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There are different religions extant which teach that Godhood is a graduated experience (God was once man) and that man can actually attain the level of Godhood. The number of religions which teach this is increasing as more polytheistic, Eastern religions are being introduced to America. Joseph Smith (founder of Mormonism) taught the following:
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens...I say, if you were to see him to-day, you would see him like a man in form -- like yourselves, in all the person, image, and very form as a man....it is necessary that we should understand the character and being of God, and how he came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the veil, so that you may see....and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3).
Verses used to teach man can become God. The apostle Peter wrote of being "partakers of the divine nature" ( 2 Pet. 1: 4). A careful study of the text reveals the apostle is teaching that we are to acquire traits of God, such as "godliness," "virtue,", etc. (vs. 5-11). Indeed, we are to be Godlike and partake of the divine nature in this sense. Jesus used the word god in an accommodative sense in John 10: 34, 35. "God," as used in John 10 and Psalms 82: 6, is applied to superior people, rulers. Jesus, however, is not teaching that these rulers had become God as God is God.
The attributes of God. While the scriptures teach that God's people are to progressively become more Godlike in character, they do not teach that they will or can become God in the essential traits and elements which constitute deity. God is self-existent ( Jn. 5: 26), enjoys eternality ( Rom. 1: 20), has unlimited power ( Matt. 19: 26), infinite knowledge ( Acts 2: 23, 15: 18), absolute holiness, and truthfulness ( I Jn. 1: 5, Heb. 6: 18). Moreover, God has creative power ( Rom. 11: 36). To teach graduated Godhead, there must of necessity be the attendant teaching of polytheism or many gods. Again, we quote Joseph Smith:
"Hence, the doctrine of a plurality of Gods is as prominent in the Bible as any other doctrine. It is all over the face of the Bible . . . Paul says there are Gods many and Lords many . . . but to us there is but one God--that is pertaining to us; and he is in all and through all" (History of the Church, Vol. 6, page 474). "In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5).
Beloved, the scriptures teach and affirm there is only one God ( Deut. 4: 35-39). The state of Godhead, being God, consists of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit ( Rom. 1: 7, Heb. 1: 8, Acts 5: 4, 5). God declared: "that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me" ( Isa. 43: 10). Before God, there was no God. After God there shall be no God formed. Hence, man cannot so develop and graduate as to become God himself.
AGAIN!
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, NEITHER SHALL THERE BE AFTER ME.
Thank you S. Spencer for the article you posted and for your thoughts about this dangerous and damning false doctrine.
It is dangerous because it will cause people who believe it to believe falsely about God's' divinity and character. It is damning because those who believe it are committing the same sin as Satan did in thinking he could attain to be equal with God and even usurp Him. He will never be forgiven for this sin. There is no grace for Satan. He is forever damned. How can anyone think that God will not deal with humans who persist in the same sin any differently than He deals with Satan.
As to the article on theosis, it was very informative concerning this doctrine that has been re-affirmed over and over again through the centuries. I agree with it. Our theosis is by association with Jesus through grace. We partake of the divine nature through our union with Christ. We never change our substance as humans and become divine. But, by the sanctifying grace of God through the Holy Spirit in us, we become more and more perfected humanity, like that of Jesus' humanity, with the end goal being the attainment of the highest degree of Christlikeness possible for a human to become. We'll become perfected humanity in the resurrection. But we will not have any divinity in our nature. Divinity belongs wholly and solely to God and Him alone.
As believers we should greatly desire to be the most like Jesus as is possible, on the one hand, but on the other hand, we should be humble and realize that God is so different and so unlike us that we can only apprehend Him through Jesus. We definitely NOT desire to be gods. That comes from pride, the same pride that caused Satan to fall from his high position in heaven as a created being. He will occupy the lowest position in all of creation in the lake of fire. Those who think like him will join him there, also.
You are absolutely right when you say "How can anyone think that God will not deal with humans who persist in the same sin any differently than He deals with Satan".
Well this group also says "There is no Satan! and there is no Hell!
Every verse in scripture that makes a sinner cry out for salvation they falsely spiritualize the threat right out the text causing no need for repentance.
I just point these things out from time to time to let the newcomers know the craftiness of their plot and we all don't hold those views.
Romans 16:17 tells us to mark these that causes division.
"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them".
These false teachers permitted by God to manifest who's his and who's not. as seen here in 1 Corinthians 11:19.
"For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you."
It is clear from our past interactions with those who continue to contend that we will achieve godhood along with other heresies related to this prideful, Satan inspired doctrine, they are will not (as of yet) repent of their false belief and recant. But, as you, I post responses now and then for the sake of those newcomers to this forum or those new in faith. It is very important, especially on a site such as this forum, for true doctrine to be presented regularly with Biblical support. And those who concur with those who present correct doctrine to reply that they are in agreement, as many as possible. We should be a united front against such terribly wrong doctrine as this "little gods" false teaching.
I don't think that many people really realize just how much was lost in the fall of Adam. To go from an altogether righteous and holy nature to change to a thoroughly, all-encompassing sinful nature that is passed to every person conceived is a huge loss as well as an almost unfathomable distance sin placed between God and mankind. Most people think that they are just a "little bit sinful" in relation to God. They do not realize that His infinite holiness and purity and perfection is something we can never compare ourselves to as there is no close comparison whatsoever.
For people to think that people in this life who are sinful even if saved can "be in the same class as God" as some who hold this distorted, wicked tenet say, we diminish our view of this aspect of God's complete perfection that is beyond what we can ever fully grasp even when we are resurrected and made perfect in our humanity. The gulf between God's perfection as deity and the perfection of our humanity in the life to come is immense. We dishonor God when we minimize this difference and especially dishonor Him when we attribute godhood to our present sinful selves. How sinful is that!
But we can know that we will be facing this narrative again and again. We are prayerful
GBU GiGi and Spencer i love ya....But what you are telling me is mankind will neva be married to God....But thats how man will become God...As Ephsians 5:30 tells us we are gonna be married to God ...Christ...Bone of his bone and flesh of his flesh...You guys are not thinking about the marriage ...A marriage is when 2 are made 1...Thats y the sower will go forth to sow his precious seed in us, that we might birth a new Innerman which are the Children of Promise the H.G. We are gonna be made 1 with God....Don't ya remember his prayer in John 17....Father make them 1 as we are 1...The marriage... from Gen to Rev...If ya had the H.G. you cd see this truth.
God Almighty was so passionate about this multiplication of Christ ... Gen. 22:17..( Jesus is God the son ) that he swore by his very self....And thats y the sower of the good seed wants to sow his precious seed in the hearts of humanity....The field being the world...Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the Word came it made them Gods....And the scripture cannot be broken....Like GiGi and Spencer is trying to do.. they cannot help it b/c these things are hid from the wise and prudent but revealed unto babes...Which is mankinds fruit unto God...The very reason the woman is giving birth in Rev 12:5 is b/c of the Sower and his seed...The Kingdom of God does not come till the woman gives birth to the Children.
When Jesus was born it was the multiplication of God in Mary...God was the fruit of her womb. He always refers to himself as the son of man is indicative that mankind is gona birth a baby Christ....Thats y he is saying unless you receive the Kingdon of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...Remember Jesus said that which is born of the spirit tis spirit...Thats the H.G. the Children of Promise....The multiplication of very God in humanity...REMEMBER GOD SWORE BY HIMSELF THAT Christ was gonna be multiplied....Remember Jesus said blessed are them that follow me in the Regeneration...God 1 with Man
Part 1.
There are different religions extant which teach that Godhood is a graduated experience (God was once man) and that man can actually attain the level of Godhood. The number of religions which teach this is increasing as more polytheistic, Eastern religions are being introduced to America. Joseph Smith (founder of Mormonism) taught the following:
"God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted Man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens...I say, if you were to see him to-day, you would see him like a man in form -- like yourselves, in all the person, image, and very form as a man....it is necessary that we should understand the character and being of God, and how he came to be so; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea, and will take away and do away the veil, so that you may see....and that he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3).
Verses used to teach man can become God. The apostle Peter wrote of being "partakers of the divine nature" ( 2 Pet. 1: 4). A careful study of the text reveals the apostle is teaching that we are to acquire traits of God, such as "godliness," "virtue,", etc. (vs. 5-11). Indeed, we are to be Godlike and partake of the divine nature in this sense. Jesus used the word god in an accommodative sense in John 10: 34, 35. "God," as used in John 10 and Psalms 82: 6, is applied to superior people, rulers. Jesus, however, is not teaching that these rulers had become God as God is God.
See Part 2.
Part 2 and final.
The attributes of God. While the scriptures teach that God's people are to progressively become more Godlike in character, they do not teach that they will or can become God in the essential traits and elements which constitute deity. God is self-existent ( Jn. 5: 26), enjoys eternality ( Rom. 1: 20), has unlimited power ( Matt. 19: 26), infinite knowledge ( Acts 2: 23, 15: 18), absolute holiness, and truthfulness ( I Jn. 1: 5, Heb. 6: 18). Moreover, God has creative power ( Rom. 11: 36). To teach graduated Godhead, there must of necessity be the attendant teaching of polytheism or many gods. Again, we quote Joseph Smith:
"Hence, the doctrine of a plurality of Gods is as prominent in the Bible as any other doctrine. It is all over the face of the Bible . . . Paul says there are Gods many and Lords many . . . but to us there is but one God--that is pertaining to us; and he is in all and through all" (History of the Church, Vol. 6, page 474). "In the beginning, the head of the Gods called a council of the Gods; and they came together and concocted a plan to create the world and people it." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 5).
Beloved, the scriptures teach and affirm there is only one God ( Deut. 4: 35-39). The state of Godhead, being God, consists of the Father, Son, and the Holy Spirit ( Rom. 1: 7, Heb. 1: 8, Acts 5: 4, 5). God declared: "that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me" ( Isa. 43: 10). Before God, there was no God. After God there shall be no God formed. Hence, man cannot so develop and graduate as to become God himself.
AGAIN!
Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, NEITHER SHALL THERE BE AFTER ME.
NETHER SHALL THERE BE AFTER ME!
GOD BLESS.
It is dangerous because it will cause people who believe it to believe falsely about God's' divinity and character. It is damning because those who believe it are committing the same sin as Satan did in thinking he could attain to be equal with God and even usurp Him. He will never be forgiven for this sin. There is no grace for Satan. He is forever damned. How can anyone think that God will not deal with humans who persist in the same sin any differently than He deals with Satan.
As to the article on theosis, it was very informative concerning this doctrine that has been re-affirmed over and over again through the centuries. I agree with it. Our theosis is by association with Jesus through grace. We partake of the divine nature through our union with Christ. We never change our substance as humans and become divine. But, by the sanctifying grace of God through the Holy Spirit in us, we become more and more perfected humanity, like that of Jesus' humanity, with the end goal being the attainment of the highest degree of Christlikeness possible for a human to become. We'll become perfected humanity in the resurrection. But we will not have any divinity in our nature. Divinity belongs wholly and solely to God and Him alone.
As believers we should greatly desire to be the most like Jesus as is possible, on the one hand, but on the other hand, we should be humble and realize that God is so different and so unlike us that we can only apprehend Him through Jesus. We definitely NOT desire to be gods. That comes from pride, the same pride that caused Satan to fall from his high position in heaven as a created being. He will occupy the lowest position in all of creation in the lake of fire. Those who think like him will join him there, also.
You are absolutely right when you say "How can anyone think that God will not deal with humans who persist in the same sin any differently than He deals with Satan".
Well this group also says "There is no Satan! and there is no Hell!
Every verse in scripture that makes a sinner cry out for salvation they falsely spiritualize the threat right out the text causing no need for repentance.
I just point these things out from time to time to let the newcomers know the craftiness of their plot and we all don't hold those views.
Romans 16:17 tells us to mark these that causes division.
"Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them".
These false teachers permitted by God to manifest who's his and who's not. as seen here in 1 Corinthians 11:19.
"For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you."
God bless.
It is clear from our past interactions with those who continue to contend that we will achieve godhood along with other heresies related to this prideful, Satan inspired doctrine, they are will not (as of yet) repent of their false belief and recant. But, as you, I post responses now and then for the sake of those newcomers to this forum or those new in faith. It is very important, especially on a site such as this forum, for true doctrine to be presented regularly with Biblical support. And those who concur with those who present correct doctrine to reply that they are in agreement, as many as possible. We should be a united front against such terribly wrong doctrine as this "little gods" false teaching.
I don't think that many people really realize just how much was lost in the fall of Adam. To go from an altogether righteous and holy nature to change to a thoroughly, all-encompassing sinful nature that is passed to every person conceived is a huge loss as well as an almost unfathomable distance sin placed between God and mankind. Most people think that they are just a "little bit sinful" in relation to God. They do not realize that His infinite holiness and purity and perfection is something we can never compare ourselves to as there is no close comparison whatsoever.
For people to think that people in this life who are sinful even if saved can "be in the same class as God" as some who hold this distorted, wicked tenet say, we diminish our view of this aspect of God's complete perfection that is beyond what we can ever fully grasp even when we are resurrected and made perfect in our humanity. The gulf between God's perfection as deity and the perfection of our humanity in the life to come is immense. We dishonor God when we minimize this difference and especially dishonor Him when we attribute godhood to our present sinful selves. How sinful is that!
But we can know that we will be facing this narrative again and again. We are prayerful
God Almighty was so passionate about this multiplication of Christ ... Gen. 22:17..( Jesus is God the son ) that he swore by his very self....And thats y the sower of the good seed wants to sow his precious seed in the hearts of humanity....The field being the world...Thats y Jesus is saying to whom the Word came it made them Gods....And the scripture cannot be broken....Like GiGi and Spencer is trying to do.. they cannot help it b/c these things are hid from the wise and prudent but revealed unto babes...Which is mankinds fruit unto God...The very reason the woman is giving birth in Rev 12:5 is b/c of the Sower and his seed...The Kingdom of God does not come till the woman gives birth to the Children.
When Jesus was born it was the multiplication of God in Mary...God was the fruit of her womb. He always refers to himself as the son of man is indicative that mankind is gona birth a baby Christ....Thats y he is saying unless you receive the Kingdon of God as a lil Child you will in no wise enter there in...Remember Jesus said that which is born of the spirit tis spirit...Thats the H.G. the Children of Promise....The multiplication of very God in humanity...REMEMBER GOD SWORE BY HIMSELF THAT Christ was gonna be multiplied....Remember Jesus said blessed are them that follow me in the Regeneration...God 1 with Man
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