Hello Alex, I decided to begin a new thread for my response to you. I wish to be systematic in my response to your post to me, so this may be submitted in several parts.
Part 1 THERE IS BUT ONE GOD-NOW AND EVER
First of all, I would like to establish that there is only one God according to Scripture.
Deut. 4:35 says, "Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God, there is none else beside him."
Isaiah 43:10 says ,"Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen; that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He; before Me there is no God formed; neither shall there be after Me."
Isaiah 44:6,8 says, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, the LORD of Hosts; I am the first and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.....Is there a God beside Me? Yeaw, there is no God, I know not any."
1Corinthians 8:4-6 says,, "...we know that an idol is nothing in this world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there may be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth (as there be gods many and lords many), But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him."
So, the testimony of Scriptures clearly and explicitly states the truth that there is but One God and that no other gods exist beside Him nor will any more gods exist after Him. This is because from eternity to eternity, He is the only God who is self-existent, without beginning or end, and He alone created all things outside of Himself. Any created being is not God nor will ever become a god. Angels will always be angels, humans will always be humans, and God will always be God.
Part 2 THERE IS NO ONE LIKE GOD-HE IS UNIQUE AND ONE OF A KIND
Scripture also says that there is no other being who is like Him in essence, perfection, limitlessness, and infinity.
Nor have question your level or spirituality. But as it is, I am not at all fazed nor deterred by your estimation of me.
Lastly, I will say that when you continue to put together a cacophony of bits of Scripture ripped out of context mixed with your own erroneous doctrinal ideas and repeatedly post it over and over again, this in no way transforms your false ideas into truth. Nor does doing this repetition offer any sound proofs of your ideas. Your hermeneutics lack logic and correct application of the Scriptures leading to interpretations that are out of sync with Scriptures and common Christian thought.
You may not like it when I say this about your ideas. I can understand that. I enjoy conversing with you on the rare occasions you do not wax into your usual monologue of false ideas. I think that we have much more we can talk about besides this too often repeated narrative of yours. I invite you to discuss other matters of faith besides this with me and others on this site.
All of this is said in love, as I take all of what you say to me is said in love, too. We are brethren, neither of us are reprobates and we have the same Holy Spirit within us to guide us, sanctify us, and change us to become more and more like Jesus in His perfect humanity. This same Spirit can bring us to the unity of the faith. I pray for that whenever I think of you. God bless you tonight.
My hands are getting tired from typing, but not too bad. Glad to be able to use both hands somewhat now.
GiGi ...Abraham Isaac and Jacob and the 12 tribes followed by the nation of ISRAEL....Is a beautful picture of multiplication and regeneration by God almighty....Just as Abraham offered up his only son so did God Almighty offered up his only son Jesus thus came that Promise of multiplication that Christ who is God wd be multiplied as the stars of heaven....Just as there was a natural Israel there has to be an Israel of God which are spirits as Jesus said that which is born of the spirit is spirits...As God is spirit the H.G. PLURAL....And i will pour out of my spirit on all flesh....Which is the gift of God to all of humanity at the last trump when the book is opened....We are gonna be married to God making us 1 with God....Thats y Jesus is saying blessed are them that follow me in the regeneration when the Son of man is revealed....Regeneration is multiplication of his seed the word the very seed of God to whom the word came ( his seed ) it made them Gods and the scripture cannot be broken
Just as Jacob's name was changed to Israel... the H.G. which is spirit the 3 RD PERSON is the ISRAEL OF GOD as Isaiah 49 tells us...There is truly gonna be an ISRAEL OF God from that good seed of Christ the word an order of Gods is the Israel of God that is gonna be born in everyman Jew or Gentile...By 1 spirit are we all baptised into the body of Christ Jew or Gentile...By the seed of Christ, That Living word ..God will be born in the hearts of everyman at the last trump...
Only the devil will tell you that man and God will neva be made 1...( There will neva be a marriage making man and God 1 ) I will make a man more precious then Gold...Even the golden wedge of Ophir...Simply b/c mankind is gonna birth a baby Christ the H.G. that Child of Promise...The vert fact that Jesus tells us The Kingdom of God is gona be within us means we are gonna be made 1 with God...impling a marriage to God almighty, i rest my case in Jesus name the bridegroom. impling multiplication TY Jesus.
I did not address the topic of the church being the bride of Christ in my posts. I do believe what the Scriptures say about Jesus being the bridegroom as far as believers being made one in Christ. Being made "one" does not mean we become Jesus, as if our humanity is absorbed into His deity. In a marriage, the two people are unified but still two distinct persons.
In life everlasting, we will be privileged to in union with Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit. We will be glorified with Christ. But the Bible does not teach that a separate new baby Holy Spirit or Christ is birthed in each of us as a result of this union. That is what I addressed in my post as false teaching. God is not multiplied in us, but He dwells in us. We have a human spirit, soul, and body. The Holy Spirit is divine Spirit. He dwells within us without any change to His essence. To be a "baby" Spirit or Christ, as you have said, who cannot yet talk because He is a baby and must grow up, indicates that God in His essence changes, as in He ages in time. This is a false idea that presents God falsely, diminishing Him to the level of a human.
GiGi remember Jesus had to be born in MARY...And Jesus says whosoever receiveth one Child in my name receiveth me...She brought forth a man child that is gonna rule all nations...ALL nations...Which answers to that Spirit of truth that Jesus said wd reprove this whole world of sin and righteousness and Judgement ...But Jesus says this spirit of truth will not speak of himself...Thats b/c the H.G. has to be born in us....Thats y Jesus is saying that which is BORN of the spirit is spirit...He is the result of the Sower and Jesus seed.. thats y Jesus has to know us...Even in the natural an infant cannot speak for a season....Gal.4:1 The heir as long as he is CHILD he differs nothin from a servant THO HE BE LORD OF ALL But is under governors and tutors till the time appointed of the FATHER...And Jesus is his father simply b/c its Jesus who sows that good seed in us..Lord of all is indicative of the H.G....The multiplication of very God in US...Remember that Child Prophet Jeremiah told God he cd not speak he was just a Child...But now under this N.C. our Prophet is the H.G. that has to be born in us...And rule all nations..Rev.12 :5...As that which is born of the spirit tis spirit...Which is the H.G. EMANUEL GOD WITH US....Only the H.G. abides with us for ever...Thus he is truly God with us Emanuel....Read Jeremiah 1 :6 That great Child prophet tells God he cannot speak of himself...But Jeremiah neva did destroy kingdoms and nations....He was just prophetic of the H.G. that heavenly Child that has to be born in us that is gonna rule all nations...The manchild...Unless you receieve the Kingdom of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...That precious woman giving birth is the result of the sower and his seed the contents of the book...That N.C....After the book is opened they all sang a new SONG...We will not sing this churchanity song much longer...We will sing the song of Moses and the lamb...The blood of the lamb will fulfill the law of Moses...ok gb
GiGi no sweetheart....The very fact that the bible refers to Jesus as THE BRIDEGROOM IS Indicative of multiplication and regeneration and regeneration and Jesus is God thus we are all gonna birth a baby Christ and Jesus is God....She brought forth a manchild which is the H.G. that is gonna rule all nations....Remember BRIDEGROOM IS INDICATIVE OF a Marriage MULTIPLICATION OF VERY God in US....Thats y Isaiah when he saw the kingdom coming says UNTO US A CHILD IS BORN...Unto us a son is given a baby Christ....GiGI the spirit can be born in us....BORN....Thats y Jesus is saying that which is born of the spirit is spirit which is the H.G. that Child of Promise....ok lemme go...Thus that Spirit of truth that has to be born in us is just a spritual infant that cannot speak for a season....Read Jeremiah 1: 6....Lord i cannot Speak I AM BUT A LIL CHILD....OK LEMME GO
Alex, I think you have assumed many things from the Scriptures you refer to and I think this is adding to Scripture. But, that said. I have stated my case to you in my posts and I really do not wish to continue this discussion beyond this reply because I do not think it is fruitful for the cause of Christ. Neither one of us are going to budge on our stance, so we can at this point be at a standstill and exit this discussion. I am happy to discuss with you topics beyond what we have discussed so far. I am sure that you have sound ideas to contribute to discussion on other matters.
Your doctrine that God replicates or multiplies Himself in believers also is not taught in Scripture. The promise to Abraham was that his descendants would be multiplied greatly, not that God would multiply Himself in people. Believers have the Holy Spirit indwelling them. This is such a wonderful privilege and blessing. But having God indwell a person is not the same as God being incarnated in someone. Jesus was God incarnated in humanity, He did not take over an already existing person. He is one Person with two natures, a divine nature that He always existed as, and a human nature that He took onto Himself when He was conceived in Mary's womb. Without the Person of the Son being in the flesh of Jesus, there would be no human person of Jesus.
When the Holy Spirit regenerates us, making our own human spirit come alive, He then dwells in us. But He is never us, and we are never Him. There is only one Father, one Son, and one Holy Spirit who together are the One True God, always have been and always will be thus. God will not share His glory with any other being, nor His divinity, nor His Person. He doesn't divide Himself up among believers nor does He multiply Himself in each believers, especially as you say, by impregnating a human to give birth to a baby Holy Spirit or baby Christ, a new creation. God is not a creation. He creates all things. But anything that is a creature (being) is not divine and never will be a god.
Part 5 REPROBATES
Alex, in your post you seemed to say that anyone who does not believe as you do is a reprobate (which is a morally wicked person and destined for damnation by definition) and certainly not as spiritual as those who think like you. What an awful thing to intimate about those who are brethren here. I have said that your ideas are false teachings and that when you continue to reiterate the same ideas over and over again makes you a false teacher, but I have never questioned your standing before God.
John 10:34-36 says, "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God."
Jesus here was not affirming that the judges spoken of in this quote from Psalm 82 were actually gods, but was being ironic in stating the obvious that these judges were wicked and not gods, but yet the religious leaders would say that He was blaspheming God by saying that He was God's Son. The religious leaders were accepting of what was said in Psalm 82 as the Word of God that came to the writer of the Psalm and that the words of God are not to be set aside, but they were unwilling to accept what Jesus said about Himself, even though they could find no wickedness in Him that would disqualify Him as either speaking for God or from being the Son of God.
Those who quote Psalm 82 to support that men can become gods rarely include the part about these so-called "gods" (judges) were wicked and humans who would die as all men do. This passage in Psalms (and Jesus was alluding to the whole psalm when He quoted part of it) in no way support any doctrine that men can become gods.
To attempt to deify humans inevitably demeans God and brings Him down to the level of humans. Those who teach deification of humans fail to understand that God is so high above anything else in essence, character, power, and glory. If they did they would realize how ludicrous it is to teach that men can become divine. And if one teaches that men become divine but not to the degree of what God is, is to teach that their are different levels of deity and therefore other gods besides the true God, which goes against what God has revealed about his singularity in Scriptures.
Because the teaching of the godhood of humans usurp God's sole position as the only God in all things.
In Isaiah 40:17-18 says, "All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
To whom then will ye liken God? Or what likeness will ye compare unto him?"
Isaiah 46:5, 9 "To whom will ye liken Me; and make Me equal, and compare Me, that we may be like?....For I am God, there is none else, I am God, and there is none like Me."
Psalm 86:8 says, "Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O LORD; neither are there any works like unto thy works."
This is not saying that there actually are truly any other gods, but that none of the idols can compare to God.
God is incomparable to any other being. He created all other beings, so none of these beings is or can become God.
God became man in Jesus, but no man has or every will become God or a god.
Angels and humans are creations of God, they are not a duplicate or reproduction of God. He said He would not make any gods after Him. His essence is unique, (one of a kind) and only the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit possess this essence that marks their divinity as being solely non-communicable to another being. Divinity is innate in God, it cannot be separated from Him, nor can it be acquired from Him by any other being.
Satan thought that He could become like God or equal to God. He tempted Adam and Eve with this same idea. But neither Satan nor Adam and Eve became divine in any way. And neither will we.
Part 3: SOME ARE CALLED "GODS" OR "SONS OF GOD" IN SCRIPTURES
Exodus 7:1 says "And the LORD said to Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharoah: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet."
God was not changing Moses into a god here. He was indicating that Moses was to be God's representative before Pharoah.
Psalm 82:1-6 says "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and needy; rid them out of the hand of the wicked
Part 1 THERE IS BUT ONE GOD-NOW AND EVER
First of all, I would like to establish that there is only one God according to Scripture.
Deut. 4:35 says, "Unto thee it was shewed, that thou mightest know that the LORD he is God, there is none else beside him."
Isaiah 43:10 says ,"Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen; that you may know and believe Me, and understand that I am He; before Me there is no God formed; neither shall there be after Me."
Isaiah 44:6,8 says, "Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, the LORD of Hosts; I am the first and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.....Is there a God beside Me? Yeaw, there is no God, I know not any."
1Corinthians 8:4-6 says,, "...we know that an idol is nothing in this world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there may be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth (as there be gods many and lords many), But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him."
So, the testimony of Scriptures clearly and explicitly states the truth that there is but One God and that no other gods exist beside Him nor will any more gods exist after Him. This is because from eternity to eternity, He is the only God who is self-existent, without beginning or end, and He alone created all things outside of Himself. Any created being is not God nor will ever become a god. Angels will always be angels, humans will always be humans, and God will always be God.
Part 2 THERE IS NO ONE LIKE GOD-HE IS UNIQUE AND ONE OF A KIND
Scripture also says that there is no other being who is like Him in essence, perfection, limitlessness, and infinity.
see next post
Nor have question your level or spirituality. But as it is, I am not at all fazed nor deterred by your estimation of me.
Lastly, I will say that when you continue to put together a cacophony of bits of Scripture ripped out of context mixed with your own erroneous doctrinal ideas and repeatedly post it over and over again, this in no way transforms your false ideas into truth. Nor does doing this repetition offer any sound proofs of your ideas. Your hermeneutics lack logic and correct application of the Scriptures leading to interpretations that are out of sync with Scriptures and common Christian thought.
You may not like it when I say this about your ideas. I can understand that. I enjoy conversing with you on the rare occasions you do not wax into your usual monologue of false ideas. I think that we have much more we can talk about besides this too often repeated narrative of yours. I invite you to discuss other matters of faith besides this with me and others on this site.
All of this is said in love, as I take all of what you say to me is said in love, too. We are brethren, neither of us are reprobates and we have the same Holy Spirit within us to guide us, sanctify us, and change us to become more and more like Jesus in His perfect humanity. This same Spirit can bring us to the unity of the faith. I pray for that whenever I think of you. God bless you tonight.
My hands are getting tired from typing, but not too bad. Glad to be able to use both hands somewhat now.
Just as Jacob's name was changed to Israel... the H.G. which is spirit the 3 RD PERSON is the ISRAEL OF GOD as Isaiah 49 tells us...There is truly gonna be an ISRAEL OF God from that good seed of Christ the word an order of Gods is the Israel of God that is gonna be born in everyman Jew or Gentile...By 1 spirit are we all baptised into the body of Christ Jew or Gentile...By the seed of Christ, That Living word ..God will be born in the hearts of everyman at the last trump...
Only the devil will tell you that man and God will neva be made 1...( There will neva be a marriage making man and God 1 ) I will make a man more precious then Gold...Even the golden wedge of Ophir...Simply b/c mankind is gonna birth a baby Christ the H.G. that Child of Promise...The vert fact that Jesus tells us The Kingdom of God is gona be within us means we are gonna be made 1 with God...impling a marriage to God almighty, i rest my case in Jesus name the bridegroom. impling multiplication TY Jesus.
I did not address the topic of the church being the bride of Christ in my posts. I do believe what the Scriptures say about Jesus being the bridegroom as far as believers being made one in Christ. Being made "one" does not mean we become Jesus, as if our humanity is absorbed into His deity. In a marriage, the two people are unified but still two distinct persons.
In life everlasting, we will be privileged to in union with Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit. We will be glorified with Christ. But the Bible does not teach that a separate new baby Holy Spirit or Christ is birthed in each of us as a result of this union. That is what I addressed in my post as false teaching. God is not multiplied in us, but He dwells in us. We have a human spirit, soul, and body. The Holy Spirit is divine Spirit. He dwells within us without any change to His essence. To be a "baby" Spirit or Christ, as you have said, who cannot yet talk because He is a baby and must grow up, indicates that God in His essence changes, as in He ages in time. This is a false idea that presents God falsely, diminishing Him to the level of a human.
Thank you for your reply.
Isaiah 42:8.
God bless.
Your doctrine that God replicates or multiplies Himself in believers also is not taught in Scripture. The promise to Abraham was that his descendants would be multiplied greatly, not that God would multiply Himself in people. Believers have the Holy Spirit indwelling them. This is such a wonderful privilege and blessing. But having God indwell a person is not the same as God being incarnated in someone. Jesus was God incarnated in humanity, He did not take over an already existing person. He is one Person with two natures, a divine nature that He always existed as, and a human nature that He took onto Himself when He was conceived in Mary's womb. Without the Person of the Son being in the flesh of Jesus, there would be no human person of Jesus.
When the Holy Spirit regenerates us, making our own human spirit come alive, He then dwells in us. But He is never us, and we are never Him. There is only one Father, one Son, and one Holy Spirit who together are the One True God, always have been and always will be thus. God will not share His glory with any other being, nor His divinity, nor His Person. He doesn't divide Himself up among believers nor does He multiply Himself in each believers, especially as you say, by impregnating a human to give birth to a baby Holy Spirit or baby Christ, a new creation. God is not a creation. He creates all things. But anything that is a creature (being) is not divine and never will be a god.
Part 5 REPROBATES
Alex, in your post you seemed to say that anyone who does not believe as you do is a reprobate (which is a morally wicked person and destined for damnation by definition) and certainly not as spiritual as those who think like you. What an awful thing to intimate about those who are brethren here. I have said that your ideas are false teachings and that when you continue to reiterate the same ideas over and over again makes you a false teacher, but I have never questioned your standing before God.
Well stated.!
God bless you.
John 10:34-36 says, "Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods? If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God."
Jesus here was not affirming that the judges spoken of in this quote from Psalm 82 were actually gods, but was being ironic in stating the obvious that these judges were wicked and not gods, but yet the religious leaders would say that He was blaspheming God by saying that He was God's Son. The religious leaders were accepting of what was said in Psalm 82 as the Word of God that came to the writer of the Psalm and that the words of God are not to be set aside, but they were unwilling to accept what Jesus said about Himself, even though they could find no wickedness in Him that would disqualify Him as either speaking for God or from being the Son of God.
Those who quote Psalm 82 to support that men can become gods rarely include the part about these so-called "gods" (judges) were wicked and humans who would die as all men do. This passage in Psalms (and Jesus was alluding to the whole psalm when He quoted part of it) in no way support any doctrine that men can become gods.
To attempt to deify humans inevitably demeans God and brings Him down to the level of humans. Those who teach deification of humans fail to understand that God is so high above anything else in essence, character, power, and glory. If they did they would realize how ludicrous it is to teach that men can become divine. And if one teaches that men become divine but not to the degree of what God is, is to teach that their are different levels of deity and therefore other gods besides the true God, which goes against what God has revealed about his singularity in Scriptures.
Because the teaching of the godhood of humans usurp God's sole position as the only God in all things.
Part 2 continued
In Isaiah 40:17-18 says, "All nations before him are as nothing; and they are counted to him less than nothing, and vanity.
To whom then will ye liken God? Or what likeness will ye compare unto him?"
Isaiah 46:5, 9 "To whom will ye liken Me; and make Me equal, and compare Me, that we may be like?....For I am God, there is none else, I am God, and there is none like Me."
Psalm 86:8 says, "Among the gods there is none like unto thee, O LORD; neither are there any works like unto thy works."
This is not saying that there actually are truly any other gods, but that none of the idols can compare to God.
God is incomparable to any other being. He created all other beings, so none of these beings is or can become God.
God became man in Jesus, but no man has or every will become God or a god.
Angels and humans are creations of God, they are not a duplicate or reproduction of God. He said He would not make any gods after Him. His essence is unique, (one of a kind) and only the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit possess this essence that marks their divinity as being solely non-communicable to another being. Divinity is innate in God, it cannot be separated from Him, nor can it be acquired from Him by any other being.
Satan thought that He could become like God or equal to God. He tempted Adam and Eve with this same idea. But neither Satan nor Adam and Eve became divine in any way. And neither will we.
Part 3: SOME ARE CALLED "GODS" OR "SONS OF GOD" IN SCRIPTURES
Exodus 7:1 says "And the LORD said to Moses, See, I have made thee a god to Pharoah: and Aaron thy brother shall be thy prophet."
God was not changing Moses into a god here. He was indicating that Moses was to be God's representative before Pharoah.
Psalm 82:1-6 says "God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods. How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah. Defend the poor and needy; rid them out of the hand of the wicked
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