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"You shall love the LORD your God with all of your heart, with all of your soul, with all of your mind."
This verse has come to me repeatedly over the past week or so. It is so lovely. I so want to live it out.
I would like to hear from others what they think loving God with all of one's heart means.
or
What loving God with all of one's soul means
or
What loving God with all of one's mind means.
Being the greatest commandments, as Jesus said, I would like to understand it better and learn to live it out better. I appreciate anyone responding. Thanks
This passage speaks to the very Nature of Salvation. By nature all of mankind in our unsaved condition are DEAD in trespasses and sins. As a result we are all under the judgement of God and the penalty of the wrath of God required by the Law of God. We CAN'T & WON'T love God with ALL our heart, with ALL our soul, with ALL our mind. So what are we to do? The answer is...we can do nothing. GOD MUST DO ALL THE WORK TO SAVE US, TO GIVE US A NEW HEART, A RESURRECTED SOUL.
Eze 36:24-31For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
The action here is ALL of God. WE CAN DO NOTHING TO ACCOMPLISH OR CONTRIBUTE TO OUR SALVATION IN ANY WAY.
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith OF Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith OF Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Read Jonah 3 & Matt 12:41
When it is accepted that we can do nothing, the trouble of doing nothing remains, which has the same meaning as total prostration for the allmighty God continuesly .
So how do you do nothing ?
To me it seems like the only possible way of that is to understand and treat everything on all levels as God, then you have given everything and since you are not taking all the space anymore God is there instead and can fulfill the work we can not.
The raising of Lazerus from the dead is a beautiful picture of salvation. We are all "dead in trespasses and sins". "There is none righteous no not one". "There is none that seeketh after God". Lazerus could not and did not contribute anything nor initiate anything toward his resurection from physical death; just as we can contribute nothing nor initiate anything toward our salvation. If we have become saved, it means that 1) we were chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world, 2) Christ took upon Himself our sins and paid the full penalty demanded by the Law of God for every sin that we have or will ever commit so that we have no guilt whatsoever before the Law of God, 3) God has drawn us by bringing us under the hearing of the Gospel, the Word of God, 4) God has applied that salvation to our life by giving us a New Resurrected Soul (i.e. we have become Born Again), and 4) God will complete our salvation on the Last Day when Christ returns by giving us our Resurrected Spiritual Body.
Christ must do and has done ALL of the WORK to save us. We have contributed nothing. Just like the Ninevites to whom Jonah came with the message that God would destroy them in 40 days. They sat in sackcloth (i.e. a broken and a contrite heart) because God had GIVEN them a New Heart. And they expressed the attitude..."Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that He would do unto them; and He did it not."
The "works" of repentence and turning of the Ninevites was the RESULT of God's salvation: NOT the CAUSE. They contributed nothing.
Wonderfully God in His Mercy is still saving during this Day. And anyone, no mater how deep in sin we may be, can cry to Him for Mercy in the very real hope that, like the Ninevites, maybe maybe God will save us... Eze 36:24-31 if that would be His will.
Lazerus could not and did not contribute anything nor initiate anything toward his resurection from physical death;
I would say he did, he opened his house for the LORD, he made the LORD the master of his house, so to say he stepped aside.
He drank the suffering laid on him as the will of the LORD, and finally he had empty space within him so the spirit of the LORD's call upon found room to settle and move him forward and up from the tomb.
"You shall love the LORD your God with all of your heart, with all of your soul, with all of your mind."
This verse has come to me repeatedly over the past week or so. It is so lovely. I so want to live it out.
I would like to hear from others what they think loving God with all of one's heart means.
or
What loving God with all of one's soul means
or
What loving God with all of one's mind means.
Being the greatest commandments, as Jesus said, I would like to understand it better and learn to live it out better. I appreciate anyone responding. Thanks
That do mean to give all you are away to God. Every second you have any consciousness of life, and since you have given it all away, you will not demand rulers rights over what is experienced. This makes it possible for God to terminate all anger from your expression, and all anger present will alert you that you are keeping something for yourself you now can give to God. This process happens within you and begins to purify all your acts.
Therefore Christ tolerated and drank His passion with love, for everything He had given in the hands of His allmighty Father.
"You shall love the LORD your God with all of your heart, with all of your soul, with all of your mind."
First you must understand what kind of love Jesus is talking about...
In English, there's pretty much just one word for love, but the Greek language distinguishes four different kinds of love... Philia, Eros, Storge and Agape. They all have a beautiful description of different kinds of love and understanding each is a sure way to help improve your relationship with the Lord your God. Compartmentalizing love into different categories will help you to examine yourself and determine if you're showing the Lord your God enough love. Here Jesus is talking about agape love
It is the selfless, unconditional type of love that helps people to forgive one another, respect one another, and serve one another, day in and day out. It is the highest level of love you can offer. It is given without any expectations of receiving anything in return. Offering this type of love is a decision to love in any circumstance... including destructive situations. It is a love that responds calmly when faced with difficulties, sacrificing without complaining, and waiting patiently. This type of love is selfless and is for the preservation of relationships. It is a love that involves feeling so much love for someone that you always put them before yourself. It is agape love!
To achieve this kind of love you must abide in Him and He in you... and keep His commandments
The first fruit of the Spirit is Love... John 15:4-5... This is the first and great commandment... Matthew 22:37-40
Matthew 22:38-40. This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself.
ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.
And only one way this is done.
Ezekiel 36:26-27. A new heart also will I give you, and ( a new spirit will I put within you:) and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and ( I will give you an heart of flesh.)
AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU,
(( AND CAUSE YOU )) TO WALK IN MY STATUTES, AND YE SHALL KEEP MY JUDGMENTS, AND DO THEM.
This is what separate Agape from the other loves you mentioned. .
The Lord commanded; If you love me...Keep my Commandments.
In loving the Lord,what does it mean to love?
In continuing the scripture which you have been meditating upon.
38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
It seems like keeping his commandments is the key...to Love your neighbour..
But what does it mean to " keep " his commandments.
Many of the Preachers of this day will say that it is to do, perform, pertain to what the Lord commands.
But I believe it to be something more intimate and sweet.
The Law was our schoolteacher, to show us that we could not and therefore can not fulfill all the law, because our heart is darkened, evil and corrupt with sin.
John 2:24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,
25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.
Thus I believe "keeping" his commandments it to rather Love his commandments, as loving the Lord.
If we remember what the Gospel of John had stated when the Lord was about to lay down his life for us. He prayed unto the Father that we would abide in him and he in us as he abode within the Father.
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
John 15:4-5
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
To love him with all your heart, soul and strength is to abide in him...just as you have been the whole week which you thought upon such things...to inhabit the word of God as he inhabits you.
Jesus said in John 14:15 if you love me, you will keep my commandments. When we experience God's love, His Spirit causes us to love. Perfect love is brought to its completion by receiving Christ.
I concur with this brother because it was and still is a view I had before I heard it from him.
It's Agape! You can't produce it, it's a fruit of the Spirit, you only can bare it by being connected to the true vine. Or genuine vine. "Christ."
I concur, to have the ability to love him with all your heart, soul and strength is to abide in him and him in you.
I would like to share what a brother shared to us previously.
Part 1 of 2.
Perfect love is love that has come to its completion. In other words, God's Spirit in us gives us perfect love. 1 John Chapter 4, Verses 7-21 talks about the completion of the love of God.
1 John 4:7 says let us love one another. We are to love our brothers and sisters in Christ. But how do we do that unless God's Spirit in us gives us the capacity to do so? It's interesting that what we call the two greatest commandments are not even written in command form in the Greek text.
When it says "let us," in the King James, that's not a command. That is Subjunctive Mood. We will be loving one another. Why? Because God's Spirit in us gives us the capacity to love. It's a statement of fact, not a command. We cannot produce agape love, only God can. It's His Spirit that causes us to love. That's what it means to have perfect love, for God is love.
We see the character of God's love in 1 John 4:9-10. God sent His Son to be a propitiation for our sins. He met all the requirements that God has for us for the punishment and penalty for our sins. That's love!
Verse 11 tells me that God loved me so much that He sent His Son to die for me. I am indebted to my brothers and sisters in Christ to function and walk in the love of God. In Verse 16, he's making the statement because God is love. Therefore if He dwells in me, then I have perfect love in my spirit.
Verse 18 says there is no fear in love; but perfect love, that is, love brought to completion, casts out fear: because fear has torment. He that fears is not made perfect, or complete in love.
He's talking about the motive for obeying God. Some people obey God because they are afraid. Those who have the Spirit of God, and have matured and understand about the love of God, they do things because they love Him.
"You shall love the LORD your God with all of your heart, with all of your soul, with all of your mind."
This verse has come to me repeatedly over the past week or so. It is so lovely. I so want to live it out.
I would like to hear from others what they think loving God with all of one's heart means.
or
What loving God with all of one's soul means
or
What loving God with all of one's mind means.
Being the greatest commandments, as Jesus said, I would like to understand it better and learn to live it out better. I appreciate anyone responding. Thanks
Eze 36:24-31For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people, and I will be your God.I will also save you from all your uncleannesses: and I will call for the corn, and will increase it, and lay no famine upon you.And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good, and shall lothe yourselves in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.
The action here is ALL of God. WE CAN DO NOTHING TO ACCOMPLISH OR CONTRIBUTE TO OUR SALVATION IN ANY WAY.
Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith OF Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith OF Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Read Jonah 3 & Matt 12:41
So how do you do nothing ?
To me it seems like the only possible way of that is to understand and treat everything on all levels as God, then you have given everything and since you are not taking all the space anymore God is there instead and can fulfill the work we can not.
Arnfinnius
Christ must do and has done ALL of the WORK to save us. We have contributed nothing. Just like the Ninevites to whom Jonah came with the message that God would destroy them in 40 days. They sat in sackcloth (i.e. a broken and a contrite heart) because God had GIVEN them a New Heart. And they expressed the attitude..."Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce anger, that we perish not? And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that He would do unto them; and He did it not."
The "works" of repentence and turning of the Ninevites was the RESULT of God's salvation: NOT the CAUSE. They contributed nothing.
Wonderfully God in His Mercy is still saving during this Day. And anyone, no mater how deep in sin we may be, can cry to Him for Mercy in the very real hope that, like the Ninevites, maybe maybe God will save us... Eze 36:24-31 if that would be His will.
I would say he did, he opened his house for the LORD, he made the LORD the master of his house, so to say he stepped aside.
He drank the suffering laid on him as the will of the LORD, and finally he had empty space within him so the spirit of the LORD's call upon found room to settle and move him forward and up from the tomb.
Meditating on Matthew 22:37
"You shall love the LORD your God with all of your heart, with all of your soul, with all of your mind."
This verse has come to me repeatedly over the past week or so. It is so lovely. I so want to live it out.
I would like to hear from others what they think loving God with all of one's heart means.
or
What loving God with all of one's soul means
or
What loving God with all of one's mind means.
Being the greatest commandments, as Jesus said, I would like to understand it better and learn to live it out better. I appreciate anyone responding. Thanks
That do mean to give all you are away to God. Every second you have any consciousness of life, and since you have given it all away, you will not demand rulers rights over what is experienced. This makes it possible for God to terminate all anger from your expression, and all anger present will alert you that you are keeping something for yourself you now can give to God. This process happens within you and begins to purify all your acts.
Therefore Christ tolerated and drank His passion with love, for everything He had given in the hands of His allmighty Father.
First you must understand what kind of love Jesus is talking about...
In English, there's pretty much just one word for love, but the Greek language distinguishes four different kinds of love... Philia, Eros, Storge and Agape. They all have a beautiful description of different kinds of love and understanding each is a sure way to help improve your relationship with the Lord your God. Compartmentalizing love into different categories will help you to examine yourself and determine if you're showing the Lord your God enough love. Here Jesus is talking about agape love
It is the selfless, unconditional type of love that helps people to forgive one another, respect one another, and serve one another, day in and day out. It is the highest level of love you can offer. It is given without any expectations of receiving anything in return. Offering this type of love is a decision to love in any circumstance... including destructive situations. It is a love that responds calmly when faced with difficulties, sacrificing without complaining, and waiting patiently. This type of love is selfless and is for the preservation of relationships. It is a love that involves feeling so much love for someone that you always put them before yourself. It is agape love!
To achieve this kind of love you must abide in Him and He in you... and keep His commandments
The first fruit of the Spirit is Love... John 15:4-5... This is the first and great commandment... Matthew 22:37-40
Agape!
Matthew 22:38-40. This is the first and great commandment.
And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt LOVE thy neighbour as thyself.
ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.
And only one way this is done.
Ezekiel 36:26-27. A new heart also will I give you, and ( a new spirit will I put within you:) and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and ( I will give you an heart of flesh.)
AND I WILL PUT MY SPIRIT WITHIN YOU,
(( AND CAUSE YOU )) TO WALK IN MY STATUTES, AND YE SHALL KEEP MY JUDGMENTS, AND DO THEM.
This is what separate Agape from the other loves you mentioned. .
Thou WILL love the Lord and thy neighbour.
God bless.
The Lord commanded; If you love me...Keep my Commandments.
In loving the Lord,what does it mean to love?
In continuing the scripture which you have been meditating upon.
38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
It seems like keeping his commandments is the key...to Love your neighbour..
But what does it mean to " keep " his commandments.
Many of the Preachers of this day will say that it is to do, perform, pertain to what the Lord commands.
But I believe it to be something more intimate and sweet.
The Law was our schoolteacher, to show us that we could not and therefore can not fulfill all the law, because our heart is darkened, evil and corrupt with sin.
John 2:24 But Jesus did not commit himself unto them, because he knew all men,
25 And needed not that any should testify of man: for he knew what was in man.
Thus I believe "keeping" his commandments it to rather Love his commandments, as loving the Lord.
If we remember what the Gospel of John had stated when the Lord was about to lay down his life for us. He prayed unto the Father that we would abide in him and he in us as he abode within the Father.
Joh 17:23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
John 15:4-5
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
To love him with all your heart, soul and strength is to abide in him...just as you have been the whole week which you thought upon such things...to inhabit the word of God as he inhabits you.
Here's part 2 of 2.
Jesus said in John 14:15 if you love me, you will keep my commandments. When we experience God's love, His Spirit causes us to love. Perfect love is brought to its completion by receiving Christ.
I concur with this brother because it was and still is a view I had before I heard it from him.
It's Agape! You can't produce it, it's a fruit of the Spirit, you only can bare it by being connected to the true vine. Or genuine vine. "Christ."
God bless and welcome to the site.
I concur, to have the ability to love him with all your heart, soul and strength is to abide in him and him in you.
I would like to share what a brother shared to us previously.
Part 1 of 2.
Perfect love is love that has come to its completion. In other words, God's Spirit in us gives us perfect love. 1 John Chapter 4, Verses 7-21 talks about the completion of the love of God.
1 John 4:7 says let us love one another. We are to love our brothers and sisters in Christ. But how do we do that unless God's Spirit in us gives us the capacity to do so? It's interesting that what we call the two greatest commandments are not even written in command form in the Greek text.
When it says "let us," in the King James, that's not a command. That is Subjunctive Mood. We will be loving one another. Why? Because God's Spirit in us gives us the capacity to love. It's a statement of fact, not a command. We cannot produce agape love, only God can. It's His Spirit that causes us to love. That's what it means to have perfect love, for God is love.
We see the character of God's love in 1 John 4:9-10. God sent His Son to be a propitiation for our sins. He met all the requirements that God has for us for the punishment and penalty for our sins. That's love!
Verse 11 tells me that God loved me so much that He sent His Son to die for me. I am indebted to my brothers and sisters in Christ to function and walk in the love of God. In Verse 16, he's making the statement because God is love. Therefore if He dwells in me, then I have perfect love in my spirit.
Verse 18 says there is no fear in love; but perfect love, that is, love brought to completion, casts out fear: because fear has torment. He that fears is not made perfect, or complete in love.
He's talking about the motive for obeying God. Some people obey God because they are afraid. Those who have the Spirit of God, and have matured and understand about the love of God, they do things because they love Him.
See Part 2.
GB.
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