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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 207183

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  • John Turner Oliver - 2 years ago
    What is the scripture and purpose of the redeeming value of the purchase possession
  • Gerald - In Reply - 2 years ago
    "The purchased possession ready to be revealed "

    Is the body

    Those who are not redeemed their body perishes becomes unusable ot fit for purpose .

    One aspect of hell is that the unsaved have no body it has perished . But "every good and perfect gift cometh from the Father above" When we are thirsty he gives us water when we are hungry he provides the food .

    In hell you will be thirsty but cannot drink being cut off from God on the one hand and unable to drink on the other .

    Hungry but cannot eat .

    The soul is saved ,the mind willingly renewed and the body redeemed .

    It is the redeemed and transformed body that is to be revealed when the mortal shall put on immortality and the corrupt shall put on incorruption.

    Another way of looking at it is that where as death reigned in our bodies when Jesus died he took the keys of death and hell and put them on his belt and when He was raised from the dead we who believe are raised together with Him and now life reigns .

    But even as Adam was created with so much life took 800 odd years for that death ( after the fall) that now reigned in him.

    So that utter defeat of the devil by His death will not be totally manifest till much later . Nor then we who are born again where Christ now reigns and theclaw of life . That life will progressively or should manifest itself in our mortal bodies .

    For if this body is dead because of sin ,"if the same Holy Spirit that raised Christ Jesus from the dead dwell in you He shall quicken your mortal body"

    Consider also Paul's prayer for Christian's thst " the eyes of our understanding being opened that we may comprehend with all the saints what is the exceeding greatness of His power that is towards us even the same power that raised Christ Jesus from the dead"

    Have you ever stopped to consider how much power is needed to raise the dead?

    Though me thinks it's not a strain to God .

    GB
  • Sammi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Excellent post , thank you .
  • Chris - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello John. As Richard has given you the requested Scripture ( Ephesians 1:14), I will simply share my understanding of the verses 13 & 14: "In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory."

    The Apostle Paul is writing to the believers that they also had put their trust in Jesus after they had heard & believed the Gospel. They were sealed by the Holy Spirit - the Spirit is given to all who love & trust Jesus for their salvation & their lives. The Holy Spirit, by His residence in the believer, ministers to our hearts in every way. Some of the ways are: teaching ( John 16:12-15); Guiding ( Romans 8:14); Assuring ( Romans 8:16); Praying ( Romans 8:26, Ephesians 6:18); Comforting/Helping ( John 14:26).

    But the foremost Work of the Spirit in the believer is to "seal" him, or 'set a mark' that we belong to Christ. And that is why Paul states in Romans 8:35-39 that nothing, absolutely nothing, can ever separate us "from the Love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord". And here in Ephesians, Paul is stating that our sealing (or, eternal security) by the Holy Spirit is our "earnest", or God's guarantee/pledge until our redemption. Some might say, 'I thought we were already redeemed when we believed & bought by Christ's precious Blood?' Yes, we were fully redeemed spiritually, i.e. inwardly, when we were born again, given a new Spirit, which is of God. But our flesh (body), still tainted with sin & prone to failure before God waits for, rather longs for the day when our redemption is made complete ( Romans 8:23). So Paul says in Ephesians, that our redemption will be made complete when we are taken from this Earth, given new bodies, outfitted for Heaven. And all praise & glory goes to the Lord Who has done all this for us.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Ephesians 1:14. The concept of the Kinsman-Redeemer was in the Book of Ruth; as to Boaz obtaining Ruth as part of his inheritance; or you could say "property". The concept of ownership is foreign in today's culture in terms of slavery; however we should look at verses such as Luke 17:10 on us being "unworthy servants" when we do what we are told. With the story of Ruth she was from a Gentile origin; and her sister Orpha decided to abandon Naomi when she told her to go back to her people (the Moabites). Apparently Ruth's first husband was an Israelite but he had died. Ruth hanging on despite Naomi asking her to go back reminds me somewhat of the tenacity of the Gentile woman asking for healing in Matthew 15:26. The colloquialism Christ used was of the dogs; yet she was commended for her faith.

    Obviously; Christ redeemed us as His bride from among all mankind according to the Ephesians quote and this is mentioned in many other verses (Google search is always very helpful). As Boaz brought value to Ruth by marrying her and continuing the lineage of Naomi's family we are adopted as sons ( Romans 8:14-17). God took us; worthless sinners hopelessly lost and His enemies and took on our sin defeating it with His blood sacrifice once and for all at the Cross. He purchased us and it even pleased God to crush Him to accomplish this ( Isaiah 53:10). God's love therefore transcends our own as we would scarcely die for a righteous man let alone a wicked one (according to human standards) according to Romans 5:7.

    Now that we are part of His family; we also will recieve crowns as a reward for faithfulness ( James 1:12 etc). We shall rule and reign with Him ( Matthew 19:28-29) but notice the caviat; "if we suffer for Him". We are warned in Revelation 3:11 about losing our reward; that is not a salvation issue. However; we need to make sure that we are producing fruit "meet of repentance" ( Acts 26:20). If He lives within us we are transformed and a new man.



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