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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 208439

Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Sylvia Hatcher Earley on Genesis 1 - 2 years ago
    When will people receive the mark of the beast? Now or after the rapture of the church?
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 2 years ago
    The mark of the Beast cannot come until Antichrist comes; is worshipped by all the unregenerate; a mark is given for allegiance to him; and a death penalty is worldwide for those who will not recieve it. The allegiance will be to the man who appears to have a deadly wound then is healed from it. This prophecy can be found in Zechariah 11:17 as well as in Revelation 13. This will appear to be immortality as a type of false Resurrection as it were. The son of perdition in John 17:2 as well as 2 Thessalonians are describing the fate of Judas Iscariot; and the second verse Antichrist. These two individuals are both directly controlled by Satan; although technically the possession of the Beast is due to Apollyon king of the bottomless pit the way I see it in Revelation 9:11 which means; among other things the destroyer.

    There are certainly foreshadowings today technologically speaking; and the genetic AI concept likely will also involve some sort of DNA alteration assuring eternal life for those taking it. I take chronologically most of Revelation; bolstered by "after these things" used so frequently. There will clearly be a false one world religion that will ride the beast at first; and this will be overturned at the Midpoint of the Trib. ( Rev. 17:16); as Satan only wants worship for himself. There will be a process where it appears all men will praise God after the Rapture in Revelation 5:13. I haven't heard it preached but we must remember there is the Resurrection of all the church saints; so even if the Rapture isn't seen by some the partially empty graveyards can't be denied. At any rate; men's hearts will harden to the point where they fear God and are aware of judgment coming at the sixth seal; and later on dthey will blaspheme God and attempt eventually to fight God (see also Psalm 2; Rev. 19). BTW God's people are also "sealed" ( Eph. 1:13); as well as the 144,000 ( Rev. 7:1-8) invisibly.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey Richard,

    Love you brother, read your posts just don't reply much anymore. Just something to consider, many are looking for The antichrist, as there is just one that is coming. In Rev. 13:2-9 we see the first beast is given 42 months/3.5 years to make war and overcome the saints, if we are still living that's us. I agree he ascends from the bottomless pit, Rev. 9,13,11,17, the king of those spoken of in 2 Pet. 2:4 and Jude 1:6 and Gen. 6.

    There is a second beast, he is the one who creates an image of this first beast, and he is the one who makes people worship it and take the mark, the false prophet Rev. 13:11-15. We know these two beasts are here together with Satan/the dragon Rev. 12, because the false prophet, the second beast, is the one who does the miracles and does them in sight of the first beast.

    Just something to consider.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 2 years ago
    I have indeed posted that when I did a study in Revelation here about 6 months ago. That of course fits in to the fact that we don't see that happening yet either; the worldwide false signs; although with that one character in Israel and others who are false Christs; the day is approaching.

    I personally think that the bowl judgment where darkness covers the region of the Beast may indicate that solar power is used as the main power source and perhaps that ties into the mark of the beast itself the way it functions in the human body. One of the cardinals in the Catholic church said some time ago that he believed a false pope would be promulgating that theory as the False Prophet (or Antichrist). Perhaps the "fire from the sky" is something like the energy from the Northern Lights being channeled as a source of energy. It also of course could be tied into massive geomagnetic storms that shut down the grid. Clearly the sun and moon are involved with many signs in the end times. Those who ascribe such events to natural eclipses fall short of the truth I believe; as was the case with the FULL moon and sun turning dark at the Crucifixion. THere is no doubt supenatural causes of things; along with what is likely satellites falling to earth (stars falling-there are many thousands in the atmosphere today); and of course meteorites also will likely cause dust along with volcanoes and the pit being opened; etc.

    The 10 nations that rule for "one hour" with Antichrist also will have leaders that become completely wicked in the last days according to Daniel. It is amazing how some who should know better who call themselves believers are excited to see this peace agreement developing that began a few years back (you know what I mean). They should know that it is a Covenant with Death and hell as Isaiah states; as well as the fact that it will be broken a few years later.

    I am a Pretribulation rapture person myself; I don't intend to be here in those days.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hey Richard,

    I agree an eclipse does not last for three hours, the dark time when Jesus was on the cross. I feel many things will not be clear until they start. Like what was said about the beast, Rev. 13:4 "who is able to make war with him?" In today's world what beast could be that China, the US, Russia, and the world would be defenseless to make war? We just need to be ready and watching.

    My understanding is different, I know many believe in the rapture of the church and will be taken to heaven and the 7 years from Daniel placed at the end times. My understanding of Daniel 9:27 has been fulfilled, the whole prophecy was about the Messiah and the lost sheep of Israel. Jesus's ministry, the first 3.5 years and Jesus through His apostles the last 3.5 years, which ended the 70 weeks. Dan. 9:24 the things determined, then the gospel was taken to the Gentiles. The first was Philip the evangelist, Acts 8:5.

    I feel it will start when Satan is cast out of heaven, Rev.12:8-9.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Hello Ronald, good to hear from you. Miss reading your posts. Come here and post more often, I hope. Merry Christmas to you and your family.
  • Ronald Whittemore - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Thanks, GiGi hope you are feeling better, you are in my prayers, I don't post my prayers. Merry Christmas to you and all on this site.

    God bless,

    RLW
  • GiGi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    Thanks Ronald, for your prayers. Enjoy this time with family and friends.
  • Sammi - In Reply - 2 years ago
    A false resurrection , what an interesting idea . Thanks for that . Science really does think it is the power doesn't it ? All shall be revealed and there shall be a lot of very surprised people . Can't come soon enough .



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