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  • Richard H Priday on John 1 - 1 year ago
    John 1:5 conclusion. When we read John 13:30; we see Judas Iscariot going out "immediately" after given the "sop" which was given traditionally to an honored guest. The narrative continues into John 14 and 15 all the way to John 15:16 which mentions the Disciples being called; chosen AND ordained (sans the traitor). The "fruit production" comes to those God has enabled to do this.

    They have promises therefore of inheriting eternal life and the glories of heaven ( John 14:2).

    The cost of being a disciple of course was soon to be revealed; namely in Peter's fall. In Luke 22:32 the word "converted" is used in order to describe what would soon happen. Christ knew all; of course that Peter was one of His own (as He would give nicknames to emphasize characteristics of the Apostles). In John 1:42 Jesus said that he would be called Cephus or the rock; later on in Matthew 16:16 we see that Christ was revealed to Peter as to who He was. Therefore the word converted here would mean to be restored spiritually after the fall; but it showed the effects of true repentance. Peter until this point was impetuous and immature in many ways as a child in his walk; so the meaning here is when Peter's outward behavior would represent a radical transfomation and involved dying to self. This made him ready after the Resurrection to take on what he knew would end up in martyrdom ( John 21:18). It also gave him boldness in the Book of Acts despite a realistic fear of his own persecution.

    Let us therefore take heed; that we are slow to speak as well as swift to hear and slow to wrath (mixed up interpretation of James 1:19). We need to look out for false teachers as well; who self identify as believers; but show no evidence of true faith and producing good fruit.
  • Rugged Christian - In Reply on John 1 - 1 year ago
    Unfortunately, many believe that to "produce good fruit" means to gain financially and/or gaining a large flock around them. I believe that by producing good fruit is increasing your love for God and showing that in both one's personal and public life whether it is meant to be seen by everyone or not. "Producing Good Fruit" or "Show One's Fruit" can twist and turn many minds and can lead to intense debates.
  • Sammi - In Reply on John 1 - 1 year ago
    Yes , I agree . Many these days seem to equate Godliness with gain . We must try to remember Jesus's warning about the deceitfulness of riches .
  • T Levis - In Reply on John 1 - 1 year ago
    Agreed,

    Scripture to back you

    Matthew 25:31-46, James 2:5-20, 1Timothy 6:6-12, James 1:27, Colossians 1:10, Hebrews 13:5, James 3:17,18, Jude 1,

    Hopefully these are helpful



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