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At three different places in the Bible, a former/early and a latter rain are mentioned:
1. Joel 2:23, 'Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month."
2. Hosea 6:23, "Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth."
3. James 5:7, "Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain."
What is this former/latter rain? Is it just a figure of speech or it may imply something? Do you think that it may imply something for us now in the last(of the last) days?
alex1939...Hiya Giannis good question about the latter rain...In the time of Noah, God sent the rain and it flooded this whole earth...Only 8 persons were saved..But in this last day God is gonna pour out of his Spirit on all flesh...Its gona be a spritual flood of his Spirit on all of humanity...Anybody not in the Ark was loss...But now the Ark is the H.G. the Kingdom of God..The blood of the lamb...That New Covenant...Abide in me and i in you...KNOWLEDGE is gonna cover the earth as the waters cover the seas and this knowledge is an intimacy as Jesus said he wants to KNOW US..Thus we will birth a New heart and a New Spirit which is our Ark the H.G. the Kingdom...This is a flood of the latter rain of his Spirit...As Isaiah says its gona cover the Earth as the waters cover the seas...Inclusive of everybody...If i be lifted up i will draw ALL MEN unto me...
....The former Rain was the early Church at Pentacost...But it was very moderate...As Micah 5:3 said he wd give them up till the woman is in travail and birth pains,..The early Church was all in parts, But Paul says when that which is perfect is come that ( latter rain) As Joel says he was gonna pour out of his spirit on all flesh, thats the latter rain at the last day when the book is opened that is in the fathers right hand...The Words of that book are the seeds of the sower that is gonna be planted, the seeds of God in the hearts of every person...Resulting in a birth of Christ in every person..When Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains thats indicative of all the world being bornagain of that incorruptible seed THE WORD ...Which is the WATER OF THE WORD ( THE WORDS OF THAT BOOK OF LIFE ) That latter rain doctrine..I will pour out of my Spirit on ALL FLESH...That spiritual rain of life...Its gonna effect the whole family everybody, Even your sons and daughters are gonna prophesy...
.....The fruit of the earth from this latter rain are the babes and sucklings ..She brought forth a manchild the H.G.
The latter rain is March/April. And that's the last rain before harvest. That's the rain farmers look for there at the end for their crops to survive. So to be patient and wait for the coming of the Lord is like the early and latter rain.
And for a Jewish person, it is interesting how they would take this as God telling them literally the beginning and ending rain for harvest seasons. But the Messianic Jews take the early and latter rain to be symbols of the first coming and the second coming of Christ.
Christ came the first time. He planted the seed. The seed fell into the ground and died just like He said in John Chapter 12. But the harvest is now being produced, and at His second coming there will be the harvesting of the fruit.
But waiting for the Lord to come means to be slow in our human reaction toward the world, and keeping our human impulses in check. Don't get caught in the trap of going after the things of the world.
I do look forward to other comments. I look forward to your thoughts also.
I too am signing out for the evening. Have a good night!
Thank you Jesse, I agree with your post. Also longsuffering/patience is refered to the relations between christians since the preceding chapters 3,4 and 5 are refering to this issue, as well.
I would like to share my understanding using James 5:7. For me to properly explain myself, I will take the entire verse.
Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Obviously using the word brethren, used 21 times in this letter, is indication for us that he's talking to believers.
Now the word patience:
There are two words for patience in scripture. One is literally longsuffering, and that's the word used most of the time. That's also the word used here, but it's used patience instead of longsuffering.
This is Makrothumia, which means slow in human reaction. Slow in human reaction is called longsuffering, and it's usually used in application to our response to people.
Patience, Hupomeno, means to remain under. And that word is used for circumstances. So literally, patience is to remain under, and longsuffering is to be slow in human reaction.
But it's interesting that James in a command form says be patient, or literally longsuffering therefore brethren unto the coming of the Lord.
Be slow in your human reaction to the world, opposite of being impulsive, opposite of the things in the world, the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life that the world beckons to. Be slow in your human reaction towards the world until the coming of the Lord. Be patient.
And he gives an example here:
Behold, the husbandman, (the farmer), he waits for the precious fruit of the earth, and has long patience, (Makrothumia) for it, until he receives the early and latter rain.
Now God promised the Jews, His people, in Deuteronomy 11:14, He says I will give you the rain of your land in its due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that you may gather in thy corn, and your wine and your oil.
The early rain is October/November, planting season, so that after they plant, the rains come and push the seed into the ground, and waters the ground.
I have always connected , in my mind , the former and latter rain , with the following parable : Matthew chapter 19 verse 30 , through chapter 20 verse 1- 16 . Would you be offended if a sister gives her opinion ?
Thank you dear Sammi. Why would I be offended? Aren't you included in the "brethern"? I also wish to hear other believers as well, and then we will try to come to a conclusion. Thank you. We will talk about it tomorrow, it is 1:30 after midnight here. Have a blessed night.
Sorry if that sounded a bit off , it's just that you entitled your question : a question to all brethren , I know a few sisters who would have taken offence at that and I immediately thought of them when I read your post . Good night and God bless you .
At three different places in the Bible, a former/early and a latter rain are mentioned:
1. Joel 2:23, 'Be glad then, ye children of Zion, and rejoice in the LORD your God: for he hath given you the former rain moderately, and he will cause to come down for you the rain, the former rain, and the latter rain in the first month."
2. Hosea 6:23, "Then shall we know, if we follow on to know the LORD: his going forth is prepared as the morning; and he shall come unto us as the rain, as the latter and former rain unto the earth."
3. James 5:7, "Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Behold, the husbandman waiteth for the precious fruit of the earth, and hath long patience for it, until he receive the early and latter rain."
What is this former/latter rain? Is it just a figure of speech or it may imply something? Do you think that it may imply something for us now in the last(of the last) days?
....The former Rain was the early Church at Pentacost...But it was very moderate...As Micah 5:3 said he wd give them up till the woman is in travail and birth pains,..The early Church was all in parts, But Paul says when that which is perfect is come that ( latter rain) As Joel says he was gonna pour out of his spirit on all flesh, thats the latter rain at the last day when the book is opened that is in the fathers right hand...The Words of that book are the seeds of the sower that is gonna be planted, the seeds of God in the hearts of every person...Resulting in a birth of Christ in every person..When Jeremiah saw all men in travail and birth pains thats indicative of all the world being bornagain of that incorruptible seed THE WORD ...Which is the WATER OF THE WORD ( THE WORDS OF THAT BOOK OF LIFE ) That latter rain doctrine..I will pour out of my Spirit on ALL FLESH...That spiritual rain of life...Its gonna effect the whole family everybody, Even your sons and daughters are gonna prophesy...
.....The fruit of the earth from this latter rain are the babes and sucklings ..She brought forth a manchild the H.G.
The latter rain is March/April. And that's the last rain before harvest. That's the rain farmers look for there at the end for their crops to survive. So to be patient and wait for the coming of the Lord is like the early and latter rain.
And for a Jewish person, it is interesting how they would take this as God telling them literally the beginning and ending rain for harvest seasons. But the Messianic Jews take the early and latter rain to be symbols of the first coming and the second coming of Christ.
Christ came the first time. He planted the seed. The seed fell into the ground and died just like He said in John Chapter 12. But the harvest is now being produced, and at His second coming there will be the harvesting of the fruit.
But waiting for the Lord to come means to be slow in our human reaction toward the world, and keeping our human impulses in check. Don't get caught in the trap of going after the things of the world.
I do look forward to other comments. I look forward to your thoughts also.
I too am signing out for the evening. Have a good night!
God bless you. Have a blessed week.
I would like to share my understanding using James 5:7. For me to properly explain myself, I will take the entire verse.
Be patient therefore, brethren, unto the coming of the Lord. Obviously using the word brethren, used 21 times in this letter, is indication for us that he's talking to believers.
Now the word patience:
There are two words for patience in scripture. One is literally longsuffering, and that's the word used most of the time. That's also the word used here, but it's used patience instead of longsuffering.
This is Makrothumia, which means slow in human reaction. Slow in human reaction is called longsuffering, and it's usually used in application to our response to people.
Patience, Hupomeno, means to remain under. And that word is used for circumstances. So literally, patience is to remain under, and longsuffering is to be slow in human reaction.
But it's interesting that James in a command form says be patient, or literally longsuffering therefore brethren unto the coming of the Lord.
Be slow in your human reaction to the world, opposite of being impulsive, opposite of the things in the world, the lust of the eyes, the lust of the flesh, and the pride of life that the world beckons to. Be slow in your human reaction towards the world until the coming of the Lord. Be patient.
And he gives an example here:
Behold, the husbandman, (the farmer), he waits for the precious fruit of the earth, and has long patience, (Makrothumia) for it, until he receives the early and latter rain.
Now God promised the Jews, His people, in Deuteronomy 11:14, He says I will give you the rain of your land in its due season, the first rain and the latter rain, that you may gather in thy corn, and your wine and your oil.
The early rain is October/November, planting season, so that after they plant, the rains come and push the seed into the ground, and waters the ground.
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