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Several replies to my comments regarding the Jealousy Offering in numbers 5 are showing that they clearly did not read with comprehension. I mean that Joseph believed Mary (why would he not? Because she conceived while she was visiting her cousin Elizabeth who was having a different kind of miraculous birth: old age delivery of John the Baptist). But tongues would have obviously been wagging and he may have been contemplating performing the offering to prove to the community her innocence. But he believed her and was not jealous. Ergo was not required to do the offering. If he had any doubts all he would have done was perform the jealousy offering as the LAW DEMANDS of suspicious (just) husbands to save them self from iniquity. So he was a just man and knew the law(s). Yes. This is further proof that he had not lain with her because performing the offering would implicate him as the biological father. See what I mean? He was TRAPPED in the law. His problem: do I marry the virgin or not? There is nothing in the prophesies that say whether the virgin is married or not. So he pondered and was going to divorce her due to PRIVITY: God's equal claim to Mary and the child. He was going to void his promise in deference to another's prior claim. Look up the definition of privity (another probable root of privily). It's different than privately.
Galatians 4:4
But when the fullness of time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made "under the law",
"Quotations" mine.
Jesus was made from the ovum of Mary and made under the law (according to THE MOSAIC LAW) his father was Joseph the husband of Mary. Not because Joseph "knew" his wife but because the law says so. Hallelujah. Fully Son of God and fully Son of man as Christ himself so often reiterated.
Alex1939...love ya But what you are preaching wd make Christ a mere man...Joseph's son and Blood of Joseph etc but this is just a ploy from satan to make the Cross the blood of the lamb of none effect...As no mere man's blood cd ever ever ATONE for the sins of the WORLD...It had to be the very blood of God...Only Gods Blood cd atone for the sins of the world....ACTS 2O:28...Feed the Church of God that he has purchased with his own blood...Not any mans blood or even Joseph's blood...The Lamb of God was not a mere man....As no mere man cd atone for the sins of the world...He had to be a absolute son, God the son as Hebrews 1 :8 tells us...Unto the Son ( JESUS ) he says thy THRONE O GOD IS FOREVER...Leentje Always remember no mere mans blood cd ever be the Atonement for the sins of the world...Jesus was the very Lamb of God and the beginning of that New Covenant on Calvary....as John said behold the Lamb of God that taketh away the Sins of the world...But mans blood cd neva be the Atonement for the sins of the world...As all men carried the stain and the spot of Adam...Neva say that Joseph was his Biological father its a slap in the face of God and the lamb of God...And the 7 spirits of God in the throne....Rebuke Satan in the name of Jesus when he tries to teach this garbage...Gbu....Always remember mans blood cd neva be the ATONEMENT for the sins of the World...Ya make the Cross of none effect when ya say that Joseph was his biolological Father..
As the eternal Son, Jesus was not materially generated in His Godhood. But as the He agreed to take on a human nature and flesh, the Father is the one who created the genetic material for the Y chromosomal package that impregnated Mary's ovum. This Y chromosomal package (I am assuming a sperm) was newly created by the Father to complete Jesus' his genetic material.
This genetic material supplied by the Father was typically human in every way except for containing the sin nature. Jesus' full human nature was created by the Father through the ovum of Mary with its 23 chromosomes and the Y cell that the Father created with its 23 chromosomes.
This is my thinking on this matter. I know that none of us truly know the genetic makeup of Jesus, but Scripture does tell us He was became a man to be God with us. We may not agree on this. I understand. you gave your perspective and I have given mine. God 's blessings to you, Alex. We are in this life together in the Lord, and I thank God for this.
Alex1939...Gi-Gi thanks for the inquiry of my family...I have 3 girls and 3 boys...14 grandchildren and 24 great grandchildren...They have all been with me on my trips to India back in the 60's cept the 2 youngest....Preaching the gospel of Christ in you the hope of glory...Been to India 3 times preaching the Gospel...As an ex Pentacostal non Demoninational Preacher...But I gave up on all that when i received the revelation of the manchild the H.G. That is gonna be born in all of humanity...That New Covenant in the blood of Jesus ...Now I AM trying to turn the hearts of the Fathers to the Children ( Jesus Children) the H.G. the Children of PROMISE...An ISRAEL OF GOD...As Jesus said that which is born of the spirit tis spirit...thats the H.G. that is gonna be born in us via his good seed the words of that New Covenant...The Children of Promise that are the gifts of God...The H.G...I was also a missionary with Jack REED who wrote the book "We walk by faith and not by sight"...What a missionary he was...He went to over 67 countries... He just died this last yr. in Oct....But now i'm too old to go to any foreign Countries...And i believe with all my heart that my own country AMERICA needs missionaries more so then any other country...ok gbu Gi-Gi...I will pray for all of your Children Gi-Gi in the name of Jesus but also in the name of the babes and sucklings which are spirits That Israel of God that is gonna be born in us....Our new heart and new spirit....The Children of PROMISE....Unless ya receive the Kingdom of God as a lil Child your will in no wise enter there in...When they argued amongst them selves which was the greatest Jesus set a Child in their midst...He wants to set a Child in our hearts which is the H.G. That Child of Promise...The Kingdom....plz note the Kingdom does not come till the woman births the manchild...Which is the H.G. The spirit of truth that is gona reprove this whole world of sin and judgement etc...He is gonna rule this whole world...
Hello Alex, and Merry Christmas to you and yours. I am remembering to pray for you kids along with mine. Can you remind me again of them, names, sons or daughters, how many?
Concerning Jesus's lineage, I agree that Jesus was conceived in Mary, will she was a virgin. He had no biological Father. Joseph was His adopted father as per custom.
Where I disagree with you is that of God having blood. Jesus did have blood, but it was human blood from His human nature. It was sinless human blood that needed to be shed to atone for our sins. so, this is why the Son became man through the virgin birth.
God the Father is Jesus' Father, by essence, not by blood or biology. None of the three persons of the Trinity have biological elements in their essential nature. No atoms, molecules, cells, chemicals-no physical matter-period. God is purely Sprit in essence.
God the Father is also Jesus' father because the Son has existed with Him eternally prior to anything being made outside of Himself. He is eternally begotten in terms of the relationship they have within the triune Being.
Alos, God the Father is the father of Jesus because He provided the material to impregnate Mary's egg, a Y chromosomal sperm. But this Jesus was already His Son
Alex1939...Gi-Gi you are so right.. I Agree with you 100%...But where we differ is this God Almighty wants to multiply himself with the seed of Jesus...Which is the Living word The New Covenant...Thats y he needed a body...(Blood) he had to meet the levitical requirements for an offering for sin to God...to make a New Covenant in the Blood of JESUS...This is the New Covenant in my blood drink ye all of it...But not literally...His words are the Blood as his words are spirit and life just like Blood is Spirit and life...Thats y Peter said to whom shall we go lord thou has the Words of Eternal life...Thus we are made CLEAN by hearing his WORDS which are spirit and life...
Under the old Covenant Isaac was offered up resulting in that Promise that that Abraham wd be multiplied as the sands of the seas thus a nation of Israel was the result of this offering up of ISAAC...Genisis 22:16 But at this same time God spoke to Abraham a second time..saying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of HEAVEN...Which is Christ the lamb of God...God didn't sware by himself by the 1st Promise..It was by the 2 nd promise that God Almighty swore by himself...Meaning that God himself was gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven by the seed /the words of Jesus...Thus an Israel of God that cannot sin.
...Thats y Jesus said to whom the WORD ( his seed ) came it made them Gods...And the scripture cannot be broken..Which is that Book in the Fathers right hand that Jesus wrote with his own blood...That New Covenant...And thats y Jesus refers to the H.G. as the Promise...The H.G. is the multiplication the regeneration of very God in us sinners...Jesus cd not refer to the H.G as the Promise if the H.G. was not the multiplication of God...Behold i send the Promise of my father upon you which was baptism of the H.G...They gave birth to a spiritual Child which is the H.G Immanuel God with them...When Isaiah saw the Kingdom coming he said unto us a Child is born..Thus the WOMAN IN Rev. 12:5 GB.
Alex1939...Leentje...Lemme just say this...Had Joseph been Jesus biological Father we cd not be bornagain by the seed of Joseph...We can only be bornagain of that Incorruptible Seed...Even by the words of God...But had Joseph been his biological Father Jesus wd NOT have such a heavenly Incorruptible seed..And Jesus wd have been a sinner like all men had Joseph been his biological Father...And Jesus cd not be Gods lamb if he carried the spot of any earthy being...He had to be heavenly incorruptible God in the flesh...A terrestrial being...Thats y he told the Jews you are from beneath but i am from above...You are of this world but i am not of this world....Remember what the angels told Joseph when he thought to make her a public example...FEAR NOT to take unto thee Mary as thy wife for that which is conceived in her is of the H.G....Jesus had to be God so that he cd sow his Godly seed in humanity...That all men might be bornagain of his incorruptible seed...There has to be a heavenly Birth of a Lil Child in us That Child which is the H.G. that Child of Promise...Under the law the old covenant Isaac was the Child of Promise but under this New Covenant its the H.G. that is the Child of Promise the Elect...Thats y God gives us the H.G simply b/c he is Gods Elect...Behold mine Elect in whom my soul is well pleased, he shall show Judgement to the ppl and the Gentiles...k lemme go
Alex1939...Leentje you are so interesting to read GBU ...But 1 thing you don't understand is Jesus didnt share Marys blood...During Gestation a womans Placenta does not share the Womans blood...Nutrients yes, much so... but neva the blood...The Womans blood wd kill the fetus...A womans Placenta is a very amazing organ...Having the power to make the blood for the fetus but neva sharing the womans blood with the fetus's blood...If you google this it will explain it much better then I...
.....God cd not instruct all the angels to worship his only son Jesus if Joseph was his biological Father...Simply b/c all men carry this curse and stain of adam...The Lamb of God cd not be tainted by this terrible curse and spot of ADAM...The very fact that Jesus had NO Propensity to sin proves that God Almighty was his Absolute Father making him God the son...And an Absolute Son...All mine is thine and all thine is mine...Making him equal to his father....He thought it not robbery to be equal to his father simply b/c he came out of the Fathers Bosom...Meaning Jesus was the Fathers living Word...That heavenly seed.
....Why wd God make this great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the Stars of heaven...Simply b/c God wanted a perfect ISRAEL THAT CD NOT SIN...God needed a man that cd sow AN INCORRUPTIBLE SEED IN HUMANITY...Thats y God swore by his very self when he made that Promise...Not Joseph or any man cd ever sow such a seed...It wd have to BE A GOD MAN...The Absolute seed of God...Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the WORD came it made them Gods and the scripture cannot be broken which is the multiplication of very God...Remember God Almighty swore by his very self when he made that great Promise...Gen.22:16...In Adam we all die but in Christ in we will all live...Rememeber Mary wanted Jesus to help her and Joseph...But Jesus replied i must be about MY FATHERS BUSINESS...Not Joseph's business.
..... Hebrews 1 :8 ...Unto the son (Jesus) he says thy Throne O GOD is forever...gb
Galatians 4:4
But when the fullness of time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made "under the law",
"Quotations" mine.
Jesus was made from the ovum of Mary and made under the law (according to THE MOSAIC LAW) his father was Joseph the husband of Mary. Not because Joseph "knew" his wife but because the law says so. Hallelujah. Fully Son of God and fully Son of man as Christ himself so often reiterated.
As the eternal Son, Jesus was not materially generated in His Godhood. But as the He agreed to take on a human nature and flesh, the Father is the one who created the genetic material for the Y chromosomal package that impregnated Mary's ovum. This Y chromosomal package (I am assuming a sperm) was newly created by the Father to complete Jesus' his genetic material.
This genetic material supplied by the Father was typically human in every way except for containing the sin nature. Jesus' full human nature was created by the Father through the ovum of Mary with its 23 chromosomes and the Y cell that the Father created with its 23 chromosomes.
This is my thinking on this matter. I know that none of us truly know the genetic makeup of Jesus, but Scripture does tell us He was became a man to be God with us. We may not agree on this. I understand. you gave your perspective and I have given mine. God 's blessings to you, Alex. We are in this life together in the Lord, and I thank God for this.
I meant to say "But as THE SON He agreed.....
Concerning Jesus's lineage, I agree that Jesus was conceived in Mary, will she was a virgin. He had no biological Father. Joseph was His adopted father as per custom.
Where I disagree with you is that of God having blood. Jesus did have blood, but it was human blood from His human nature. It was sinless human blood that needed to be shed to atone for our sins. so, this is why the Son became man through the virgin birth.
God the Father is Jesus' Father, by essence, not by blood or biology. None of the three persons of the Trinity have biological elements in their essential nature. No atoms, molecules, cells, chemicals-no physical matter-period. God is purely Sprit in essence.
God the Father is also Jesus' father because the Son has existed with Him eternally prior to anything being made outside of Himself. He is eternally begotten in terms of the relationship they have within the triune Being.
Alos, God the Father is the father of Jesus because He provided the material to impregnate Mary's egg, a Y chromosomal sperm. But this Jesus was already His Son
Under the old Covenant Isaac was offered up resulting in that Promise that that Abraham wd be multiplied as the sands of the seas thus a nation of Israel was the result of this offering up of ISAAC...Genisis 22:16 But at this same time God spoke to Abraham a second time..saying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of HEAVEN...Which is Christ the lamb of God...God didn't sware by himself by the 1st Promise..It was by the 2 nd promise that God Almighty swore by himself...Meaning that God himself was gonna be multiplied as the stars of heaven by the seed /the words of Jesus...Thus an Israel of God that cannot sin.
...Thats y Jesus said to whom the WORD ( his seed ) came it made them Gods...And the scripture cannot be broken..Which is that Book in the Fathers right hand that Jesus wrote with his own blood...That New Covenant...And thats y Jesus refers to the H.G. as the Promise...The H.G. is the multiplication the regeneration of very God in us sinners...Jesus cd not refer to the H.G as the Promise if the H.G. was not the multiplication of God...Behold i send the Promise of my father upon you which was baptism of the H.G...They gave birth to a spiritual Child which is the H.G Immanuel God with them...When Isaiah saw the Kingdom coming he said unto us a Child is born..Thus the WOMAN IN Rev. 12:5 GB.
.....God cd not instruct all the angels to worship his only son Jesus if Joseph was his biological Father...Simply b/c all men carry this curse and stain of adam...The Lamb of God cd not be tainted by this terrible curse and spot of ADAM...The very fact that Jesus had NO Propensity to sin proves that God Almighty was his Absolute Father making him God the son...And an Absolute Son...All mine is thine and all thine is mine...Making him equal to his father....He thought it not robbery to be equal to his father simply b/c he came out of the Fathers Bosom...Meaning Jesus was the Fathers living Word...That heavenly seed.
....Why wd God make this great Promise that Christ wd be multiplied as the Stars of heaven...Simply b/c God wanted a perfect ISRAEL THAT CD NOT SIN...God needed a man that cd sow AN INCORRUPTIBLE SEED IN HUMANITY...Thats y God swore by his very self when he made that Promise...Not Joseph or any man cd ever sow such a seed...It wd have to BE A GOD MAN...The Absolute seed of God...Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the WORD came it made them Gods and the scripture cannot be broken which is the multiplication of very God...Remember God Almighty swore by his very self when he made that great Promise...Gen.22:16...In Adam we all die but in Christ in we will all live...Rememeber Mary wanted Jesus to help her and Joseph...But Jesus replied i must be about MY FATHERS BUSINESS...Not Joseph's business.
..... Hebrews 1 :8 ...Unto the son (Jesus) he says thy Throne O GOD is forever...gb
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