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  • Greta Murphy. on John 17 - 1 year ago
    In which gospel does Jesus say "these are the signs that will be associated with believers".
  • Richard H Priday - In Reply - 1 year ago
    MATTHEW 24:34: THE GENERATION CONUNDRUM

    It has been suggested by many that either the Lord fulfilled all things in the generation that He was on earth which He referred to here (consummating in the AD 70 Roman slaughter of the Jews and destruction of Jerusalem); or more commonly that some or all things are yet to be fulfilled within the "generation" which began in 1948 when it is said that Ezekiel's prophecy of a nation born in a day ( Isaiah 66:8; see also Ezekiel 37:21 as well as verse 4 on the "valley of dry bones.") Psalm 90:10 in my mind fairly well makes it clear the extent of the normal lifetime of a man; and other scriptures seem to indicate a generation is 40 years. The case of Noah and the Ark is sometimes brought up; as to the number of days of man being 120 years ( Genesis 6:3). As to whether that means the time until the Ark was built from that statement or the lifespan of man or both may also be in question. Whatever the case; it is clear by the time of Christ people were living lives at best similar to today. It has generally been suggested therefore that a generation is 40 years and a double fulfillment would certainly make that evident when we see the time from Christ's proclamation until 70 AD as being slightly less than 40 years.

    We went through the years of expectation in 1988 as to the rapture (although the prophecy mentions the "sign of the coming of the Son of Man" which would probably be when the world sees Him in the 6th Seal or later near His return by the context of the verse). At any rate; we went through the 90's and then some said it was really 1967 and the capture of Jerusalem that started off the final generation. Jump to 2008 and that clarly didn't happen; and then the 2017 events which recognized Jerusalem as the capitol and yet we are still here in 2023. Somethin' ain't right here with the logic. We would certainly expect that because things didn't happen as expected many will fall away ( 2 Peter 3:4; Matt. 24:28).
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Good Afternoon, Richard. I hope you are doing well today. I am still fighting this respiratory deal with coughing and fatigue, but getting a little better day by day, needing my nebulizer less often. Please pray for my complete recovery. I break a sweat over such little exertion. So, I'm purging closets in spurts. this has needed to be done for some time. Since my husband will retire June 1st, we definitely need to downsize a lot!

    In speaking of this passage in Matthew. i am one who does think that Jesus was speaking of the generation at the time he was speaking and many things were fulfilled in 70.A.D. But i also think that these prophecies of Jesus have a double fulfillment aspect where much of them will be fulfilled at the end of times, also. We may have a repeat of the same type of prophetic event happening in the end as happened in 70 A.D., but also, some of what Jesus predicted did not happen in 70 A.D. and will be fulfilled in the end times.

    The re-creation of Israel was accomplished primarily by Zionists that are very wealthy and have a great deal of power and control over world affairs.(thinking Rothchild's, etc.) Their goal is the New World Order and not necessarily to follow God's will. But as it were, Israel has become a nation again in an unexpected way. I remember the talk concerning the generation that began in 1948, (many are still alive), and then the 1967, and then the Jubilee year of 2018 (70 years after Israel was re-created. Now people are talking about the year 6000 of the Jewish calendar being the time of the fulfillment of history. There are certainly a lot of theories. But for me, I think about what Jesus said about being faithful to the end and being ready, prayerful, and alert. So I try to concentrate on being that way. I think I may have 20-25 years left since I am 66. But only God knows if Jesus will return before then or not. I live in expectation of His return but also with the mindset to be prepared to live out my life until me
  • GiGi - In Reply - 1 year ago
    Oops, until old age takes me. Either way, I will be with the Lord.
  • Giannis - In Reply on John 17 - 1 year ago
    Mark 16:15-18.
  • Jesse - In Reply on John 17 - 1 year ago
    Greta,

    My apology. That was Hebrews 2:4, not Verse 2.
  • Jesse - In Reply on John 17 - 1 year ago
    Greta Murphy,

    Mark 16:17 says, "And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;"



    New tongues means new languages, known languages!

    Mark 16:18 says, "They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover."

    And then Mark 16:19-20 gives us the confirmation of the word.

    And all these things in Verses 16-17 were done. But please notice these next two verses carefully ( Mark 16:19-20):

    "So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen."

    Hebrews 2:2 tells us that when the apostles went out and preached that there were signs that followed in order to establish the apostles preaching as the gospel of God. And that is what he is saying here.



    We know that there are various signs that were worked by Jesus through the disciples in order to confirm the message they were hearing is the gospel. It doesn't say everybody, that every person that believes down through history is going to manifest all these various things, but rather for the confirmation of the establishment of the Word of God, which we have with us today.

    Hope this helps!



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