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Good morning, I would like to discuss the topic of once saved always saved, and how others who say they were saved have departed the faith of the Lord Jesus. Do you think that these people maybe were never saved at all to begin with? Or does this mean they're still saved but just straying away?
Hi Donnie. This is a subject that we need to approach carefully. I believe that if we base our reading of the Scriptures & how we bring them together, on the following passage, then we would have a true view of the matter & what should be our stance (or, opinion) on it.
The portion is in 2 Timothy 2:17-19: "And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."
These two named persons could be representative of those who have 'departed from the faith': in this case, they not only taught incorrectly but continued to do so, causing many to err from the Truth & even have their faith compromised. And of course, there will be others, having believed & followed the Lord, but have been persuaded & led away by the prince of this World, preferring the world's offerings more than the sacrificial Love of God & His Son ( 1 John 2:15).
But "the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal...". As the old hymn goes: 'the Church's one foundation is Jesus Christ her Lord..." seen also in 1 Corinthians 3:11; and we learn from 2 Timothy 2:19 that not only is Christ's Church firmly established according to God's great Plan, but those who are the Church (sealed by God's Spirit) are truly His - 'AND THE LORD KNOWS THEM THAT ARE HIS'. Every message from the NT writers to the believers (those who 'name the Name of Christ'), that they were to be living carefully & depart from all iniquity. The Apostle Peter says it well in 2 Peter 1:8-11: "...give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall...".
We can never judge another's salvation. but we can encourage all to pursue holiness & leave the rest to the Lord.
The portion is in 2 Timothy 2:17-19: "And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus; Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity."
These two named persons could be representative of those who have 'departed from the faith': in this case, they not only taught incorrectly but continued to do so, causing many to err from the Truth & even have their faith compromised. And of course, there will be others, having believed & followed the Lord, but have been persuaded & led away by the prince of this World, preferring the world's offerings more than the sacrificial Love of God & His Son ( 1 John 2:15).
But "the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal...". As the old hymn goes: 'the Church's one foundation is Jesus Christ her Lord..." seen also in 1 Corinthians 3:11; and we learn from 2 Timothy 2:19 that not only is Christ's Church firmly established according to God's great Plan, but those who are the Church (sealed by God's Spirit) are truly His - 'AND THE LORD KNOWS THEM THAT ARE HIS'. Every message from the NT writers to the believers (those who 'name the Name of Christ'), that they were to be living carefully & depart from all iniquity. The Apostle Peter says it well in 2 Peter 1:8-11: "...give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall...".
We can never judge another's salvation. but we can encourage all to pursue holiness & leave the rest to the Lord.
"it would have been better for them not to know the way of righteousness than to know it and after turn away from it"
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