication impossible. How is it possible that God or The Prince of Peace have peace in condemnation, attack, wrath, vengeance, damnation, etc? If this is God, then what kind of unimaginable monster is the evil devil. Or if this is God, then its opposite must be Love, full of mercy,compassion, light, joy, and forgiveness?? This is simple logic.
Outside the two scriptures I mentioned about the Bible saying that God hates parts of His Creation, I'm not aware at this time where it says this anywhere else. Once is enough. Yet, there are many biblical passages in Scripture that reflect hate and darkness from God. I don't know if I will ever be able to accept this.
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According to Scripture, God does not love everyone, which is difficult for me to grasp. I refer you to Romans 9:13. Sorry, but these are God's words.
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I am aware of Romans 9 passage. Can you give me any more passages that speaks of God hating humans.
I know that He hates the wickedness in us and those who are rebellious to Him are not favored by Him. But I do not know if that means He hates these people in ways we hate. I think it says that it is because of His loving kindness that He does not destroy humans because of their sinfulness. I am not saying that God does not hate. But His aim is to redeem as many as will come to Him when the Spirit draws them with the Gospel. So I cannot seem to get that He would hate what He wishes to redeem.
I know that Romans 9 speaks of some creatures who are targets of His mercy and others who are vessels of His wrath. I am not sure if He is referring only to humans here or if He is referring to humans as objects of mercy and the fallen angels as the vessels of His wrath since the Lake of Fire was prepared before they were even created as the place for them to receive His wrath forever.
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