Bible Discussion Thread

Does Christ have a God?

Hi Ruby , John chapter 14 is one of the clearest and simplest in the Bible , it explains , in Christ's own words , the relationship between us and Jesus and the Holy One of Israel , it doesn't leave much to interpretation . Like lots of Christians , you and I differ in some of our beliefs and yet also believe some things the same . God will be all in all , is this what you mean when you say that we shall be God's ? We won't be The God of all creation , we shall be like Him , as Jesus is now like Him , God will be all in all , that's pretty plain and clear to me . John chapter 14 , it says it all I think . May God bless us all with eyes to see and ears to hear and open hearts and minds as we journey together towards our promised destination . Love in Christ , from me and mine to you and yours .

Sammi:

We are going to be a god is the exactness of Jesus, not a god in he exactness of the Father.

God Bless You!

Thank you , may God bless you and keep you , peace .

Sammi:

Does Jesus have a GOD?

Yes he does, he says so himself.

Is Jesus a God, Yes he says so himself,

In Jesus the Father; No, he says so himself.

Did Jesus create the world and all things; YES and NO, the Father created all things TROUGH Jesus.

Jesus is the instrument in the hand of his God and Father.

Does Jesus know all things, NO, he says so himself.

Are we the instrument in Jesus hand; Yes, he says so himself.

Was Mosses an instrument in Jesus hand, Yes, and Mosses was given power over Pharaoh.

The Father commanded Jesus to have power and authority over creation, Jesus is a God over creation.

Jesus commands his brethren, as they are translated in to the kingdom, to have power and authority over certain aspects of his kingdom, he makes them gods to certain things, and they rule as a god, and have power as a god.

Exodus 7:1 And the Lord (and God of Moses), said unto Mosses, I (your Lord and God) have made thee a (lord) and god over Pharaoh.

Psalms 136:2 O give thanks unto the God of gods ....

Daniel 2:47 ....that your God is a God of gods .....

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in the Lord Jesus:

Philippians 2:6 Who, being in the form of God, though it not robbery to be equal with God.

Jesus is not the God and Father of ALL, but has ALL the power and authority of his God and Father, and when God his Father tells him what to DO, he does so with ALL power and authority of GOD.

We will do the same thing, in the kingdom, Jesus will give us ALL power and authority of certain things in the kingdom, and we will be a god over what put under us.

This will happen when Jesus resurrects all the dead back to their flesh and the saints judge the earth.

God Bless You.

Ruby , I have read through your answer to me and I can't find anything in it that causes me any problems at all , your post to me is very clear and precise and scriptural , anyone who reads it will have a hard time disagreeing with you . Maybe that is what was all that was needed? A clear explanation . Well you gave it and thankyou so much , I hope everyone else reads it . The only thing that you and I differ on are the resurrections . I believe that the first will be when Christ returns , and the second will be at the end of Christ's millennial reign on earth when the humans who have lived and died during that one thousand years will be resurrected and judged , then comes the end and God will be all in all . Apart from that I cannot disagree with you . I have a J.W. friend , we have many long talks , face to face , and we disagree plenty but we always manage to be respectful and friendly , maybe because we actually look one another in the eye . I think people find it easier to be a bit aggresive when they are not in the same room as the person they are talking to . Hopefully now that you have made yourself very clear , we can all get along a bit better , I do hope so . Thanks for your excellent post / reply to me , we have a lot in common . May God bless you .

Sammi:

Do you believe when your body dies, you will instantly be translated into the presence of God?

The Word preaches a kingdom of God, the Jews were looking for that kingdom and the king of it.

What they fail to see was that that kingdom was going to be without end, therefore it was necessary for death to be abolished.

They missed Christ as their redeemer, because they fail to see the necessity of HIS RESURRECTION,

Christ had to die and be raised to conquer death, so the kingdom could be without end, never ending.

The old had to be made new, and God chose to do away with the Levitical presthood and use the tribe of Judah, to be the new preisthood.

Before he can reinstate the kingdom back on earth, he must assemble all the priest he has called out.

These priest have to be given immortality, so they can serve eternally as priest in the kingdom. The called and chosen were given the gift of immortality by being raise with Christ in his resurrection.

Isaiah 26:19 ...together with my dead body shall they arise ...

Revelation 29:6 Blessed and holy is he who hath part in the first resurrection ....

All this is God's work, man is just the heir, he chooses at random, not out of loving one more than another.

Ezekiel 20:37 And I will cause you to pass under the rod, and I WILL bring you to the bond of the new covenant (immortality)

We have to be created again into the exact likeness of Christ to be a priest in the new kingdom, immortal and no corruption.

This is what the passover in the old coventent implied, blood on the house, and death passed over, we are the house of God, the new temple, in the new kingdom, Christ blood over us causes death to Passover, we are instantly translated into the kingdom, presence of God. This is the millennial reign with Christ, while he gathers the priesthood. It's not literally 1000 years, just the one day, the day of the Lord.

God Bless You as we are given light.

Ruby , I've just discovered the ' Amen ' page of this site , be encouraged ! A lot of your posts are on there ! It would seem that there is a large silent majority and a small but very loud minority . It looks like there are a lot of people out there who do understand what you are saying and because they understand they are not offended . Good news !

Thanks Ruby , again , I agree with everything that you said ,except the last bit . I believe that when I die I stay dead until Christ returns to earth . How ever long I'm in the grave won't matter to me , it will just be an instant as I'm not aware of anything . I do believe that Christ will physically return to earth , resurrect me and judge me , hopefully acceptable , he will then reign , physically , from Jerusalem , over the earth. Humans will live and die during his one thousand year reign , at the end of which there shall be a rebellion against him that will be put down ( satan and his followers cast into the lake of fire ) the last enemy to be destroyed will be death as the final resurrection takes place , those that died during the one thousand year reign and the humans that are alive and didn't take part in the rebellion , they will all be translated and God will be all in all , no more sinful flesh at all , all things made new and the earth shall be filled with the glory or the LORD for ever . Those are my beliefs very quickly typed . Thank you for listening and thank you so much for sharing . I like to emphasize the things that we have in common , which if we would all talk about those things , would be very uplifting to us all in these miserable last days , talking about our collective hope is much more edifying than banging on about our differences , I guess some people like an arguement more than others do . I don't enjoy arguing and tend to shy away from those who I think might be looking for negatives to dwell on rather than the positives . It's good to talk to you without fear of it getting nasty . Much love in Christ .

Dear Ruby Lea,

In the context you seem to be given here, that we will be a god over what is given to us to rule over, then that is consistent with the language of the Scriptures in that what is meant by the world "god" in such a context refers to a ruler or one in authority. It does not imply true deity, as only the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit have true deity and alone are the One True God who is incomparable to any other being, not only because all other beings are created by Him, but that His Being is vastly different than any being He created.

Within the context of what you have stated, it could be said that a father or mother are "gods" over their children because they have God given authority over their children. And a president or king could be considered a "god" over those they whom they govern. But we must not mix together the Godhood of Jesus to be anything likened to these "gods" as He is both Truly God and truly man in one person. Any so called "god" on earth is merely human through and through, and any power or authority in the heavenly realm, be it angels or other celestial beings are "gods" in that they have delegated power and authority from God, but are strictly a created member of the heavenly hosts.

I assert in my posts that Scripture teaches that there is only one God who is truly divine, never created, infinite in His Being in every way, perfect and complete in every aspect about Himself without drawing from anything outside of Himself, self-sustaining, self-sufficient, and self-satisfied within Himself. He alone is eternal from everlasting to everlasting. He alone is the Sovereign of all things, excluding any other being as God. He alone is the one we worship and serve.

GiGi:

In the Hebrew there is no Capital G: God

god and all gods are lower case, translators put in the capital letter.

The Father is the god, all else are a god, you know which is which by the articles; the and a.

Jesus is a god, Jesus says he's is not the father, but was a god sent by the Father.

If you study the Psalms and understand it is Christ speaking and not David you will have better understanding.

2 Samuel 23:1-2

Read Psalms 69 with the understanding it is Jesus speaking, NOT DAVID.

The whole bible are the WORDS OF GOD, not the words of the man that set those words to paper.

God Bless YOU!