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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 208012

Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Giannis - 2 years ago
    Church of Ephesus, "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God."

    Church of Smyrna, "He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."

    Church of Pergamus, "To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it."

    Chutch of Thyatira, "And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:"

    Church of Sardis, "He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels."

    Church of Philadelpia, "Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name."

    Church of Laodicea, "To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne."

    He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 2 years ago
    It is interesting; I have never considered the same overcoming statement is for all the churches mentioned. There appears to be a qualifier with the Thyatira church as to keeping WORKS until the end; for they will have power over the nations. It seems to me that only a sector of the entire church of true believers has the privilege to rule as "kings and priests". Clearly there is a specific crown for martyrdom and other virtues of those who are longsuffering. Some on the other hand such as Smyrna may make it "as though through the fire" ( 1 Cor. 3:15) so that the second death itself can be averted. There are some who don't seem to find a difference in the "Bema Seat" judgment and the Great White Throne Judgement. Eschatologically speaking the Millennium is to be taken seriously. Still; as believers the whole issue of reward sometimes seems underappreciated (except for the wrong emphasis with the prosperity preachers). ( Heb. 11:6).

    What is also noteworthy here is that the overcomer is involving certain individuals within each church; in other words only a subset of the "professing" believers are "possessing" ones of the Holy Ghost. This should stand as a stern warning so that we may do as 2 Cor. 13:5 states that we should "test ourselves to see if we are in the faith". Fruit must be in our lives that show that we are truly saved. We must also make sure that our garments remain unspotted from the world ( Rev. 3:4 and elsewhere). It could be argued that those whose garments are stained may not make it in the rapture; and some have to get purified then. That assumes the rapture is a reward issue ( Rev. 3:10; Luke 21:36). If it isn't then we can certainly say that most believers aren't praying that too often. Or; alternatively we could assume that if anyone IS a true believer they will wake up in time to hear the spiritual alarm bells that His coming is near.

    Agape; Rich P



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