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Can we pray for people who have done things that are not even mentionable?
People who won't/ can't even go to the church because of such great condemnation from the enemy and fear that the church will not forgive them .
But people who's hearts are so repentant. Who long to be forgiven.
Maybe murderers, rapists, sex offenders. What do we say to reassure them they are forgiven?
Does God forgive them?
What about backsliders?
Does the church really forgive them?
Can they forgive theirselves?
How do we as Christians approach this subject and these people?
I know there are those who have done horrible things and are genuinely repentant but where are they? Why aren't they flocking into the churches? And openly confessing their sins?
Is the church helping these people? Because I don't see them there.
Please speak to this if you are so enlightened of the Lord to do so but please use wisdom so that no one in that category would be turned away from seeking forgiveness and Gods love.
Could we be called to bring them in and restore the truly repentant to God?
I will conclude by answering your specific questions:
Can we pray for people who have done things that are not even mentionable? Yes, of course. No matter what the sin, they are God's children calling out for help due to a lack of awareness of love in their minds. We can appreciate the Sonship ONLY as one. Each one we see we place within the holy circle of Atonement, or leave outside, judging him fit for crucifixion or redemption. If we bring him into the circle of purity, we will rest there with him. If we leave him without, we join him there. Prayer for a brother is prayer for yourself.
Maybe murderers, rapists and sex offenders. What do we say to reassure them they are forgiven? Teach ONLY love. This will assure them.
Does God forgive them? No. How could he forgive what cannot enter His pure, perfectly loving Mind. Both pure and salt water cannot flow from the same spring, BECAUSE what is impure does not exist there.
What about backsliders? Who doesn't backslide to some degree. When we do, we need but choose again.
Does the church really forgive them? Probably not, though they may think they do, although their intentions are meant to be harmless. The world does not at this time understand the true meaning of forgiveness.
Can they forgive their selves? Yes, it is necessary. But it cannot be attained by withholding forgiveness from all of God's creation. Love holds no grievances.
How do we as Christians approach this subject and these people? I've answered to some of this in the above. To answer fully will take more time. Try though to consider that we who are not at war must look for brothers and recognize all we see as brothers, because only equals are at peace. Peace is stronger than war because it heals. Your sinless brother brother is your guide to peace. Your sinful brother brother is your guide to pain. And which you choose to see you will behold.
I feel I've answered your next questions in my reply. Also, all are called. GOD IS.
The world trains for reliance on one's judgment as the criterion for maturity and strength. The Holy Spirit trains for the relinquishment of judgment as the necessary condition for salvation. Faithlessness looks upon the son of God and judges him unworthy of forgiveness. But through the eyes of faith, the children of God are seen already forgiven, free of all the guilt THEY laid upon themselves. What the truly seeing look upon IS sinless. No one who loves can judge, and what he sees he did not make, for it was GIVEN him to see, as was the vision that made his seeing possible.
If we wish to be the author of reality, we will insist on holding on to judgment. We will also regard judgment with fear, believing it will someday be used against us. The role we give our brother is given us, and we will walk the way we pointed out to him because it is our judgment on our self. Your brother is the mirror of yourself, wherein you see the judgment you have laid on both of you. When you recognize what you are and what your brothers are, you will realize that judging them in any way is without meaning. It is difficult to relinquish judgment. But it is difficult indeed to try to keep it.
Nothing we understand is fearful. It is only in darkness and in ignorance (the term "ignorance" also meant for myself) that we perceive the frightening, and shrink away from it to further darkness. Whenever we are afraid we ARE deceived, and our mind cannot serve the Holy Spirit.
As we teach so shall we learn. If we react as if we are persecuted, we are teaching persecution. This is not a lesson Son of God should want to teach if he is to realize his own salvation. Rather, teach your own perfect immunity, which is the truth in you, and realize it cannot BE assailed. Our worth is not established by teaching or learning. Our worth is established by God. As long as we dispute this everything we do will end in fear, particularly any situation that lends itself to the belief in superiority and inferiority.
The opposite of seeing through the body's eyes is the vision of Christ, which reflects strength rather than weakness, unity rather than separation, and love rather than fear. The opposite of hearing through the body's ears is communication through the Voice for God, the Holy Spirit, which abides in each of us. His Voice may seem distant and difficult to hear because the "devil", which speaks for the little, separated self,seems to be much louder.This is actually reversed. The Holy Spirit speaks with unmistakable clarity and overwhelming appeal. No one who does not choose to identify with the body could possibly be deaf to His messages of release and hope, nor could he fail to accept joyously the vision of Christ in glad exchange for HIS miserable picture of himself. The message of the crucifixion is perfectly clear: TEACH ONLY LOVE, for that is what you are. If you interpret the crucifixion in any other way, you are using it as a weapon for assault rather than as the call for peace for which it was intended.
I believe I can relate to some of your questions and concerns, because as I mentioned in a previous post, I attended church for much of my life. Therefore, I believe the reason why the one's you speak of are not flocking to the churches and/or are not returning, is because they were terrorized. I've previously stated, "Good teachers never terrorize their students." To terrorize is to attack, and this results in rejection of what the teacher offers.The result is learning failure.
I've also stated, "Our belief in fear cannot be resolved through the mastery of fear. The true resolution rests entirely on mastery through love." All fear is ultimately reducible to the basic misperception that we have the ability to usurp the power of God. We have not usurped the power of God, but we HAVE lost it. God IS Love, but love is treacherous to those who fear, since fear and hate can never be apart. No one who hates but is afraid of love, and therefore must he be afraid of God. Under each cornerstone of fear on which we have erected our insane system of belief, the truth lies hidden. Yet we cannot know this, for by hiding truth in fear, we see no reason to believe that the more we look at fear for what it is for, the less we see it, and the clearer what it conceals becomes. The "devil" does not think it possible that love, not fear is really called upon by sin, AND ALWAYS ANSWERS. For the devil brings sin to fear, demanding punishment. God is life. Therefore the fear of God becomes the fear of life, and not of death. No right mind can believe that its will is stronger than God's. If, then, a mind believes that its will is different from His, it can only decide either that their is no God or that God's Will is fearful. Only our insane mind can produce fear. It does so when it is conflicted in what it wants (fear or love),producing inevitable strain because wanting and doing are discordant....
Dear Donna, greetings. There's not a sin God will not forgive except the sin of rejecting Christ. Anyone, no matter what they've done, should be able to go to church without that church judging them. However, this is not always the case, of course. Yet, maybe there are people in churches who have committed horrible sins but are keeping silent about them, and who can blame them? And why should they confess in public the sins they committed before they were saved?--unless circumstances require it. All that matters, after all, is that Jesus forgave them. As for the church, it should not judge others for the sins they committed before redemption or as a Christian. We are to treat others the way we would have them treat us...yet be discerning of who stands before us because the hard truth is some people are predators in sheep's clothing.
People who won't/ can't even go to the church because of such great condemnation from the enemy and fear that the church will not forgive them .
But people who's hearts are so repentant. Who long to be forgiven.
Maybe murderers, rapists, sex offenders. What do we say to reassure them they are forgiven?
Does God forgive them?
What about backsliders?
Does the church really forgive them?
Can they forgive theirselves?
How do we as Christians approach this subject and these people?
I know there are those who have done horrible things and are genuinely repentant but where are they? Why aren't they flocking into the churches? And openly confessing their sins?
Is the church helping these people? Because I don't see them there.
Please speak to this if you are so enlightened of the Lord to do so but please use wisdom so that no one in that category would be turned away from seeking forgiveness and Gods love.
Could we be called to bring them in and restore the truly repentant to God?
I will conclude by answering your specific questions:
Can we pray for people who have done things that are not even mentionable? Yes, of course. No matter what the sin, they are God's children calling out for help due to a lack of awareness of love in their minds. We can appreciate the Sonship ONLY as one. Each one we see we place within the holy circle of Atonement, or leave outside, judging him fit for crucifixion or redemption. If we bring him into the circle of purity, we will rest there with him. If we leave him without, we join him there. Prayer for a brother is prayer for yourself.
Maybe murderers, rapists and sex offenders. What do we say to reassure them they are forgiven? Teach ONLY love. This will assure them.
Does God forgive them? No. How could he forgive what cannot enter His pure, perfectly loving Mind. Both pure and salt water cannot flow from the same spring, BECAUSE what is impure does not exist there.
What about backsliders? Who doesn't backslide to some degree. When we do, we need but choose again.
Does the church really forgive them? Probably not, though they may think they do, although their intentions are meant to be harmless. The world does not at this time understand the true meaning of forgiveness.
Can they forgive their selves? Yes, it is necessary. But it cannot be attained by withholding forgiveness from all of God's creation. Love holds no grievances.
How do we as Christians approach this subject and these people? I've answered to some of this in the above. To answer fully will take more time. Try though to consider that we who are not at war must look for brothers and recognize all we see as brothers, because only equals are at peace. Peace is stronger than war because it heals. Your sinless brother brother is your guide to peace. Your sinful brother brother is your guide to pain. And which you choose to see you will behold.
I feel I've answered your next questions in my reply. Also, all are called. GOD IS.
The world trains for reliance on one's judgment as the criterion for maturity and strength. The Holy Spirit trains for the relinquishment of judgment as the necessary condition for salvation. Faithlessness looks upon the son of God and judges him unworthy of forgiveness. But through the eyes of faith, the children of God are seen already forgiven, free of all the guilt THEY laid upon themselves. What the truly seeing look upon IS sinless. No one who loves can judge, and what he sees he did not make, for it was GIVEN him to see, as was the vision that made his seeing possible.
If we wish to be the author of reality, we will insist on holding on to judgment. We will also regard judgment with fear, believing it will someday be used against us. The role we give our brother is given us, and we will walk the way we pointed out to him because it is our judgment on our self. Your brother is the mirror of yourself, wherein you see the judgment you have laid on both of you. When you recognize what you are and what your brothers are, you will realize that judging them in any way is without meaning. It is difficult to relinquish judgment. But it is difficult indeed to try to keep it.
Blessings
GOD IS
Nothing we understand is fearful. It is only in darkness and in ignorance (the term "ignorance" also meant for myself) that we perceive the frightening, and shrink away from it to further darkness. Whenever we are afraid we ARE deceived, and our mind cannot serve the Holy Spirit.
As we teach so shall we learn. If we react as if we are persecuted, we are teaching persecution. This is not a lesson Son of God should want to teach if he is to realize his own salvation. Rather, teach your own perfect immunity, which is the truth in you, and realize it cannot BE assailed. Our worth is not established by teaching or learning. Our worth is established by God. As long as we dispute this everything we do will end in fear, particularly any situation that lends itself to the belief in superiority and inferiority.
The opposite of seeing through the body's eyes is the vision of Christ, which reflects strength rather than weakness, unity rather than separation, and love rather than fear. The opposite of hearing through the body's ears is communication through the Voice for God, the Holy Spirit, which abides in each of us. His Voice may seem distant and difficult to hear because the "devil", which speaks for the little, separated self,seems to be much louder.This is actually reversed. The Holy Spirit speaks with unmistakable clarity and overwhelming appeal. No one who does not choose to identify with the body could possibly be deaf to His messages of release and hope, nor could he fail to accept joyously the vision of Christ in glad exchange for HIS miserable picture of himself. The message of the crucifixion is perfectly clear: TEACH ONLY LOVE, for that is what you are. If you interpret the crucifixion in any other way, you are using it as a weapon for assault rather than as the call for peace for which it was intended.
see pg. 3
I believe I can relate to some of your questions and concerns, because as I mentioned in a previous post, I attended church for much of my life. Therefore, I believe the reason why the one's you speak of are not flocking to the churches and/or are not returning, is because they were terrorized. I've previously stated, "Good teachers never terrorize their students." To terrorize is to attack, and this results in rejection of what the teacher offers.The result is learning failure.
I've also stated, "Our belief in fear cannot be resolved through the mastery of fear. The true resolution rests entirely on mastery through love." All fear is ultimately reducible to the basic misperception that we have the ability to usurp the power of God. We have not usurped the power of God, but we HAVE lost it. God IS Love, but love is treacherous to those who fear, since fear and hate can never be apart. No one who hates but is afraid of love, and therefore must he be afraid of God. Under each cornerstone of fear on which we have erected our insane system of belief, the truth lies hidden. Yet we cannot know this, for by hiding truth in fear, we see no reason to believe that the more we look at fear for what it is for, the less we see it, and the clearer what it conceals becomes. The "devil" does not think it possible that love, not fear is really called upon by sin, AND ALWAYS ANSWERS. For the devil brings sin to fear, demanding punishment. God is life. Therefore the fear of God becomes the fear of life, and not of death. No right mind can believe that its will is stronger than God's. If, then, a mind believes that its will is different from His, it can only decide either that their is no God or that God's Will is fearful. Only our insane mind can produce fear. It does so when it is conflicted in what it wants (fear or love),producing inevitable strain because wanting and doing are discordant....
see pg. 2
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