Alex N...I just wanted to explain myself about Faith being a spiritual pregnancy....27 times in the O.T. the prophets saw the world in travail and birth pains...Thus there has to be a spiritual pregnancy to obtain salvation the New Birth ...Thats y he wants to sow his precious seed in our hearts...As Faith comes by hearing his words his seeds etc initiating a birth of Christ in us...Which is the H.G. the Children of Promise....An Israel of God ..That was the great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven..Thats y he has to know us..Thats when the good seed is sown in our hearts initiaing a spirutal pregnancy.
....Thats y we must be bornagain. We must birth a baby Christ the Child of Promise the H.G...Thats y Jesus is saying Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child...( a Heavenly Birth,..a spirutal baby,..an infant...That New Born Babe Paul was talking about ) you will in no wise enter there in...But all this requires a spiritual pregnancy from his good seed the Words of the new Covenant...Thats y scrip. is saying in Christ Jesus nothing availeth anything but a New Creature which is our new born the H.G. The Child of Promise the H.G....Not Circumcision nor uncircumcision only that new creature the H.G. Which answers to our new heart and new spirit..In John 16 :20 he said b/c i have spoken these words ( his seeds ) sorrows (a pregnancy) has filled your hearts....A woman when she is in travail has sorrows but after the Child comes ( the H.G. ) her sorrows are turned into joy...The H.G. is the Kingdom...In Rev. 12 :10 The Kingdom comes after the Woman births the Child...But she had to go thru a spiritual pregnancy 1 st...ok lemme go...The Woman is humanity...The Prophets saw the whole world in travail and birth pains...If i be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me....Jesus our lord said that....
Alex1939...In Matthew 24:3-8...When they asked Jesus what shall be the sign of thy coming and the end of the world He replied Sorrows (Birth pains)...The Woman in Rev. 12. is in Birth pains....Which is a spiritual pregnancy...And the Woman is the best example of Faith...The very Kingdom of God comes for this Woman...Which is humanity...Rev.12:10....Now is come Salvation and the Kingdom of our God and the power of his Christ (the child) is the H.G....The Kingdom is the manchild the H.G. That is gona rule all nations with his rod of iron..the words of the book that has been opened...The new covenant...An intimacy a knowledge....He wants to know everybody...Its gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas.
And remember Bro. Paul speaks of the whole Creation in Travail n birth pains...becoming incorruptible simply we are all gonna be bornagain of an incorruptible seed.... Romans 8:21...ok gtg..Gbu...And this Woman keeps the commandments..b/c her child cannot sin....That new born babe desiring the sincere milk of the word is the H.G. that Paul speaks of is the Child of PROMISE..Our new innerman the H.G...The very gift of God.
I'm going to shift your post a little and see if this interests you. Speaking of Revelation 12, specifically Revelation 12:6 & Revelation 12:14: The woman represents the 144,000 sealed saints ( Revelation 7:4), BOTH are protected for a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Only the saints are officially sealed. It is a continued allegory describing the saints vs the man of sin, end-times, etc.
The saints are so unbelievably important, yet underrated. They are the first fruits, set apart from the 5.5 billion day of the Lord survivors. The saints are the ONLY first resurrection participants, tasked with healing people, the earth and administering to Christ. The rest sleep till called at the second resurrection.
The saints are featured in 7 Chapters of Revelation, hidden in allegory, and referred to. People then add characters to the narrative and always miss that the sealed saints in Revelation 7:4, before the sixth trumpet, are the same saints in heaven at the seventh trumpet, Revelation 7:9-14. "They came out of the great tribulation". AND this occurs at the exact same time God calls up the two witnesses, Revelation 11:12. The saints and the two witnesses are one and the same!!! You will not see the saints without the witnesses from BOTH houses of Israel (Israel & Judah). Don't get the "two men" allegory wrong. Forget about Moses and Elijah or Enoch, that is a tired excuse for filling in the answer with anything that will suffice. After Solomon, Israel was split in two nations, hence, two men. The two candlesticks and two olive trees that stand before God are God's pride and joy, the whole house of Israel.
Anonymous Alex N...Roman thank you for your reply I don't understand all your response but Gbu...Very interesting tho....Anything about Israel is interesting to me...But the Woman is very unique she can only be the Good ground the bride that has been impregnated by the good seed, The words of the book that New Covenant that has just been opened...As Jesus said the field is the world where the good seed will be sown.. Matthew 13:38...We know that Jesus is the bridegroom the sower of that good seed...Thus the wheat has to be a baby Christ...The H.G....Whosoever receiveth one such child in my name receiveth me...She brought forth a manchild that is gonna rule all nations...And her Child was caught up to God and to his Throne...Remember Jesus said to whom the word came (in the volume of the book ) it made them Gods....Roman imo just me i don't think that the womans Child is of this World...I think he is a baby GOD...Her Child is spirit as we have borne the image of the earthy we must also bear the image of the heavenly...As Jesus said that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. that has to be born in humanity via his seeds the words of the book that New Covenant that he wrote with his own blood.
.....We gotta remember that God Almighty swore by himself when he made that Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Thus its God himself that wants to be multiplied in humanity the world thus there will be an Israel of God ....Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the word came....(the living word that new covenant )...it made them Gods and the scripture cannot be broken...When Jesus breathe on his disciples they were impregnated by his words as his breath was his words...Even in the natural our breath are our words...but with Jesus his words are the very seeds of God...The H.G a living being God was born in them...Thats y they refered to the H.G. as the Promise...he is the multiplication of God in humans The Promise...ok lemme go....Gbu Roman
The woman represents the 144,000 sealed saints in yet another allegory, to include the two witnesses (from another allegory), waiting to give birth to a man child; the child is Christ. This occurs between the sixth and seventh trumpets, when anti-christ kills saints, Revelation 11:7. The SAINTS PLIGHT are important, not the tricky esoterics that lead astray from the actual event being described. Tie down the allegories to the real life enactment.
At the seventh trumpet, Christ returns with His army of resurrected 144,000 saints, and no one else. There's no mention of the two witnesses because it's them standing on Mount Olive, Revelation 14:1.
"Impregnating" is another comparison, or analogy that mirrors the actual meaning. Two witnesses is another way of saying 144,000 from two houses (two men) of Israel.
The woman in the allegory is giving birth to Christ, the second coming, and the serpent (satan) wants to kill her.
The woman represents the saints, who are protected for 42 months from death, and are ushering in Christ, getting past anti-christ's 42 month reign. This is what will happen in real life, anti-christ will kill saints. Can you make the real life connection from the cartoon?
These prophetic writings are allegory = a symbolic fictional narrative that conveys a meaning not explicitly set forth in the narrative. You have to know what the Bible says will happen in real life before using allegory and understand it.
Who would recognize an allegory from the real thing? Did you notice 9-11-01 was Revelation 9:1-11, the fifth trumpet? Verse 4: America killed those men who did not have the seal of God in their foreheads (Muslims), and were told not to harm any green tree, and nothing green grows in the desert. Verse 6: The Muslims who were tortured at Abu Ghraib prison were seeking death, and couldn't find it.
In the second half of Revelation 9, a new more powerful army arrives to defeat the previous US army. Images of the beat vs Babylon should come to mind. Imagine being the king of Mystery Babylon, taking his the last call, Jeremiah 50:43.
The end-times have an order, it's not a guessing game when the prophets gave us a map to find the order.
....Thats y we must be bornagain. We must birth a baby Christ the Child of Promise the H.G...Thats y Jesus is saying Unless you receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child...( a Heavenly Birth,..a spirutal baby,..an infant...That New Born Babe Paul was talking about ) you will in no wise enter there in...But all this requires a spiritual pregnancy from his good seed the Words of the new Covenant...Thats y scrip. is saying in Christ Jesus nothing availeth anything but a New Creature which is our new born the H.G. The Child of Promise the H.G....Not Circumcision nor uncircumcision only that new creature the H.G. Which answers to our new heart and new spirit..In John 16 :20 he said b/c i have spoken these words ( his seeds ) sorrows (a pregnancy) has filled your hearts....A woman when she is in travail has sorrows but after the Child comes ( the H.G. ) her sorrows are turned into joy...The H.G. is the Kingdom...In Rev. 12 :10 The Kingdom comes after the Woman births the Child...But she had to go thru a spiritual pregnancy 1 st...ok lemme go...The Woman is humanity...The Prophets saw the whole world in travail and birth pains...If i be lifted up i will draw ALL men unto me....Jesus our lord said that....
And remember Bro. Paul speaks of the whole Creation in Travail n birth pains...becoming incorruptible simply we are all gonna be bornagain of an incorruptible seed.... Romans 8:21...ok gtg..Gbu...And this Woman keeps the commandments..b/c her child cannot sin....That new born babe desiring the sincere milk of the word is the H.G. that Paul speaks of is the Child of PROMISE..Our new innerman the H.G...The very gift of God.
I'm going to shift your post a little and see if this interests you. Speaking of Revelation 12, specifically Revelation 12:6 & Revelation 12:14: The woman represents the 144,000 sealed saints ( Revelation 7:4), BOTH are protected for a thousand two hundred and threescore days. Only the saints are officially sealed. It is a continued allegory describing the saints vs the man of sin, end-times, etc.
The saints are so unbelievably important, yet underrated. They are the first fruits, set apart from the 5.5 billion day of the Lord survivors. The saints are the ONLY first resurrection participants, tasked with healing people, the earth and administering to Christ. The rest sleep till called at the second resurrection.
The saints are featured in 7 Chapters of Revelation, hidden in allegory, and referred to. People then add characters to the narrative and always miss that the sealed saints in Revelation 7:4, before the sixth trumpet, are the same saints in heaven at the seventh trumpet, Revelation 7:9-14. "They came out of the great tribulation". AND this occurs at the exact same time God calls up the two witnesses, Revelation 11:12. The saints and the two witnesses are one and the same!!! You will not see the saints without the witnesses from BOTH houses of Israel (Israel & Judah). Don't get the "two men" allegory wrong. Forget about Moses and Elijah or Enoch, that is a tired excuse for filling in the answer with anything that will suffice. After Solomon, Israel was split in two nations, hence, two men. The two candlesticks and two olive trees that stand before God are God's pride and joy, the whole house of Israel.
.....We gotta remember that God Almighty swore by himself when he made that Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven...Thus its God himself that wants to be multiplied in humanity the world thus there will be an Israel of God ....Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the word came....(the living word that new covenant )...it made them Gods and the scripture cannot be broken...When Jesus breathe on his disciples they were impregnated by his words as his breath was his words...Even in the natural our breath are our words...but with Jesus his words are the very seeds of God...The H.G a living being God was born in them...Thats y they refered to the H.G. as the Promise...he is the multiplication of God in humans The Promise...ok lemme go....Gbu Roman
The woman represents the 144,000 sealed saints in yet another allegory, to include the two witnesses (from another allegory), waiting to give birth to a man child; the child is Christ. This occurs between the sixth and seventh trumpets, when anti-christ kills saints, Revelation 11:7. The SAINTS PLIGHT are important, not the tricky esoterics that lead astray from the actual event being described. Tie down the allegories to the real life enactment.
At the seventh trumpet, Christ returns with His army of resurrected 144,000 saints, and no one else. There's no mention of the two witnesses because it's them standing on Mount Olive, Revelation 14:1.
"Impregnating" is another comparison, or analogy that mirrors the actual meaning. Two witnesses is another way of saying 144,000 from two houses (two men) of Israel.
The woman represents the saints, who are protected for 42 months from death, and are ushering in Christ, getting past anti-christ's 42 month reign. This is what will happen in real life, anti-christ will kill saints. Can you make the real life connection from the cartoon?
These prophetic writings are allegory = a symbolic fictional narrative that conveys a meaning not explicitly set forth in the narrative. You have to know what the Bible says will happen in real life before using allegory and understand it.
Who would recognize an allegory from the real thing? Did you notice 9-11-01 was Revelation 9:1-11, the fifth trumpet? Verse 4: America killed those men who did not have the seal of God in their foreheads (Muslims), and were told not to harm any green tree, and nothing green grows in the desert. Verse 6: The Muslims who were tortured at Abu Ghraib prison were seeking death, and couldn't find it.
In the second half of Revelation 9, a new more powerful army arrives to defeat the previous US army. Images of the beat vs Babylon should come to mind. Imagine being the king of Mystery Babylon, taking his the last call, Jeremiah 50:43.
The end-times have an order, it's not a guessing game when the prophets gave us a map to find the order.
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