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I agree with Chris, just to add a little, God warned Israel to stay away from the gods of the land. We see in Eph. 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Pants do not take away the femininity of a woman, but if a woman dresses butch to look a be a man or a man dress feminine to be a woman. It is our gender we are not to change or imitate. That was highly practiced in the people worshiping the ancient gods and these principalities of darkness, wicked spirits are behind this.
We see today these spirits overwhelming effect on the world, and it is welcomed and supported by our governments and societies and taught in schools. Isa. 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
My understanding of Deuteronomy 22:5 it is speaking of sexual immoral matters of all kinds that is excepted and supported today, and transgender is ok and protected by the law in many countries of the world.
We are called to not imitate the world, but Christ. So, just as the Israelites were not to imitate the ungodly practices of the surrounding nations, we are not to imitate the practices of the world that are ungodly, also. I don't think we need to live a "separatist's" lifestyle like some sects do, but we should, in our dress and conduct stand out as godly people who fear and honor God in all we do. We are to love not the world and the lusts of it, but to love what God has determined to be good and decent, setting ourselves apart as holy unto the Lord, as the Israelites were set apart for God and His purposes.
John 8:23; Romans 12:2; 1 John 2:15
Ronald, I hope you are doing well. Hope to hear from you more often.
I am fine, I read the posts every day, sounds like you are doing better, prayer works. I think you, Sammi, and Chris are right on. I believe "for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God" has a deeper meaning than a woman wearing pants when it was about both men and women doing this. As Chris said, there are more important things.
What is alarming is how fast this transgender movement is moving with the support of so many nations, along with all the sexual perverseness and other things. We just need to "be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord."
I saw someone today with a t-shirt that said, "let's Co-exist".
I thought, well that is fine for them because they know that they are NOT following God's way and are expecting us who know Him and follow Him to approve of their ideas, religious practices and beliefs, worldview, and daily lifestyles. My sister is this way, she is a practicing occultic shamanistic spiritist and when I was planning our Mom's memorial service last summer (Mom had chosen me ahead of time to lead it) my sister complained to my other sisters that there would be an inequity of spirituality at this memorial due to me being a Christian along with my other sister who Mom had designated to help, and my Mom. I was beyond flabbergasted that she would even complain about this! I thought that memorials were to honor the one who died and to bring her occultic practices into the memorial service would be so disrespectful.
In an e-mail after her complaint to my other sisters, she told me that memorials are for the ones who survive, not so much for the one who died and that all spiritualities should be welcomed AND ACCEPTED. So, there you have it. Expecting me to "co-exist" with her pagan occultic religious practices with full acceptance. I responded simply by thanking her for sharing her thoughts with me and left it at that. It does not pay to get into such matters with her. She has long been a sore spot in our family dynamics. But I was kind but not inviting to consider more of what she had to say.
So, as I read through Leviticus, it is so apparent that God does not want us to co-exist with those who stand against Him and the truth of who He is and what He has done for us. The wickedness of this time in history is so pervasive and whatever is against God and has been called evil by Him is touted as good and those do not agree are considered evil and hateful. So much for tolerance of others ideas and our freedom to think and say what we believe.
It is my understanding that this has more to do with deception than anything else . When the old testament was written there were no such things as pants or trousers . Men and women in the ancient middle East often wore similar garments , the problems arise from , young male homosexuals . Some of these would work as prostitutes but would dress and act like women . Many of the men who used their services would be aware that they were sleeping with a young man and many didn't care about it . However , if these young male prostitutes slept with a heterosexual man who didn't know that he was sleeping with another man , the heterosexual man , if he discovered that he had been deceived by a homosexual , would often kill the prostitute . So , I think this law is based on the act of deceiving some one into thinking that you are one gender when in fact you are the other gender . For me , if a lady wishes to wear trousers , as long as she is still very obviously a lady , I don't see a problem . There are many Christian ladies living in very cold climates around this earth , I imagine that they frequently wear trousers and who would blame them ? When Christ returns he will not be judging people by the way they dress , he will be looking at our hearts .
Those who vehemently oppose "women wearing pants", usually quote Deuteronomy 22:5: "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God."
Not much else is given to support this command, so it is open to all types of interpretation. With that added phrase, "neither shall a man put on a woman's garment", I think we could assume that any type of cross-dressing (as it's referred to now), must be rejected as abnormal & unbecoming of a child of God. Why God had stipulated this, whether there was such evidence amongst the Israelites at that time, or as a warning of a future situation whether within the tribe or when they would one day be confronted with the wickednesses of the gentiles & their temple worship, I can't be sure.
What we see today (such women wearing pants, or even kilts by the Scots) are the accepted cultural norms that, at the least, are decent & unprovocative. And of course, even though an outfit might be considered male-centric, the patterns on or cut of the garment would clearly reveal the gender to which they belong. I wonder if the same opponents to pant-wearing women are then quite accepting of those women who visit the beach with next to nothing on....and then say, 'well, at least they're not wearing pants'.
For me, I think there are far more important & immoral matters to deal with in society than what is generally considered normal clothing for the genders.
We definitely are to "act our gender" in the way we dress and behave. As Sammi said, in the time of the Israelites, men and women wore similar tunics. Maybe some style of pants was worn by military or people serving kings, etc. But everyday dress was similar. Women most likely wore some sort of veil across their faces and over their hair. Men may have worn a type of turban, but it was just as likely that they wore some wore of veil over their heads to shield from the sun.
The command to not cross dress had some relation to the practices of the surrounding nations. But whatever the case. God wanted one's gender to be clear by the way one dressed.
In today's world, casual dress is so common that men and women dress alike in many situations. In the winter, pants keep one warmer than skirts. In the summer, shorts and t-shirts are more comfortable than long pants and long-sleeved shirts. But even if both sexes dress similarly across the seasons, it is usually easy to tell gender. But then we have those who are obviously cross-dressing and this is what is prohibited. And, modesty in dress is always appropriate.
But, as you said, Chris, there are more important matters to focus on than this one.
I agree with Chris, just to add a little, God warned Israel to stay away from the gods of the land. We see in Eph. 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Pants do not take away the femininity of a woman, but if a woman dresses butch to look a be a man or a man dress feminine to be a woman. It is our gender we are not to change or imitate. That was highly practiced in the people worshiping the ancient gods and these principalities of darkness, wicked spirits are behind this.
We see today these spirits overwhelming effect on the world, and it is welcomed and supported by our governments and societies and taught in schools. Isa. 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
My understanding of Deuteronomy 22:5 it is speaking of sexual immoral matters of all kinds that is excepted and supported today, and transgender is ok and protected by the law in many countries of the world.
God bless,
RLW
We are called to not imitate the world, but Christ. So, just as the Israelites were not to imitate the ungodly practices of the surrounding nations, we are not to imitate the practices of the world that are ungodly, also. I don't think we need to live a "separatist's" lifestyle like some sects do, but we should, in our dress and conduct stand out as godly people who fear and honor God in all we do. We are to love not the world and the lusts of it, but to love what God has determined to be good and decent, setting ourselves apart as holy unto the Lord, as the Israelites were set apart for God and His purposes.
John 8:23; Romans 12:2; 1 John 2:15
Ronald, I hope you are doing well. Hope to hear from you more often.
I am fine, I read the posts every day, sounds like you are doing better, prayer works. I think you, Sammi, and Chris are right on. I believe "for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God" has a deeper meaning than a woman wearing pants when it was about both men and women doing this. As Chris said, there are more important things.
What is alarming is how fast this transgender movement is moving with the support of so many nations, along with all the sexual perverseness and other things. We just need to "be ye stedfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord."
God bless and stay well,
RLW
I saw someone today with a t-shirt that said, "let's Co-exist".
I thought, well that is fine for them because they know that they are NOT following God's way and are expecting us who know Him and follow Him to approve of their ideas, religious practices and beliefs, worldview, and daily lifestyles. My sister is this way, she is a practicing occultic shamanistic spiritist and when I was planning our Mom's memorial service last summer (Mom had chosen me ahead of time to lead it) my sister complained to my other sisters that there would be an inequity of spirituality at this memorial due to me being a Christian along with my other sister who Mom had designated to help, and my Mom. I was beyond flabbergasted that she would even complain about this! I thought that memorials were to honor the one who died and to bring her occultic practices into the memorial service would be so disrespectful.
In an e-mail after her complaint to my other sisters, she told me that memorials are for the ones who survive, not so much for the one who died and that all spiritualities should be welcomed AND ACCEPTED. So, there you have it. Expecting me to "co-exist" with her pagan occultic religious practices with full acceptance. I responded simply by thanking her for sharing her thoughts with me and left it at that. It does not pay to get into such matters with her. She has long been a sore spot in our family dynamics. But I was kind but not inviting to consider more of what she had to say.
So, as I read through Leviticus, it is so apparent that God does not want us to co-exist with those who stand against Him and the truth of who He is and what He has done for us. The wickedness of this time in history is so pervasive and whatever is against God and has been called evil by Him is touted as good and those do not agree are considered evil and hateful. So much for tolerance of others ideas and our freedom to think and say what we believe.
Not much else is given to support this command, so it is open to all types of interpretation. With that added phrase, "neither shall a man put on a woman's garment", I think we could assume that any type of cross-dressing (as it's referred to now), must be rejected as abnormal & unbecoming of a child of God. Why God had stipulated this, whether there was such evidence amongst the Israelites at that time, or as a warning of a future situation whether within the tribe or when they would one day be confronted with the wickednesses of the gentiles & their temple worship, I can't be sure.
What we see today (such women wearing pants, or even kilts by the Scots) are the accepted cultural norms that, at the least, are decent & unprovocative. And of course, even though an outfit might be considered male-centric, the patterns on or cut of the garment would clearly reveal the gender to which they belong. I wonder if the same opponents to pant-wearing women are then quite accepting of those women who visit the beach with next to nothing on....and then say, 'well, at least they're not wearing pants'.
For me, I think there are far more important & immoral matters to deal with in society than what is generally considered normal clothing for the genders.
We definitely are to "act our gender" in the way we dress and behave. As Sammi said, in the time of the Israelites, men and women wore similar tunics. Maybe some style of pants was worn by military or people serving kings, etc. But everyday dress was similar. Women most likely wore some sort of veil across their faces and over their hair. Men may have worn a type of turban, but it was just as likely that they wore some wore of veil over their heads to shield from the sun.
The command to not cross dress had some relation to the practices of the surrounding nations. But whatever the case. God wanted one's gender to be clear by the way one dressed.
In today's world, casual dress is so common that men and women dress alike in many situations. In the winter, pants keep one warmer than skirts. In the summer, shorts and t-shirts are more comfortable than long pants and long-sleeved shirts. But even if both sexes dress similarly across the seasons, it is usually easy to tell gender. But then we have those who are obviously cross-dressing and this is what is prohibited. And, modesty in dress is always appropriate.
But, as you said, Chris, there are more important matters to focus on than this one.
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