Bible Discussion Thread

Who is Gog? Russia or Turkey?

As a final sidenote; Mescesh and Tubal have been ascribed as Moscow and another Russian city with the name of the second reference. It depends who you talk to in that regard; the point I would state is that DESCENDANTS with those names generally went to certain regions as well as specific cities. It seems that Russia leads the invasion along with a league of others; and that specifically indicates their alliance now with Turkey as well as Iran. Syria certainly is involved as well at least with present alliances; and if we look at recent history the Orthodox church is a common denominator as well which ties these nations together. It seems Isaiah 17 could happen in the Psalm 83 event and/or previous to the Ezekiel 38 event and could be caused by an Israeli strike. Time will tell.

I would tend to think that there is a good argument that it is Turkey. It also is a surrounding nation to Russia and one of those nations which it seems Russia is allied with; as recent events seem to show. The common factor here has to involve an economic one as the passage indicates; therefore it is more consistent with a nationalistic viewpoint of Russia which would be more amenable to other nations which have ethnic Russians as is the case now rather than necessarily a Communist region; although it is plausible that it could once again lean that way should the Lord tarry. The economic ties are what holds together a largely Muslim group of nations with Russia as well as there has been opposition in the past (such as with Afghanistan) where the Russians tried 9 times to invade and finally gave out back in the late 70's.

We need to keep in mind the geographic intersection of the final composite Beast system as well which no doubt involves nations that were part of the Babylonian; Persian; Roman and Greek empires that focus on the Turkey area and one or two other countries. There is; of course the Geopolitical divide with the Shiite Muslim nations (mainly in the north) and the Sunni in the south who now are allying more with Israel (and as the passages indicate will sort of be neutral once the great invasion occurs) as verse 12 points out. Clearly; the line is drawn between these regions and it seems to me that parts of Daniel 11 and 12 involving the kings of the north and south may repeat some of the same things that happened during the time of Antiochus.

I have also suggested that the Psalm 83 war likely will happen first; and more controversially may begin the final generation as we have gone so far past 1948 for it to remain viable as I see it. In any event Israel must feel confident enough to be unsuspecting and a "land of unwalled villages" which it clearly isn't YET. (see verse 11).

Hope this helps somewhat. Gog also is an ancient site in Turkey.

Laura,

Gog is the word that the Jews use for all people who are the enemies of Israel.

All people who are the enemies of Israel are called Gog.

This is all taken from imagery in Ezekiel Chapters 38 and 39. In that picture, the kings of the east will come through the dried up Euphrates River and attack God's people.

Magog is the god, or idol of Gog.

During our study (Sunday school) we've come to the conclusion that because of location it's Russia.