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  • James Keith on Revelation 22 - 1 year ago
    "4And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads."

    I've squandered the last few years speedily absorbing anything and everything in a never ending research in global events - studying all things Jewish - and studying Christianity, attempting to understand what's happening in the world, by whom, why, and what it means - or what I should do.

    I know for multiple reasons, there is simply not enough time to come even close to one full reading of the New Testament. If the world doesn't implode, well my health is... quite bad, which i've come to terms with. Life always being overrated imo, yet I have found comfort in Christs words, though remaining conflicted & confused. I know Revelations warns twice not to be deceived I'm hopelessly deceivedconfused.

    I'm aware of the "mark of the beast" branded either in the forehead, or the right hand. That being said, I've on occasion heard, or read snippets of something of this above line, Christ's people who reject the mark of the beast, six hundred and sixty six, no buying, selling, being beheaded, and em, much unpleasantries of Tribulation (The general idea of it anyway), but what can you tell me of a mark that followers of Jesus Christ, faithfully, are supposed to haveget?

    One other please, I'm familiar with the names, "Lucifer Lightbringer" & "Lucifer Morningstar" and reading an insinuation that Jesus is Lucifer from a randomly encountered commentary bringing me here:

    "16I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star."

    Reading it... didn't dispel their claim. Can this be a translation confusion from Greek to English, or am I just a total idiot? Why is Jesus saying he is the "Bright" (Lightbringer?) and "Morning star" (Lucifer Morningstar?!)

    Not even sure if this'll get read, but apologies for the foolish questions. I have a million more, but if anyone responds to these two, thank you.
  • Free - In Reply on Revelation 22 - 1 year ago
    Dear "James Keith", everyone who has answered you has answered you so well, it is not to correct them I am writing, I received a word today which is in Hebrew 12 the whole chapter.

    If you struggle with confusion, it means that you are fighting against the powers and authorities that are in space. Thank God for that, Praise the Lord for that. Only His name and blood can correct this further. So you are absolutely right. Read the gospel about Jesus, get to know Him in God's word. And as for the mark of God's people, you said it yourself. Revelation 22:4. Moreover, be sure that he who walks with the Lord will always have a burning candle, streams of living water. And everyone can see it on us. Even so the demons see it and reveal themselves. Those who are in people, free or not. They must then be put in place in all love, peace and freedom in a direct way, for example: tormentor leave that body (the name of person), never come back for your place is in the deepest darkness in the holy name of Jesus Christ. It's not remarkable stuff at all. No gaping and screaming. One advantage is being alone with the person. This means that you yourself have boldness. It has often happened to me that the demon reveals itself so I know which one it is. They are many. Then I just talk directly to it. Many times it is completely natural and no one notices that anything happened at all. It is about being a mouthpiece for the Holy Spirit in the holy name of Jesus Christ. Sometimes I can't even remember what I said. Only this is the mouthpiece, for the Lord knows that I want. People are saved because we, the Light, take authority over the situation in love and peace. When I, as a newbie on the road with Jesus, read these words of you. Then I could see when I closed my eyes after looking at people, that they were light. Sometimes I have used it to see if someone is a Christian, then in connection with sermons and beyond. Sometimes it shines a bright light, sometimes not. I pray for them. GB
  • GiGi - In Reply on Revelation 22 - 1 year ago
    Welcome James, glad you found us here.

    Chris has given you a good explanation to you two queries.

    I just want to add that I have been pretty much a homebody since covid began in 2020 since I have 5 of the risk factors for having a covid infection become a very serious illness for me. But, with being home, I have been blessed to also keep up with the news and world happenings and along the way I came to this site also, as I was seeking to read the KJV for the first time. This site has truly blessed me in so many ways. I hope you find yourself "at home" here. I will pray for your health.

    Dear Heavenly Father, today we come to You in the name of Jesus and ask that You will bring improved health to James. We ask that You supply to James the health care that will most benefit him. We are thankful that James is seeking You more during this time. Bless James in his seeking after You and Your truth with wisdom and understanding. Amen.
  • Donna Grace - In Reply on Revelation 22 - 1 year ago
    Lifting you up in prayer this morning. Jesus is the light..forever!
  • Alex1939 - In Reply on Revelation 22 - 1 year ago
    alex1939...Rev.22:4...James be of a good cheer, you are involved in a warfare with the Tare satans seed...But Jesus has sowed a good seed in you which is the wheat...And they are at war...The Kingdom of God sufferes violence...Its Kingdom against Kingdom the wheat and the Tares are at war...Remember the Woman and the dragon are at war in Rev 12:5...Satan wants to kill the woman and her Child the manchild which is the wheat the H.G. that child of promise that has come to her from that good seed the word.

    .....Rememeber Paul went thru the same thing saying when i wd do good evil is present with me...With my mind i serve the wheat the H.G. I serve the law of God..but with my flesh the law of sin the tare ... Romans 7:23 I see another law in my members waring against my mind bringing me unto captivity to the law of sin that is in my members...Paul was at war with the Tare satans seed. Remember Jesus said when he sows that good seed the wheat...satan will come and sows the bad seed that Tare then war rages with in us simply the Kingdom is gonna be with in us..Paul said oh wretched man that i am..But Paul says if i do something I donot consent unto its not I that does it but sin that dwells in me..But No condemnation to them in Christ Jesus

    .....Thats y Jesus says we must endure to the end when the Tares are burned from our minds and the wheat the H.G. is free and gathered to his barn the Kingdom..Rev.22:11 He that is unjust let him be unjust still he that is filthy let him be filthy still thats the Tare in our minds satans seed....But he that is righteous let him be righteousness still, He that is Holy let him be Holy still thats the H.G. the wheat Jesus seed within us in this war raging in our minds...Wheat and the Tares make us 2 ppl but 1 will be taken and 1 will be left...The 2 men in 1 bed is just 1 man that has been bornagain of that good seed but the TARES make him 2 ppl..Thats y Jesus said we must endure to the end which is the harvest.1 taken and 1 left..Gbu.
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 22 - 1 year ago
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    b. Re: Isaiah 14:12, "Lucifer, son of the morning" and then Revelation 22:16. These two Scriptures are un-related & the persons are in opposition to each other. The Isaiah one is a prophecy against the King of Babylon (verse 4), who outshone the kings of the Earth in splendour & power & because of it, believed he was even greater than the gods or even God Himself. This prophecy alludes to Satan who has similar ambitions, not knowing that he, as that earthly king, will "be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit". He might be called 'son of the morning' for his presence, power & what the world first looks for in the new day as they follow him & his ways. But The Morning Star shines throughout eternity, offering the "water of life freely" to all who are athirst. And He will come again in glorious splendour reigning with His saints forever.

    In Revelation 22:12, the word for "bright" is 'lampros' in Greek, which simply means, 'magnificent, bright, splendid'. And "morning star", is a reference to the brightest star that is seen in the morning, being Venus. To connect Lucifer to Jesus is very wrong, since the meaning of Lucifer ('a shining one') and Jesus ('Yahweh is salvation') are clearly different and only Jesus is said to be the 'Morning Star'. The other 'morning stars' are given in Job 38:7, probably referring to the angels or heavenly beings.
  • Chris - In Reply on Revelation 22 - 1 year ago
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    Hello James. Sorry to read of your poor health & the confusions & contradictions that are overwhelming you. I would hold onto the Lord Jesus' Words: to 'come to Him if you're over-laden with the cares, concerns & burdens of this life - He promises His rest to all who come.' ( Matthew 11:28). Even in ill-health & hopelessness, Jesus' Peace can over-rule our hearts & minds & give us a certainty of His involvement in our lives & a future where heart-ache & pain will be no more. ( John 14:27; John 16:33; Philippians 4:6,7; Revelation 21:3,4).

    And that is wonderful, that you are persisting in reading God's Word, for therein are the words of Truth & Life. The Promises of God are "yea & in Him Amen" (i.e. they are certain & will not fail); I pray that you will really come to the point of placing your complete trust & hope in Jesus, for He truly is the Answer, the only Answer, to all of our sins, sorrows, hopes & dreams.

    To your questions:

    a. I think you're quoting Revelation 22:4, "And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads." I picked this verse, as the verses that give the mark of the beast don't apply to the believer in Christ, for if he were present at that time & faithful to the Lord & not to Satan, he would refuse that mark and bear the consequences. In Revelation 22:4, I can't be sure whether there is a physical imprint of Jesus' Name there, or this verse speaks metaphorically. Just as how the mark of the Anti-Christ will be made to appear on all those who wish to follow him & continue to live & not die under his rule.



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