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BIBLE DISCUSSION THREAD 210061

Bible Discussion Thread

 
  • Mary B. on 1 Kings 1 - 2 years ago
    In the book of Acts is where they were born again. Jesus said water & Spirit. They were baptized in the name Of Jesus Christ and received the holy Ghost. Therefore Acts 2:38.

    That is the gospel to be obeyed.

    Matthew 28:19 & John 3:3-5 is fulfilled in Acts 2:38.

    The epistles from Romans- Jude was not written to the world, not written to the sinner. It is written to the brethren.

    To those that disagree, you need to ask the Lord for a revelation.

    Believing in Christ is just the beginning. Amen

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  • Chris - In Reply on 1 Kings 1 - 2 years ago
    Hello Mary B. Just on the matter in John 3:3-5 (as you quoted), the full reading should also include verses 6-8.

    In Verse 3: Jesus speaks of a re-birth; Verse 4: Nicodemus thinks of a physical birth; Verse 5: Jesus speaks of a birth that is both "of water and the Spirit" (here the Greek for 'of' is 'from or coming out of'); Verse 6: Jesus qualifies verse 5, that which is physical & that which is spiritual (i.e. water & spirit); Verse 7: re-birth is a must; Verse 8: re-birth is only by the Holy Spirit & not of man's invention or decree.

    If we take only verses 3 to 5, then it appears that water (i.e. a water baptism) is necessary (with the baptizing of the Holy Spirit) to enter the Kingdom of God. But we have the problem of the word 'of' which is 'coming out of/from'. Water baptism can never give a spiritual re-birth - only by God's Spirit. The one being baptized in water cannot be said as being born again as a result - he can be immersed in it & rise up out of it, as his testimony of confession, but water is just that - water - giving no possibility of re-birth.

    As well, it's interesting that there appears a correlation between verses 4, 5, & 6. Could Jesus' mentioning of 'being born out of water' equate to His qualifier in verse 6 'being born (out of) flesh', as He referred to Nicodemus' question in verse 4; even as He talks of being born from the Spirit is spirit? Water then, is the metaphor for that which of the flesh/the earthly - and carnality is suggested as well. But a Spirit baptism is altogether Holy, which gives the believer a new Spirit indwelling him, controlling him, ministering to him. Thus "that which is born of the Spirit IS spirit" and that "which is born of flesh (water) is flesh" - and this can only be flesh/living in the flesh without the indwelling Spirit of God.



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