Actually the bible does teach that all will be saved in Jeremiah 31:34....This New Covenant is all inclusive....Not like the old covenant ...I will KNOW them all from the least to the greatest...This KNOW them all is an intimacy with humanity resulting in a birth of Christ in everyone....And Isaiah saw this intimacy this KNOWLEDGE with humanity as the waters of God covering the earth as the waters covering the seas....The seas imply humanity thats everybody....If i be lifted up (The blood) of that NEW COVENANT I will draw ALL men unto me.... 1st Cor 15:28...All thing are gonna be subject to Christ and God will be ALL in ALL
...And this is the reason that Jeremiah saw ALL men in travail and birth pains Jeremiah 30:6...Everybody is gonna be bornagain in the end....27 times the prophets saw this world in travail and birth pains....Thus the whole creation waits for the manifestation of the sons of God....The Children of Promise... the remnant of his brethren...an Israel of God...The babes and sucklings that are gonna be born to humanity via his precious seed ...Simply b/c that GREAT PROMISE was that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of Heaven...This New Covenant is All inclusive...Thats y John saw a number that no man cd number standing b/f the throne of God...clothed with white raiment...They were all washed in the blood of the lamb....
......When he fed the multitudes he didn't cull not 1 single one of them...he fed them all with a childs lunch the Child being symblolic of the H.G....The manchild that is gona rule ALL NATIONS with his rod of iron....Not only did Moses rule all Israel but he fed all Israel with his glorious Rod...We gotta keep in mind that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us...Thats indicative of everybody... Romans 10:20 And i was found of them that sought me NOT and made manifest unto them that asked NOT after me...Thats indicative of everybody...If i be lifted up I will draw all men unto me...The lords arm is not too short to save ALL
When I reply to someone I press on the reply icon in that individual's post. Perhaps this is an incorrect procedure? Nevertheless, is it not obvious when I begin my reply "Hi Adam", that I'm primarily responding to "Adam" and of course to anyone else who has the free will to read it? As I review this thread, I don't see any of my replies addressed to "Alex". Nor did I intend to. Again, it would be helpful, as I AND GiGi have friendly suggested, to address specifically who one is primarily responding to, so that there is no confusion.
Also, please consider your recent reply to me. You said, "And yes, when someone signs their name at the bottom that has the word God in it as if they might be associating themselves with God or claim they are a deity, that seems very risky and worth mentioning." Personally I don't see this to be true. When I say "GOD IS", I have no intention of MEANING "from me, God". How absurd. By the way, in this thread alone you twice ended with "God bless' and once with "God be with you". I don't perceive this at all meaning that you are insinuating you are God or a god of some sort. But it seems as though you do. You may want to reconsider.
It is the Holy SPIRIT that perceives my heart and motives. That's all I need to be concerned with; not anyone else's. It is not MY function to judge the hearts of others. I will never find freedom in that. If I imprison the Christ in anyone, I do so to myself,and would be my own jailer. Who is Christ, except God's Son as He created Him. And what are you, except the Christ in you. Nothing else. What a release and joy it is to see ONLY the Christ in YOU; and even Hitler, Mao, and Stalin. You can appreciate the Sonship only as One, because God is One. This is the Vision of Christ.
Is it not obvious I did choose to address your response to me? My post began with "Hi Adam." I always begin my replies by addressing the name of the person I'm intending the response towards. It appears you said, "Hello, I see you (me, I think) chose not to respond to my post to you," Only an hour after your response to me! I do have other obligations other than responding and commenting on this site. I'm sure you understand.
Additionally, I have no idea what you are saying about calling myself "one name" and then signing off having the name of "God" in it. If someone ends their post with "blessings" or "peace", etc., do you take it as "that" being their name? I'm baffled. Does ending my posts with "GOD IS" offend you? I prefer to think it doesn't, but I'm not sure. Just to be sure you don't think I use a different call name other than "One eighty", I promise in the presence of the Holy Spirit, I don't. I won't, unless I inform others I have changed the name.
Respectfully, I would ask others on this site that we would always address others by their call name when REPLYING so as not to cause confusion as to whom they are specifically speaking to. For example, I'm not sure who Mel8 was specifically addressing her comments/replies on this particular thread.
You said,"I (meaning you) didn't follow much of what you (I) wrote." and, "You (I) said let's return to your post, but you responded to someone else." Adam, I clearly addressed it to you, "Adam". I'm sorry you didn't follow it, yet I agreed with your assessment of opposites with gladness.
If some of my points SEEMED inaccurate to you or lacked clarity in my intent or point, perhaps it's because you're in denial of the obviousness in what I stated. I'll try again: God is Life. This is true. Thus, it is false He is death. Death MUST result from "satan", who is false. Both cannot be an effect of both sources. Nether SOURCE can have ANYTHING in common. Can I be clearer?
It appears that those you're replying to are not the ones you intent to be writing to. In this case you replied to Alex1900, not me so I didn't get any notification but I just happened to check and notice. Are we now on the same page on that point?
And yes, when someone signs their name at the bottom that has the word God in it as if they might be associating themselves with God or claim they are a deity, that seems very risky and worth mentioning. God knows your heart and motives. Have a nice day.
Yes, lies do originate from satan and wants people to be deceived, as you say. He does wrap lies up in clever fallacies and false assumptions. What better way to deceive than to cleverly wrap opposites in which one must be false and the other true and attribute it to a single source, specifically God. Are you going to deny God is Love? Of course not. Surely the statement must be true and come from God. Are you willing to push the OPPOSITE of truth which is fear and hate which are synonymous, onto God? It appears so. Yet, you yourself said that to do so is satan's signature!
If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if God OPPOSES Himself and is divided , He cannot stand. His end has has come. Impossible. A divided mind cannot communicate. Satan is divided. God is One; If one is real, the other must be false. God is Spirit. Flesh is of an opposing false source; there is no compromise between the two OPPOSITES, one being real, the other false. Imperfection is from satan. God creates only holiness; for what is real always denies its OPPOSITE, making the opposite non-existent. God is consistent. Satan non- consistent; The truth of what is from God always makes the falsity of its opposite perfectly clear. Need I go on?
Love is incapable of any exceptions. Only if there is fear does the idea of exceptions seem to be meaningful. Exceptions are fearful because they are made by fear. Not God. Not Love.
Yes, to believe opposites can coexist does sound exactly what Satan would say.
And no, I don't need God' grace. I already have it, just as you do.
By grace I live.
By grace I am released.
By grace I give.
By grace I will release.
Grace is God's Answer to all despair, for in it lies the remembrance of His Love. Would He not give the means by which His Will is recognized?
What you are saying about opposing ideas as one being real and the other not is very similar to Gnostic thought. Perhaps you might read about this and see if you indeed align with their ideas that spirit is real (and good) and matter/flesh is not real or good.
Gnosticism has been refuted and rejected within the church since the days of the apostles.
Please know that I continue to pray for you and many others on this site as well as for myself, that we will all come to know what is really true about God, His Word, and eternal plan so that we can mature in faith and worship Him truly by the Holy Spirit's guidance. I pray that we are given strength to walk in obedience and love for His will.
I would venture to say there are ideas in Gnosticism which have commonality with most religious faiths, including Christianity. Yet, i'm not an authority on this type of study. I'm confident that you have better understanding regarding this than I or most of us on this site, at the present time.
My goal is to pursue, understand and have the Vision of Christ, realizing I can only obtain this by listening to the Voice for God whether it be through Jesus or my brothers and sisters whom God created. Honestly, it matters not to me what symbol others want to pin on my thought system. My only concern is that it evolves into perfect love for my Heavenly Father, Jesus, my self and you. I've realized for myself that if it expresses fear, hate, harm, any form of unforgiveness, condemnation, damnation, guilt, etc.,
then it obscures the light, peace and love in which I was created for such purpose. Not one poor soul will convince me that my Creator created me and you for any other purpose or that there is anything that exists or doesn't exist that can usurp His power to keep any of us safe. These are the words He silently, peacefully and ever so patiently speaks to my mind. I am no longer afraid of God, as I was for most of my days on this earth. I'm at the point where I can no longer deny His call to teach only Love. I still stumble, but I'm learning of my free will to allow Him to pick me up. I would have never before thought how easy that would become for a child who was wandering in such deep darkness and depression. It just keeps getting better.
A lot of things the Word of God teaches, is refuted by the church, what do you think the woman that rides the beast with the mind of a whore means.
That why one has to study and let the Spirit teach.
Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have DECEIVED that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and DESTROY HIM (the carnal mind, which is deceived) from among the the midst of my people.
WE are a NEW CREATION, LIFE by the SPIRIT, Spirit (LIFE) cannot be destroyed or die, only the CARNAL MIND can; and MUST, to be DESTROYED.
I am not sure why you have asked me the question you did in this post. I don't really have a sure idea about the woman on the beast, to be honest. So, until I am more sure, I don't care to comment.
Concerning the consistent refutation and rejection of Gnosticism in the church, I believe this is one they got right. Gnosticism in the early church times saw the spirit as good and the flesh as evil, so they could not believe that Jesus actually took on flesh to save us. And so they believed that one is saved by receiving "higher knowledge" (gnosis) not from the Scriptures, but from spiritual experiences.
1 John 4:3 says that those who say that Jesus did not come in a flesh and blood body is antichrist.
The church over the centuries have consistently attested that Jesus is the only Savior. This is also correct.
The church over the centuries have consistently believed that Jesus was born of a virgin and conceived by the Holy Spirit, and that is correct according to Scriptures, too.
I could go on and on, but these few can demonstrate my point. I have more trust in the witness of the church concerning how to interpret the Bible that those who believe that they themselves can interpret by themselves alone the meaning of Scriptures, supposedly by the Holy Spirit. The heart is deceptive. That is why we need the witness of others.
For the record, I do not take the opinion of another concerning their own private interpretation of Scripture as valid on face value. I usually find that those who denounce the witness of the church over the centuries believe many false ideas about what Scripture means.
But thank you for responding. I always appreciate that.
I don't think there is but a FEW ON THIS FORUM that think THEY INTERPRET the scriptures, but rely on the SPIRIT for interpretation.
Those FEW: rely on the doctrines of their church for interpretation. I think you spend more time reading the doctrines of the church, than seeking the HIDDEN truths of scripture. How many hours every day do you spend in studying the prophesies, how are you going to understand the NEW, if you don't know what was prophesied. Without studying Ezekiel, Isaiah, Daniel, and all the others, you can't understand the third that are killed in the lake of fire in Revelation, by the brimstone (symbolic), being the word's that come out of God's mouth, just as the two edged sword (is a symbol of the words) that comes out of his mouth. God's word are JUDGEMENT, by rightfully dividing those words, we are judged by his words, and if your are judged NOW by those words, you want be judged with the WORLD:
1 Corinthians 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves (NOW by God's words), we should not be judged.
At the second resurrection (when the kingdom is back on the earth) you are either going to be a JUDGE, or your going to BE JUDGED.
Paul was one of the last to pen God's word; He SAID, after I am gone grievous wolves shall come in and deceive the church, you don't believe that those (in the church) after Paul departed; deceived, through their doctrines, the church, even though John, who wrote after Paul, wrote by the Spirit of God those word's in REVELATION, Satan, who has deceived the WHOLE WORLD.
Who is Revelation written to: THE CHURCH, the WOMAN riding the beast, with the mind of a whore, is God's CHURCH, and Christ said come out of her my people and let this mind (the word's of God) be IN YOU as it was in CHRIST JESUS.
Look at all the things Christ wrote to the seven churches to COME OUT OF.
This is written IN LOVE, I hope you take it as that.
Dear Ruby, you are wrong about me. I have studied the Bible all of my life, starting when I was nine. I have only had a computer for about two years in which I can study many topics. I love the Scriptures. I know that God does help us to understand the Scriptures, but I am aware enough to know that our carnal nature can distort what the Spirit brings to us. I am not foolish enough to think that what I understand is 100% accurate.
But anyways, Ruby, I would appreciate if you will not evaluate me and my relationship with God and His Word so negatively. You do not know me and I do not know you. We can judge what we speak concerning the word, but not whether one is doing things rightly in their private relationship with God. Your comments about me give off an air of superiority. Even if you say you mean well, (and I believe you) how you described me was offensive.
I am not questioning you relationship for God, I can see your love for God and I know his love for you and all mankind.
I was trying to make you understand how we can get bullheaded about the doctrines of the church and not repent of the doctrines that oppose God's word.
I saw this in my on mother, we would study the bible and be discussing certain scriptures and I would say the scriptures are saying thus and thus and she would always respond, well the church says it doesn't mean that, I will stay with the churches doctrines, the pastor says it doesn't mean that, I will believe what the pastor says.
She went to her grave for the doctrines of the church rather than repenting of those doctrines and believing God's words.
I know she loved God also, and God loved her, and she is saved as you are saved, she just never matured in the word.
I want bring this up anymore, it's between you and God, and his work.
I never meant any of my words as any condemnation; your not condemned, but loved.
I will fall back on what Paul said:
Philippians 1:18 What now? notwithstanding, either way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, and will rejoice.
Thanks for explaining you viewpoint more. I don't think I need to repent of any doctrines that have been long held by the church as long as they align with Scriptures. The body of Christ is a communion going back to the first Christians.
There have been so much input along the way from so many different believers over the centuries. What I value is the consistent message of the faith passed down since the apostles. Those alive today are part of those who share this message as well.
If you don't wish to look back at those contributions, that is your prerogative.
Considering the thoughts of those on this forum is the same as considering what has been spoken through the centuries. We should always compare what we hear or read to Scriptures.
None of us have perfect doctrine nor do we interpret Scripture perfectly even as the Spirit helps us. We are all fallible. But we are journeying closer and closer to the Truth, who is Jesus, and we become more an more like him.
Ruby, I don't mind exchanging ideas with people here. It is very helpful to me. But I do not criticize people who gain understanding from teachers such as pastors, evangelists, writers (past or present). So I don't think it is appropriate to call out someone who seeks information in places other than Scripture. We all do that in some way or another. But some, like you, on this forum have a real negative bias against the witness of the church through the centuries and those writers who struggled with spiritual matters and presented their findings in writing.
Anyway, we do not need to discuss this further unless you again call me out for gaining insight from researching. I do not need to repent of this and you are wrong for assuming I am stubborn-minded, as you implied. And I do not think it is your job to get make me understand. God is at work in me as He is in you. We will come to the full measure of truth as God leads us in the way He feels is best.
Hello, it seems you chose not to respond to my post to you.
In this one you call yourself one name, then sign off with a name having "God" in it. I'm not sure if you intend to call yourself God, but it seems close to that. That's not something I'd expect to see from a Bible believing Christian.
I didn't follow much of what you wrote. You said let's return to your post, but you responded to someone else. Some of your quotes seemed inaccurate, adding to the lack of clarity of what your intent or point was.
I see that you clarified your statement in claiming you don't need God's grace by saying because you believe you already have it.
I personally don't believe grace is fully realized until judgment day after this life which scripture says we all must face. Matthew 12:36 and 2 Corinthians 5:10. It seems popular for people to claim that they're saved and don't need to do anything else. Besides the obvious risks previously mentioned, I don't know of any scripture in the Bible saying you're immediately saved and done. I see several verses saying it in the future tense, however.
Examples:
1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." Does this say salvation will be revealed NOW, or in the last time?
1 Cor 9:24-27 "run the race", not the 'race was already won.'
Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." Does this say he does NOT have to endure, because you're already saved? Or does it say you're saved NOW, so you don't need to endure? Or does it say what it says: "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
Hebrews 10:36 "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."
Does this say you DON'T need patience, because you're already saved? Or the opposite?
Do you have any examples of scripture saying you're saved now and won't face judgment day like it says all will face?
I get what you are saying . I always read your posts and understand them . Maybe it's just me but you almost always come across as very aggressive , provocative and contentious . Perhaps you honestly don't realise how you sound ? Or maybe I'm oversensitive ? Possibly a bit of both ? In my opinion you run the risk of allienating people from reading your posts because you sound so aggressive . I'm sorry if I have offended you but I felt the need to say this to you in case you didn't realise how you come across and what effect on others your attitude has . You are obviously a devoted Christian , would you speak to any of the apostles the way you speak to some people on here ? I don't believe that you would so why do you think that it's ok to speak to other Christians in such a contentious way ? Christ hears you but he is also aware of how your attitude affects others , his followers whom he loves , he sees them and knows how they feel after you have posted to them , you don't see how your attitude affects others but your Saviour does .
I wish to defend Adam from your assessment of him. He is passionate about the truth, that is not an aggressive trait. He is willing to defend the truth firmly, that is what Paul did in his letters and conversations with others. Adam is discerning about error. That is a good thing. He is courageous enough to speak plainly to the error he reads on this forum. That is an admirable trait.
There are many on this forum that believe we should all just get along. But that is only if we are in harmony with the word of God. I understand that some may be disturbed and offended by those of us who speak in an outright manner. But please remember tat there are those of us who are disturbed and offended by the promulgation of error and the dishonoring of God in these errors just as much as those who are upset by forthright refutation of error.
Mel8, it is good to be kind and loving to brothers and sisters in Christ on this forum. But that does not mean that refuting error is unkind or unloving to others here. Adam consistently represents Bible teachings in a truthful way. We all can learn much from him. This is a forum for discussion of Scriptural topics. One cannot expect that everyone will simply be milk-toast and tolerant of views that contradict Scriptural truth in order to be non-offensive. I hope you can understand this point of view as I do understand yours.
Why do you assume the ones teaching on this forum; and those teaching, refute the doctrine of the church, are in error, and not the church being in error.
That's a stretch:
Isaiah 6:8 And I (Christ, he is the WORD(s) that are written) heard the voice of the LORD (my Father) saying, Whom shall I (the Father) SEND? and who will go for us? Then said I (Christ), here am I, SEND ME.
Isaiah 6:9 And he (the father) said, Go (Christ), and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, BUT UNDERSTAND NOT, and see ye indeed, and PERCEIVE.
Matthew 13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they UNDERSTAND.
Most in the church will tell you the WORD is not a parable, nor believe it is a parable, so why do you think their doctrines are correct, when they don't believe the WORDS OF GOD.
God sent Jesus to be the saviour of the world, and his RESURRECTION saved the world, the church doesn't believe this, you have said yourself most go to hell,:there is going to be a kingdom, back on this earth, when God raises the UNBELIEVERS (even Satan believes there is a God, he just doesn't believe the WORDS of GOD) back to their flesh, and they will bow and confess GOD'S WORDS ARE TRUTH.
You don't believe you fall into this pigeon hole, because you believe the DOCTRINES of man instead of God's words, Revelation SAYS: Satan who deceives the WHOLE WORLD; this includes his church, you don't believe the church is deceive, can you point to the time God caused you to SEE this deception. Until you AGREE with God, that you and I and everyone one else has been deceive, and ASK God to open your eyes and HIM CAUSE you to see, you will be among those spoken of in John:
John 9:41 Jesus is saying unto YOU: If you were blind you would have NO SIN: but now you say I SEE (you day, I haven't been deceived) therefore YOUR SIN REMAINETH.
Let's return to your post in which I originally responded to. Your question in the first paragraph: "Is it likely that God wants you to defy him and do the opposite of what He says, or is it more likely that satan wants that? This sounds exactly like what satan would say." I agree.
By your question and following statement, I'm confident that what you believe God says or wants is true, and is the opposite of what "satan" says or wants, which of course would be false. I agree. And based on this, the following is also true: truth cannot have an opposite, for if what is true is not true as well as what is true, then part of truth is false, and truth has lost its meaning. Nothing but the truth is true and what is false is false. Also, some synonyms for "false": unreal, lies, untrue, illusion, fake, phony, non-existent, drama, fantasy, dreams, etc. - definitely not from God.
Your second paragraph; last sentence: "Satan's signature is usually on pushing opposites of the truth, starting from the garden of eden." Once again, I agree.
So, let us start with the Garden of Eden myth where someone made a tree to grow out of the ground smack dab in the middle of the garden called the tree of knowledge of good AND evil. OPPOSITES. Again, based on what you said, good must come from God or either its opposite, satan. And evil must also come from one, or its opposite. Personally, I'm confident both of us are certain knowledge of "good" comes from God Who is Truth and thus good's opposite, knowledge of "evil" must come from God's opposition satan who is false (unreal). One could reasonably say that the tee of knowledge of good and evil should be called the tree of death, according to the tragedy resulting from it. Additionally, a tree grew from the ground in the garden's midst called the tree of life. Two opposite trees coming from the same source? One resulting in life, the other death? According to what you wrote, this is not possible.
I agree with Alex that salvation is all inclusive.
In regards to "having a free get out of hell card", it appears you are assuming Alex and others who believe as we do, want one or even need one. There are millions in this world, past, present, and to come, who strive to do their best in loving others and selves, because they've learned through trial and error that to do so brings them joy and peace, and receive love in return. They realize that doing the opposite results in fear and guilt and chaos in their lives. It simply has nothing to do with thinking they have a free pass. Some may not even spend their lives consciously pursuing God; yet may have lived more lovingly than practicing, self proclaimed Christians. There are also some who constantly struggle back and forth, yet never give up on God. Some of these will never come to the understanding that God is Love and only Love and just plain give up. What a shame.
Hello, let's compare scripture with what I understand you to be saying. Please correct me if I am wrong in understanding your position.
God: "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23 KJV
You: It sounds like... you don't "need" or "want" God's grace and may not even need to follow Christ (be a Christian)? "In regards to "having a free get out of hell card", it appears you are assuming Alex and others who believe as we do, want one or even need one. "
God: "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:" Matthew 7:13 KJV
You: "salvation is all inclusive." It sounds like you're ignoring God or calling Him dishonest when He says that most will go to hell, that salvation is intended for everyone but most will not choose to follow Jesus and thus will go to hell. Acts 4:12
God: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 KJV
You: It sounds like you don't believe what the Bible says or don't believe God, because there is a risk of everyone going to hell. Someone must make a choice and "believe" as it says above. How someone can ignore this obvious verse I do not yet understand.
God: "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Acts 2:38 KJV
You: It sounds like you ignore the above command, that you DON'T need to repent or do anything, and that you don't even need to be forgiven? Because you assume you're already saved regardless of your actions and will be in heaven with Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and the worlds worst mass murderers dining and hanging out with them?
Do you consider yourself a Christian and can you please share what criteria you followed to believe you are one?
Adam i love ya my man...But that's not what i am saying...I'm saying just the opposite ..everybody has to go thru that Lake of fire....Nobody can escape it...Its his love for humanity
Remember Rev 21 Every sinner will have to go thru the lake of fire...Thats everybody....None righteous no not one....But that lake of fire is his wrath but also his love....Whom the LORD loveth he Chastens....Which is his baptism of the H.G. AND FIRE JUDGEMENT....Even in the natural we chastise our kids b/c we love them....If ye be without chastisment then are ye bastards and not sons....We cannot do away with his wrath simply b/c its his love...Thats y he wants to pour out of his spirit on ALL FLESH...Its his judgement but also his love.
Isaiah 12 :1...Thou was angry with me ( his wrath ) but now i am comforted....H.G. BAPTISM OF FIRE...Which is that lake of fire his baptism of the H.G etc....His wrath is his love....As our God is a consuming fire...He is that lake of fire...Thats y REV. 20:15 is saying if any man was not found written in the book of life....That book that he wrote with his own blood at calvary....He was cast into the lake of fire ...I love it...As our God is a consuming fire....ty Jesus...Thats y Jesus was saying i come to bring fire on the earth...The lake of fire is God...The 2 nd death....John said when i saw him i fell at his feet as dead
Thats y he said every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire...Its simply his wrath that results in the baptism in the lake and fire Which is his love for humanity....Whom the lord loveth he chastens.... Hebrews 12 :6
It wd make God a hypocrite if he applied the curse and the stain of adam to everyman no exceptions, mind you....But not apply the blood and blessing of that 2 nd adam Christ Jesus to everyman...No exceptions....Thats y he wants to pour out of his spirit on ALL FLESH...Which is indicative of all... everybody....Thats y Jesus is saying if i be lifted i will draw all men unto me...N.C. IS ALL INCLUSIVE.
In case you are wondering about my previous message to you , if you are wondering about my beliefs I do believe the same as you , that not all are saved , that doesn't mean that I agree with the way you put things . So I was not defending or aligning with them and their doctrine .
I was wondering who you are addressing in your post. It is confusing. If you state in your salutation whom you are speaking to, that would be very helpful to those reading and who are involved in the thread you are posting to. Just a friendly reminder.
Regarding who someone is replying to, on my screen it says the person's name then "In Reply" and when I click it it shows the person it replied to. So, on my screen it seems clear who its to, just that they aren't indented enough sometimes, but the main confusing aspect on my end is if someone writes a different name than who the person is replying to.
I am aware that the name appears in one's account under replies.
Yet, it is still helpful when someone starts out their post with the name of the one they are addressing because those of us reading can then know who is conversing. But thanks for the info.
Hi GiGi, I was referring to the normal comments page we're probably looking at right now, not in an account. I'm using a laptop and maybe looks different. God bless.
Whatever method you have been using in not only this thread, but others that you have responded to GiGi, that is working, and I think that is what she might be saying. I have followed your posts for about 5 years now and they almost always begin with just "hello" or "hi."
What GiGi was saying makes a lot of sense. If a post begins with just hello, it is difficult to know who the person is speaking to, unless of course they are only one replying to a post.
Please know that I am not telling you that it is wrong to just begin your posts with hello without typing the name of who you are speaking to, and I am not telling you how to post, but it does make it easier when we see a name in there, such as you did each time you were responding to GiGi.
I completely agree with what you are saying about addressing the person by name at the beginning of their post. There are many of us who always do so (you always do), and then there are some who very rarely mention the person by name who they are speaking to which causes us to try and figure it out.
I just read through this entire thread ,and as you say, it can be confusing trying to figure out who is talking to who. But to be fair, Mel8 is not the only one in this thread that never once used any person's name at the beginning of their post. If I may ask, how did you know that Mel8's characterization was referring to Adam if Mel8 didn't mention Adam by name?
Again, I agree with you that it is much easier following along in some of these threads when we address the person we are speaking to by their username. So yes, your reminder is appreciated, but maybe that reminder should be to everyone in this thread.
There is no reason for you to apologize. After I messaged you, for some reason the Lord put it on my heart that I should not have sent that to you. But by that time, I figured you probably already read it so I left it alone. Actually, I probably deserved to be smacked in the back of the head for that one, but you are much too kind for that. I wish there was a way I could have just sent that to you but unfortunately this website does not allow us to do so.
There is a website called Godvine that used to have an open forum just like this one, but they shut the forum down. On that forum, we could message just one person if we chose to do so. We would never know the person's email address.
What we would be able to do is create a profile, and in our profile there would be a message box. If someone posted a message in your profile, the website would automatically send you an email telling you that someone sent you a message and you were the only one who would see the message, and you could reply to just that person.
I sort liked that. Plus I liked the fact that no one's email address was ever shared. All we would see is the username of the person who sent the message to you.
But I guess there can be both good and bad in that!!!
Honestly , I can't see any good in that . Maybe I'm a very cynical person , I just don't see why we would need to say something in private , about the Bible , that we can't say on this public forum . What would I want to say to someone on here that I couldn't say in front of everyone ? For many years at my congregations weekly Bible class , women were not permitted to speak . I was kind of irked by this when I first joined , after I'd been there for a long long time , they decided to change the rules and let women speak . I never say one word . So now I feel bad for not speaking because everyone else , men and women , think that I'm passing a negative judgement on them by not speaking . If I had been speaking I know that I would have embarrassed myself but even worse I would have embarrassed others . So , despite the fact that I know my silence annoys everyone else , I'm keeping my mouth shut . I just think that if you can't say what you want to say to all of us , why ? Why can't you say it in front of all of us ? Luke 8:17+18 and Luke 12:2+3 .
Brother Jesse. I have deleted posts before. You need to go back to your account page & then to your discussion history. At the header of the post you want to delete, there's an 'x'. If you press that, it will be deleted. I don't know how long the post can be visible before the delete option will work.
And it would be good to have a PM (personal message) function as well, as some other Sites have.
Thank you for sharing this. I actually discovered how to do this last week. I had posted something that was shared with me (The 7-Steps of a Jewish Wedding) but shortly after I deleted it. But prior to last week, I had no idea that we could delete our own posts. I have seen in some threads where it said comment deleted but I alway assumed it was the moderators on this site that were removing them.
But I do thank you for your thoughtfulness in sharing this with me. Blessings to you my brother!
Hello Jesse, I have been thinking about that sort of messaging capability for this site so that people can communicate a private message. Perhaps the admin will develop this for this forum. Many times I have wanted to do this, but there isn't such a device yet for this site. Not everything we wish to say should be in an open forum like this, as some things are best lfet to private conversation or just not said publicly.
...And this is the reason that Jeremiah saw ALL men in travail and birth pains Jeremiah 30:6...Everybody is gonna be bornagain in the end....27 times the prophets saw this world in travail and birth pains....Thus the whole creation waits for the manifestation of the sons of God....The Children of Promise... the remnant of his brethren...an Israel of God...The babes and sucklings that are gonna be born to humanity via his precious seed ...Simply b/c that GREAT PROMISE was that Christ wd be multiplied as the stars of Heaven...This New Covenant is All inclusive...Thats y John saw a number that no man cd number standing b/f the throne of God...clothed with white raiment...They were all washed in the blood of the lamb....
......When he fed the multitudes he didn't cull not 1 single one of them...he fed them all with a childs lunch the Child being symblolic of the H.G....The manchild that is gona rule ALL NATIONS with his rod of iron....Not only did Moses rule all Israel but he fed all Israel with his glorious Rod...We gotta keep in mind that while we were yet sinners Christ died for us...Thats indicative of everybody... Romans 10:20 And i was found of them that sought me NOT and made manifest unto them that asked NOT after me...Thats indicative of everybody...If i be lifted up I will draw all men unto me...The lords arm is not too short to save ALL
I pray this along with you.
Amen.
When I reply to someone I press on the reply icon in that individual's post. Perhaps this is an incorrect procedure? Nevertheless, is it not obvious when I begin my reply "Hi Adam", that I'm primarily responding to "Adam" and of course to anyone else who has the free will to read it? As I review this thread, I don't see any of my replies addressed to "Alex". Nor did I intend to. Again, it would be helpful, as I AND GiGi have friendly suggested, to address specifically who one is primarily responding to, so that there is no confusion.
Also, please consider your recent reply to me. You said, "And yes, when someone signs their name at the bottom that has the word God in it as if they might be associating themselves with God or claim they are a deity, that seems very risky and worth mentioning." Personally I don't see this to be true. When I say "GOD IS", I have no intention of MEANING "from me, God". How absurd. By the way, in this thread alone you twice ended with "God bless' and once with "God be with you". I don't perceive this at all meaning that you are insinuating you are God or a god of some sort. But it seems as though you do. You may want to reconsider.
It is the Holy SPIRIT that perceives my heart and motives. That's all I need to be concerned with; not anyone else's. It is not MY function to judge the hearts of others. I will never find freedom in that. If I imprison the Christ in anyone, I do so to myself,and would be my own jailer. Who is Christ, except God's Son as He created Him. And what are you, except the Christ in you. Nothing else. What a release and joy it is to see ONLY the Christ in YOU; and even Hitler, Mao, and Stalin. You can appreciate the Sonship only as One, because God is One. This is the Vision of Christ.
God bless you
God be with you
GOD IS.
Is it not obvious I did choose to address your response to me? My post began with "Hi Adam." I always begin my replies by addressing the name of the person I'm intending the response towards. It appears you said, "Hello, I see you (me, I think) chose not to respond to my post to you," Only an hour after your response to me! I do have other obligations other than responding and commenting on this site. I'm sure you understand.
Additionally, I have no idea what you are saying about calling myself "one name" and then signing off having the name of "God" in it. If someone ends their post with "blessings" or "peace", etc., do you take it as "that" being their name? I'm baffled. Does ending my posts with "GOD IS" offend you? I prefer to think it doesn't, but I'm not sure. Just to be sure you don't think I use a different call name other than "One eighty", I promise in the presence of the Holy Spirit, I don't. I won't, unless I inform others I have changed the name.
Respectfully, I would ask others on this site that we would always address others by their call name when REPLYING so as not to cause confusion as to whom they are specifically speaking to. For example, I'm not sure who Mel8 was specifically addressing her comments/replies on this particular thread.
You said,"I (meaning you) didn't follow much of what you (I) wrote." and, "You (I) said let's return to your post, but you responded to someone else." Adam, I clearly addressed it to you, "Adam". I'm sorry you didn't follow it, yet I agreed with your assessment of opposites with gladness.
If some of my points SEEMED inaccurate to you or lacked clarity in my intent or point, perhaps it's because you're in denial of the obviousness in what I stated. I'll try again: God is Life. This is true. Thus, it is false He is death. Death MUST result from "satan", who is false. Both cannot be an effect of both sources. Nether SOURCE can have ANYTHING in common. Can I be clearer?
Peace,
GOD IS
And yes, when someone signs their name at the bottom that has the word God in it as if they might be associating themselves with God or claim they are a deity, that seems very risky and worth mentioning. God knows your heart and motives. Have a nice day.
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Yes, lies do originate from satan and wants people to be deceived, as you say. He does wrap lies up in clever fallacies and false assumptions. What better way to deceive than to cleverly wrap opposites in which one must be false and the other true and attribute it to a single source, specifically God. Are you going to deny God is Love? Of course not. Surely the statement must be true and come from God. Are you willing to push the OPPOSITE of truth which is fear and hate which are synonymous, onto God? It appears so. Yet, you yourself said that to do so is satan's signature!
If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if God OPPOSES Himself and is divided , He cannot stand. His end has has come. Impossible. A divided mind cannot communicate. Satan is divided. God is One; If one is real, the other must be false. God is Spirit. Flesh is of an opposing false source; there is no compromise between the two OPPOSITES, one being real, the other false. Imperfection is from satan. God creates only holiness; for what is real always denies its OPPOSITE, making the opposite non-existent. God is consistent. Satan non- consistent; The truth of what is from God always makes the falsity of its opposite perfectly clear. Need I go on?
Love is incapable of any exceptions. Only if there is fear does the idea of exceptions seem to be meaningful. Exceptions are fearful because they are made by fear. Not God. Not Love.
Yes, to believe opposites can coexist does sound exactly what Satan would say.
And no, I don't need God' grace. I already have it, just as you do.
By grace I live.
By grace I am released.
By grace I give.
By grace I will release.
Grace is God's Answer to all despair, for in it lies the remembrance of His Love. Would He not give the means by which His Will is recognized?
Peace,
GOD IS
What you are saying about opposing ideas as one being real and the other not is very similar to Gnostic thought. Perhaps you might read about this and see if you indeed align with their ideas that spirit is real (and good) and matter/flesh is not real or good.
Gnosticism has been refuted and rejected within the church since the days of the apostles.
Please know that I continue to pray for you and many others on this site as well as for myself, that we will all come to know what is really true about God, His Word, and eternal plan so that we can mature in faith and worship Him truly by the Holy Spirit's guidance. I pray that we are given strength to walk in obedience and love for His will.
I would venture to say there are ideas in Gnosticism which have commonality with most religious faiths, including Christianity. Yet, i'm not an authority on this type of study. I'm confident that you have better understanding regarding this than I or most of us on this site, at the present time.
My goal is to pursue, understand and have the Vision of Christ, realizing I can only obtain this by listening to the Voice for God whether it be through Jesus or my brothers and sisters whom God created. Honestly, it matters not to me what symbol others want to pin on my thought system. My only concern is that it evolves into perfect love for my Heavenly Father, Jesus, my self and you. I've realized for myself that if it expresses fear, hate, harm, any form of unforgiveness, condemnation, damnation, guilt, etc.,
then it obscures the light, peace and love in which I was created for such purpose. Not one poor soul will convince me that my Creator created me and you for any other purpose or that there is anything that exists or doesn't exist that can usurp His power to keep any of us safe. These are the words He silently, peacefully and ever so patiently speaks to my mind. I am no longer afraid of God, as I was for most of my days on this earth. I'm at the point where I can no longer deny His call to teach only Love. I still stumble, but I'm learning of my free will to allow Him to pick me up. I would have never before thought how easy that would become for a child who was wandering in such deep darkness and depression. It just keeps getting better.
Peace,
GOD IS
A lot of things the Word of God teaches, is refuted by the church, what do you think the woman that rides the beast with the mind of a whore means.
That why one has to study and let the Spirit teach.
Ezekiel 14:9 And if the prophet be deceived when he hath spoken a thing, I the Lord have DECEIVED that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand upon him, and DESTROY HIM (the carnal mind, which is deceived) from among the the midst of my people.
WE are a NEW CREATION, LIFE by the SPIRIT, Spirit (LIFE) cannot be destroyed or die, only the CARNAL MIND can; and MUST, to be DESTROYED.
God Bless YOU!
I am not sure why you have asked me the question you did in this post. I don't really have a sure idea about the woman on the beast, to be honest. So, until I am more sure, I don't care to comment.
Concerning the consistent refutation and rejection of Gnosticism in the church, I believe this is one they got right. Gnosticism in the early church times saw the spirit as good and the flesh as evil, so they could not believe that Jesus actually took on flesh to save us. And so they believed that one is saved by receiving "higher knowledge" (gnosis) not from the Scriptures, but from spiritual experiences.
1 John 4:3 says that those who say that Jesus did not come in a flesh and blood body is antichrist.
The church over the centuries have consistently attested that Jesus is the only Savior. This is also correct.
The church over the centuries have consistently believed that Jesus was born of a virgin and conceived by the Holy Spirit, and that is correct according to Scriptures, too.
I could go on and on, but these few can demonstrate my point. I have more trust in the witness of the church concerning how to interpret the Bible that those who believe that they themselves can interpret by themselves alone the meaning of Scriptures, supposedly by the Holy Spirit. The heart is deceptive. That is why we need the witness of others.
For the record, I do not take the opinion of another concerning their own private interpretation of Scripture as valid on face value. I usually find that those who denounce the witness of the church over the centuries believe many false ideas about what Scripture means.
But thank you for responding. I always appreciate that.
I don't think there is but a FEW ON THIS FORUM that think THEY INTERPRET the scriptures, but rely on the SPIRIT for interpretation.
Those FEW: rely on the doctrines of their church for interpretation. I think you spend more time reading the doctrines of the church, than seeking the HIDDEN truths of scripture. How many hours every day do you spend in studying the prophesies, how are you going to understand the NEW, if you don't know what was prophesied. Without studying Ezekiel, Isaiah, Daniel, and all the others, you can't understand the third that are killed in the lake of fire in Revelation, by the brimstone (symbolic), being the word's that come out of God's mouth, just as the two edged sword (is a symbol of the words) that comes out of his mouth. God's word are JUDGEMENT, by rightfully dividing those words, we are judged by his words, and if your are judged NOW by those words, you want be judged with the WORLD:
1 Corinthians 11:31 For if we would judge ourselves (NOW by God's words), we should not be judged.
At the second resurrection (when the kingdom is back on the earth) you are either going to be a JUDGE, or your going to BE JUDGED.
Paul was one of the last to pen God's word; He SAID, after I am gone grievous wolves shall come in and deceive the church, you don't believe that those (in the church) after Paul departed; deceived, through their doctrines, the church, even though John, who wrote after Paul, wrote by the Spirit of God those word's in REVELATION, Satan, who has deceived the WHOLE WORLD.
Who is Revelation written to: THE CHURCH, the WOMAN riding the beast, with the mind of a whore, is God's CHURCH, and Christ said come out of her my people and let this mind (the word's of God) be IN YOU as it was in CHRIST JESUS.
Look at all the things Christ wrote to the seven churches to COME OUT OF.
This is written IN LOVE, I hope you take it as that.
God Bless YOU!
But anyways, Ruby, I would appreciate if you will not evaluate me and my relationship with God and His Word so negatively. You do not know me and I do not know you. We can judge what we speak concerning the word, but not whether one is doing things rightly in their private relationship with God. Your comments about me give off an air of superiority. Even if you say you mean well, (and I believe you) how you described me was offensive.
I am not questioning you relationship for God, I can see your love for God and I know his love for you and all mankind.
I was trying to make you understand how we can get bullheaded about the doctrines of the church and not repent of the doctrines that oppose God's word.
I saw this in my on mother, we would study the bible and be discussing certain scriptures and I would say the scriptures are saying thus and thus and she would always respond, well the church says it doesn't mean that, I will stay with the churches doctrines, the pastor says it doesn't mean that, I will believe what the pastor says.
She went to her grave for the doctrines of the church rather than repenting of those doctrines and believing God's words.
I know she loved God also, and God loved her, and she is saved as you are saved, she just never matured in the word.
I want bring this up anymore, it's between you and God, and his work.
I never meant any of my words as any condemnation; your not condemned, but loved.
I will fall back on what Paul said:
Philippians 1:18 What now? notwithstanding, either way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, and will rejoice.
God Bless You, and I do love you.
Thanks for explaining you viewpoint more. I don't think I need to repent of any doctrines that have been long held by the church as long as they align with Scriptures. The body of Christ is a communion going back to the first Christians.
There have been so much input along the way from so many different believers over the centuries. What I value is the consistent message of the faith passed down since the apostles. Those alive today are part of those who share this message as well.
If you don't wish to look back at those contributions, that is your prerogative.
Considering the thoughts of those on this forum is the same as considering what has been spoken through the centuries. We should always compare what we hear or read to Scriptures.
None of us have perfect doctrine nor do we interpret Scripture perfectly even as the Spirit helps us. We are all fallible. But we are journeying closer and closer to the Truth, who is Jesus, and we become more an more like him.
Ruby, I don't mind exchanging ideas with people here. It is very helpful to me. But I do not criticize people who gain understanding from teachers such as pastors, evangelists, writers (past or present). So I don't think it is appropriate to call out someone who seeks information in places other than Scripture. We all do that in some way or another. But some, like you, on this forum have a real negative bias against the witness of the church through the centuries and those writers who struggled with spiritual matters and presented their findings in writing.
Anyway, we do not need to discuss this further unless you again call me out for gaining insight from researching. I do not need to repent of this and you are wrong for assuming I am stubborn-minded, as you implied. And I do not think it is your job to get make me understand. God is at work in me as He is in you. We will come to the full measure of truth as God leads us in the way He feels is best.
Again, thank for responding.
In this one you call yourself one name, then sign off with a name having "God" in it. I'm not sure if you intend to call yourself God, but it seems close to that. That's not something I'd expect to see from a Bible believing Christian.
I didn't follow much of what you wrote. You said let's return to your post, but you responded to someone else. Some of your quotes seemed inaccurate, adding to the lack of clarity of what your intent or point was.
I see that you clarified your statement in claiming you don't need God's grace by saying because you believe you already have it.
I personally don't believe grace is fully realized until judgment day after this life which scripture says we all must face. Matthew 12:36 and 2 Corinthians 5:10. It seems popular for people to claim that they're saved and don't need to do anything else. Besides the obvious risks previously mentioned, I don't know of any scripture in the Bible saying you're immediately saved and done. I see several verses saying it in the future tense, however.
Examples:
1 Peter 1:5 - "...salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." Does this say salvation will be revealed NOW, or in the last time?
1 Cor 9:24-27 "run the race", not the 'race was already won.'
Matthew 24:13 "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." Does this say he does NOT have to endure, because you're already saved? Or does it say you're saved NOW, so you don't need to endure? Or does it say what it says: "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved."
Hebrews 10:36 "For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise."
Does this say you DON'T need patience, because you're already saved? Or the opposite?
Do you have any examples of scripture saying you're saved now and won't face judgment day like it says all will face?
I wish to defend Adam from your assessment of him. He is passionate about the truth, that is not an aggressive trait. He is willing to defend the truth firmly, that is what Paul did in his letters and conversations with others. Adam is discerning about error. That is a good thing. He is courageous enough to speak plainly to the error he reads on this forum. That is an admirable trait.
There are many on this forum that believe we should all just get along. But that is only if we are in harmony with the word of God. I understand that some may be disturbed and offended by those of us who speak in an outright manner. But please remember tat there are those of us who are disturbed and offended by the promulgation of error and the dishonoring of God in these errors just as much as those who are upset by forthright refutation of error.
Mel8, it is good to be kind and loving to brothers and sisters in Christ on this forum. But that does not mean that refuting error is unkind or unloving to others here. Adam consistently represents Bible teachings in a truthful way. We all can learn much from him. This is a forum for discussion of Scriptural topics. One cannot expect that everyone will simply be milk-toast and tolerant of views that contradict Scriptural truth in order to be non-offensive. I hope you can understand this point of view as I do understand yours.
Why do you assume the ones teaching on this forum; and those teaching, refute the doctrine of the church, are in error, and not the church being in error.
That's a stretch:
Isaiah 6:8 And I (Christ, he is the WORD(s) that are written) heard the voice of the LORD (my Father) saying, Whom shall I (the Father) SEND? and who will go for us? Then said I (Christ), here am I, SEND ME.
Isaiah 6:9 And he (the father) said, Go (Christ), and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, BUT UNDERSTAND NOT, and see ye indeed, and PERCEIVE.
Matthew 13:13 Therefore I speak to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they UNDERSTAND.
Most in the church will tell you the WORD is not a parable, nor believe it is a parable, so why do you think their doctrines are correct, when they don't believe the WORDS OF GOD.
God sent Jesus to be the saviour of the world, and his RESURRECTION saved the world, the church doesn't believe this, you have said yourself most go to hell,:there is going to be a kingdom, back on this earth, when God raises the UNBELIEVERS (even Satan believes there is a God, he just doesn't believe the WORDS of GOD) back to their flesh, and they will bow and confess GOD'S WORDS ARE TRUTH.
You don't believe you fall into this pigeon hole, because you believe the DOCTRINES of man instead of God's words, Revelation SAYS: Satan who deceives the WHOLE WORLD; this includes his church, you don't believe the church is deceive, can you point to the time God caused you to SEE this deception. Until you AGREE with God, that you and I and everyone one else has been deceive, and ASK God to open your eyes and HIM CAUSE you to see, you will be among those spoken of in John:
John 9:41 Jesus is saying unto YOU: If you were blind you would have NO SIN: but now you say I SEE (you day, I haven't been deceived) therefore YOUR SIN REMAINETH.
This is written in LOVE:
God bless YOU!
And
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Let's return to your post in which I originally responded to. Your question in the first paragraph: "Is it likely that God wants you to defy him and do the opposite of what He says, or is it more likely that satan wants that? This sounds exactly like what satan would say." I agree.
By your question and following statement, I'm confident that what you believe God says or wants is true, and is the opposite of what "satan" says or wants, which of course would be false. I agree. And based on this, the following is also true: truth cannot have an opposite, for if what is true is not true as well as what is true, then part of truth is false, and truth has lost its meaning. Nothing but the truth is true and what is false is false. Also, some synonyms for "false": unreal, lies, untrue, illusion, fake, phony, non-existent, drama, fantasy, dreams, etc. - definitely not from God.
Your second paragraph; last sentence: "Satan's signature is usually on pushing opposites of the truth, starting from the garden of eden." Once again, I agree.
So, let us start with the Garden of Eden myth where someone made a tree to grow out of the ground smack dab in the middle of the garden called the tree of knowledge of good AND evil. OPPOSITES. Again, based on what you said, good must come from God or either its opposite, satan. And evil must also come from one, or its opposite. Personally, I'm confident both of us are certain knowledge of "good" comes from God Who is Truth and thus good's opposite, knowledge of "evil" must come from God's opposition satan who is false (unreal). One could reasonably say that the tee of knowledge of good and evil should be called the tree of death, according to the tragedy resulting from it. Additionally, a tree grew from the ground in the garden's midst called the tree of life. Two opposite trees coming from the same source? One resulting in life, the other death? According to what you wrote, this is not possible.
see pg. 2
I agree with Alex that salvation is all inclusive.
In regards to "having a free get out of hell card", it appears you are assuming Alex and others who believe as we do, want one or even need one. There are millions in this world, past, present, and to come, who strive to do their best in loving others and selves, because they've learned through trial and error that to do so brings them joy and peace, and receive love in return. They realize that doing the opposite results in fear and guilt and chaos in their lives. It simply has nothing to do with thinking they have a free pass. Some may not even spend their lives consciously pursuing God; yet may have lived more lovingly than practicing, self proclaimed Christians. There are also some who constantly struggle back and forth, yet never give up on God. Some of these will never come to the understanding that God is Love and only Love and just plain give up. What a shame.
God: "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" Romans 3:23 KJV
You: It sounds like... you don't "need" or "want" God's grace and may not even need to follow Christ (be a Christian)? "In regards to "having a free get out of hell card", it appears you are assuming Alex and others who believe as we do, want one or even need one. "
God: "Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:" Matthew 7:13 KJV
You: "salvation is all inclusive." It sounds like you're ignoring God or calling Him dishonest when He says that most will go to hell, that salvation is intended for everyone but most will not choose to follow Jesus and thus will go to hell. Acts 4:12
God: "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." John 3:16 KJV
You: It sounds like you don't believe what the Bible says or don't believe God, because there is a risk of everyone going to hell. Someone must make a choice and "believe" as it says above. How someone can ignore this obvious verse I do not yet understand.
God: "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Acts 2:38 KJV
You: It sounds like you ignore the above command, that you DON'T need to repent or do anything, and that you don't even need to be forgiven? Because you assume you're already saved regardless of your actions and will be in heaven with Hitler, Mao, Stalin, and the worlds worst mass murderers dining and hanging out with them?
Do you consider yourself a Christian and can you please share what criteria you followed to believe you are one?
God bless.
Remember Rev 21 Every sinner will have to go thru the lake of fire...Thats everybody....None righteous no not one....But that lake of fire is his wrath but also his love....Whom the LORD loveth he Chastens....Which is his baptism of the H.G. AND FIRE JUDGEMENT....Even in the natural we chastise our kids b/c we love them....If ye be without chastisment then are ye bastards and not sons....We cannot do away with his wrath simply b/c its his love...Thats y he wants to pour out of his spirit on ALL FLESH...Its his judgement but also his love.
Isaiah 12 :1...Thou was angry with me ( his wrath ) but now i am comforted....H.G. BAPTISM OF FIRE...Which is that lake of fire his baptism of the H.G etc....His wrath is his love....As our God is a consuming fire...He is that lake of fire...Thats y REV. 20:15 is saying if any man was not found written in the book of life....That book that he wrote with his own blood at calvary....He was cast into the lake of fire ...I love it...As our God is a consuming fire....ty Jesus...Thats y Jesus was saying i come to bring fire on the earth...The lake of fire is God...The 2 nd death....John said when i saw him i fell at his feet as dead
Thats y he said every sinner will have their part in the lake of fire...Its simply his wrath that results in the baptism in the lake and fire Which is his love for humanity....Whom the lord loveth he chastens.... Hebrews 12 :6
It wd make God a hypocrite if he applied the curse and the stain of adam to everyman no exceptions, mind you....But not apply the blood and blessing of that 2 nd adam Christ Jesus to everyman...No exceptions....Thats y he wants to pour out of his spirit on ALL FLESH...Which is indicative of all... everybody....Thats y Jesus is saying if i be lifted i will draw all men unto me...N.C. IS ALL INCLUSIVE.
I was wondering who you are addressing in your post. It is confusing. If you state in your salutation whom you are speaking to, that would be very helpful to those reading and who are involved in the thread you are posting to. Just a friendly reminder.
Regarding who someone is replying to, on my screen it says the person's name then "In Reply" and when I click it it shows the person it replied to. So, on my screen it seems clear who its to, just that they aren't indented enough sometimes, but the main confusing aspect on my end is if someone writes a different name than who the person is replying to.
I am aware that the name appears in one's account under replies.
Yet, it is still helpful when someone starts out their post with the name of the one they are addressing because those of us reading can then know who is conversing. But thanks for the info.
Whatever method you have been using in not only this thread, but others that you have responded to GiGi, that is working, and I think that is what she might be saying. I have followed your posts for about 5 years now and they almost always begin with just "hello" or "hi."
What GiGi was saying makes a lot of sense. If a post begins with just hello, it is difficult to know who the person is speaking to, unless of course they are only one replying to a post.
Please know that I am not telling you that it is wrong to just begin your posts with hello without typing the name of who you are speaking to, and I am not telling you how to post, but it does make it easier when we see a name in there, such as you did each time you were responding to GiGi.
Thanks Adam.
I completely agree with what you are saying about addressing the person by name at the beginning of their post. There are many of us who always do so (you always do), and then there are some who very rarely mention the person by name who they are speaking to which causes us to try and figure it out.
I just read through this entire thread ,and as you say, it can be confusing trying to figure out who is talking to who. But to be fair, Mel8 is not the only one in this thread that never once used any person's name at the beginning of their post. If I may ask, how did you know that Mel8's characterization was referring to Adam if Mel8 didn't mention Adam by name?
Again, I agree with you that it is much easier following along in some of these threads when we address the person we are speaking to by their username. So yes, your reminder is appreciated, but maybe that reminder should be to everyone in this thread.
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I was not trying to single out Mel8. So I apologize if it seemed to be that way.
There is no reason for you to apologize. After I messaged you, for some reason the Lord put it on my heart that I should not have sent that to you. But by that time, I figured you probably already read it so I left it alone. Actually, I probably deserved to be smacked in the back of the head for that one, but you are much too kind for that. I wish there was a way I could have just sent that to you but unfortunately this website does not allow us to do so.
There is a website called Godvine that used to have an open forum just like this one, but they shut the forum down. On that forum, we could message just one person if we chose to do so. We would never know the person's email address.
What we would be able to do is create a profile, and in our profile there would be a message box. If someone posted a message in your profile, the website would automatically send you an email telling you that someone sent you a message and you were the only one who would see the message, and you could reply to just that person.
I sort liked that. Plus I liked the fact that no one's email address was ever shared. All we would see is the username of the person who sent the message to you.
But I guess there can be both good and bad in that!!!
And it would be good to have a PM (personal message) function as well, as some other Sites have.
Thank you for sharing this. I actually discovered how to do this last week. I had posted something that was shared with me (The 7-Steps of a Jewish Wedding) but shortly after I deleted it. But prior to last week, I had no idea that we could delete our own posts. I have seen in some threads where it said comment deleted but I alway assumed it was the moderators on this site that were removing them.
But I do thank you for your thoughtfulness in sharing this with me. Blessings to you my brother!
So, good minds think alike, Jesse!
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